New Guitar Day

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Lathspell
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So much blue!!!
Quincey P. Morris
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All the blue.

Hell, I have this on my watch list because it's $219 even though the description says the upper frets are "a roller coaster ride" and the action is set really high to avoid fret buzz. If it was a string through bridge instead of the pins I'd have already bought it.

Quincey P. Morris
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PRS just announced a new CE SE model. They did a similar version of their US CEs that were a few hundred dollars cheaper as well. This one check in at $499.

https://prsguitars.com/electrics/model/se_ce_24_standard_satin_2024
maroon barchetta
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I wondered where my cousin got that pic of the charcoal satin he was texting me today.
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Alright I am wanting to look for a teacher to mentor me and push me in my playing.

Me - bass player, 23 years playing. Fluent in numbers and basic theory. Know my major/minor scales and modes.

Ideally, I would like someone who has experience teaching and the ability to pick me apart and put me back together.

My goals would be to get to a point where I am a first call type player and branch out from the pop/rock/country styles.

I know this isn't necessarily the place for this but figured I would ask if anyone here can help or knows anyone.

Located in BCS, in Houston mid week every week and will happily do virtual lessons. TIA
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This is a great place for it. Frankly you sound way more well versed than me. You almost sound like your best bet would be to go to open jams.
maroon barchetta
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Stop in at Thorne Music and talk to Geoff Zercher. Tell him what you are looking for and see if he will take you on as a student and be able to help you.

It sounds like something he could do.
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Cartographer said:

Alright I am wanting to look for a teacher to mentor me and push me in my playing.

Me - bass player, 23 years playing. Fluent in numbers and basic theory. Know my major/minor scales and modes.

Ideally, I would like someone who has experience teaching and the ability to pick me apart and put me back together.

My goals would be to get to a point where I am a first call type player and branch out from the pop/rock/country styles.

I know this isn't necessarily the place for this but figured I would ask if anyone here can help or knows anyone.

Located in BCS, in Houston mid week every week and will happily do virtual lessons. TIA


Zoom lessons are available at Tunelark.com. Pick your instructor. Pick your time.
Cartographer
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Thanks for the responses. I am going to go to Thorne tomorrow to check in on that route. If not, might go to Tunelark.

I appreciate the recommendations! And I do think I need to get to some open jams... I just don't know where to find them
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So I definitely have an issue with the neck pickup. I noticed it was quieter when I played through my iPad, but turning up the volume on my amp, no matter how much, doesn't bring it up on the clean channel. You can at least hear it ok on the OD. Lots of buzzing too. Not sure if my extensions didn't work well or what.
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Cartographer said:

Thanks for the responses. I am going to go to Thorne tomorrow to check in on that route. If not, might go to Tunelark.

I appreciate the recommendations! And I do think I need to get to some open jams... I just don't know where to find them
If you're on Facebook, there's a Houston Open Mic group that is decently active, with spots all around the city and suburbs. You might join there and see if you see any that are convenient for you, some are more busy/well-attended than others, really just depends on what you're looking for. There's a pretty great open mic at Dan Electro's in the Heights on Tuesday nights where there is a full band setup, and you can get up and play. But many other options, that one has a good crowd though usually. Good luck!

Houston Open Mic Group
Us And Them - The Pink Floyd Experience
http://www.usandthemband.net
maroon barchetta
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This was linked on the Prog Rock thread.

A cruise to hear prog rock bands.

But wait!! You can also sign up to play prog rock songs of your choosing with other attendees.

Check the lineup section about The Grid. A lot to look at in there. Pretty fun idea, but they don't want any bad players up there!

https://cruisetotheedge.com/
TX AG 88
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Hey guys, need some advice.

I'm basically just piddling with my guitar. I need to learn to practice in a beneficial way. I have some exercises I got off YouTube (spider,etc) and mess with playing scales, but mostly I just try (with middling success) playing songs by following Marty Music and the like on their lessons of songs I like. Things like She Sells Sanctuary, Nobody's Fault But Mine, Oh Well, Bombtrack, so far. I tend to get the opening licks down (still novice but recognizable) but then I get lost somewhere and move on to another song, frustrated. I'm not expecting to get solos down right now, just the majority of the songs. I took a couple of lessons from a guy, and he said something I liked - I teach techniques, not by accumulation. I just didn't feel like that was actually happening, so I put lessons with him on the back burner.

I feel like I could make some progress if I had a better framework or routine for practicing. Maybe I'd get to a place where I could get more benefit from in-person lessons, whether with that same guy or someone new.

Can y'all recommend a book or series of videos or something that would help make my practice more focused and beneficial? Thanks!
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I haven't tried any online lessons other than Marty Music, JustinGuitar, Angela Petrili, and others just teaching songs.

Each week I take a lesson with an instructor. We work out of a rhythm book and a soloing book. From time to time he throws a song in to learn so we can apply some of what we just covered in the books. Or if he just feels like it and thinks I need a breather from chords and scales and exercises.

What we have covered in the books makes it much easier to pick up a new song.

You could go with the Beato Bundle that has his interactive course. Or Tim Pierce has courses out that the other guitar YouTubers like. Rhett Shull as well.

Whatever route you go, try to practice every day. I notice when I take days off.

Some of the more experienced players here will have actual useful advice!
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For me, learning guitar has to start with a base of loving to play guitar. You have to find joy in playing even the simplest songs to actually continue to get better. I bring this up because I have always found learning songs to be the best way for me to learn guitar. I am able to learn to play something I love and can always jump into when I am just enjoying my guitars. I feel like I am accomplishing something. If you are learning songs you love and are ultimately giving up, then why are you not finding joy in learning those songs? How will focusing your effort in learning scales, chords, and arpeggios be more enjoyable?

My first question would be what you consider your current level of guitar playing to be. Are you a beginner or intermediate player? Going from beginner to intermediate is not too difficult to offer advice on. Going from Intermediate to very good is something else, entirely.

After that, my next question would be: What is your goal? Are you wanting to be able to play certain songs? Are you wanting to be able to jam with a band? After becoming an intermediate guitar player, there are so many ways to improve your guitar playing skills, and I think you would need to share with your guitar instructor what you are looking to accomplish from the lessons.

I would consider myself an intermediate player. At my current skill, I can work out and play the songs I want to learn to play. I will especially focus on learning songs with new chord variants I'm not used to, or intricate arpeggios that sound fresh. For solos, i'm not the quickest player and would have to really lean some specific techniques to play faster, but don't really see the need to work that hard on it because the music I love doesn't require me to play that fast.

For example, listening to Rhett Schull's video for their cover of Great Gig In the Sky really made me want to learn the chord progression because that had been the first time I'd heard it played on the guitar. I found a video on the chords, because there are some strange ones there, and learned it. From that point, I focused on trying to understand why those chords were chosen and how they interact with each other. This has always been the way I have attacked music theory. It is infinitely more fun for me than how my piano teacher made me start on page 1 of a scales, chords, and arpeggios book back when I was 9
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I was in the same boat, but really didn't have time to drive somewhere for an in person lesson. So I started Zoom lessons on Tunelark.com. I've loved it. Real lesson plans with a real person from the comfort of my home.
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That Great Gig In The Sky video is pretty fun.
Sea Speed
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Bought a vintage 70s Conn acoustic guitar at an estate sale for 60 bucks. Gonna get it restrung and take lessons with my daughter.


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Damn my phone camera refuses to focus on the things I want it to focus on
TX AG 88
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I definitely consider myself a beginner, but I guess I'd say "beginner plus". I took lessons as a kid, and was taught to read notes (every good boy does fine, face) and to make chord shapes in the first position. I never really used the former, except to play "Skip To My Lou" at a recital two weeks into lessons. After that, I strummed chords and played country (-ish) songs. Lukenbach, Texas; You Never Even Called Me By My Name; various Eagles tunes, etc. I think I was 9 or so when I started and 11 or 12 when I gave it up.

I never learned anything about music theory, scales, or any other techniques. I learned to "transpose chords" so I could play songs that weren't already keyed in C or G. I guess I knew that a key consisted of the I, IV, V chords, but that's the extent of my music theory learning. I can still form G, C, and D (my go-to chords back in the day) pretty quickly, but I have to place one finger at a time on most of the other 3-or-more note chords.

My goal/expectation is to be able to learn most MODERATELY difficult songs (i.e. I don't expect to EVER master "Cliffs of Dover," etc.) and learn to get the tone/sound down pretty well, given access to adequate effects. I can't imagine getting involved with a band or doing anything on stage, I just want to play for my own enjoyment and perform for family/friends in a home setting.

I probably would still be taking lessons from the guy I started with if the holidays/travel hadn't forced some time off, followed by a close family member's illness and death over Jan/Feb. It was hard to think about playing/practicing with all that going on. I'm ready to get back into it, and I just kind of want to learn more about what a "good practice session" looks like. My teacher, in a 1 hour lesson, would have me do something for a few minutes, then have me do something else, and say "do that" for practice. But my recall of the exercises was very imperfect, and practicing at home, I just felt like i was randomly picking things I remembered and doing them with no ORDER to them and not much clear connection between them. If I do go back, i'll insist on a written practice guide/plan for me to use until the next lesson, but I feel like a free agent right now, so I want to see if you guys can turn me onto something self-paced that I might latch onto better. If any of that makes sense...

I appreciate y'alls advice in the past, and thank you in advance for whatever else you're able to suggest.
maroon barchetta
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Where are you located?
TX AG 88
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between San Antonio and New Braunfels
maroon barchetta
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And you're not interested in lessons in-person with and instructor?
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Oh and if anyone is unfamiliar with those conn guitars like I certainly was, they were made in Japan in the 70s. This guy complied a fair bit of info on them. I cant read the stamp on mine but the owner was very wealthy so I dont imagine it was the cheaper versions.

https://www.connguitars.org/
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maroon barchetta said:

And you're not interested in lessons in-person with and instructor?


I'm sorry, I guess I rambled too much and didn't really express my challenge/frustration well.

I am looking for some guidance on how to find/borrow/develop a practice routine or framework that makes some logical sense and maximizes the benefit of the time spent playing. Just like building a house, you lay the foundation, then on top of that you frame the structure, then come in and finish the plumbing/wiring, etc. In my practice time so far, it's like I would pour a bucket of cement, then go frame a door, then pull some wires. It was kind of at random and disconnected. I want to have some meaningful structure to what I'm doing.

I'm not NOT interested in an instructor, if someone has someone they really want to recommend. I tried one guy and I found a weakness in our rapport, I guess you could say. Before going back to the well and trying to fix that, I was wondering how you guys manage to get into productive practice routines? Does it TAKE an instructor, or did y'all find a book or video series that brought order to the chaos for you? I'd like to get a little further down the path with some self study (if possible) and then pay for lessons when I have enough knowledge to ask for specific help with specific things. Does that make sense?
TX AG 88
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And I apologize for bending this thread to my own issues, but hopefully the discussion will be beneficial to others in the beginner phase? I won't hijack for too long, I promise.
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Fender has an app you may want to check out. Lessons for all types and levels of music. You can learn songs or learn scales or just pick a "level" that you feel you're at and follow along with the instructor. I haven't personally used it but I've heard and read really good things about it and their song catalog is always growing.
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No worries! This is the guitar thread. You're in the right place.
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For me, I need some place I'm not going to be bothered.

Usually that's after 8pm or even 9pm on weeknights. Our garage is insulated and climate controlled so I go there most of the time. Sometimes I practice in the house.

Weekends can vary. I tend to do chores and errands early so I practice later but if I go to the office on weekends I'll take a guitar and try to practice there, depending on how much I have to do at work.

Lately, I've worked on rhythm exercises, soloing exercises/techniques, and whatever song I'm working on. If I have one of those down really well, I'll only spend a few minutes on it and move on. I spent two hours on a song this weekend. I wasn't getting it down as fast as I wanted.

Dedicated space and time for practice is big for me.
maroon barchetta
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Also, Ultimate Guitar is a helpful site. Tons of songs with tabs. Articles. Videos other players have uploaded.

It's worth the subscription price to me.
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For online lessons with specific focus on different genres, techniques, styles, etc., I've had good luck w/ True Fire. Now it's like anything else, you have to use it and commit, but there are a *ton* of great players with courses on there, and (IMO) a lot of interesting ones. Something to investigate as an option at least.

True Fire Online Lessons
Us And Them - The Pink Floyd Experience
http://www.usandthemband.net
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+1, they've added so many features over the years, it really is the most comprehensive tab site out there. I too subscribe and agree it's worth it!
Us And Them - The Pink Floyd Experience
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Good information. I can tell you about my journey and give you an example of how I learn, but this may be a TL;DR. I'm just rambling here, but I love talking about guitar.

My Journey

I've never taken a guitar lesson in my life. I took about 4 years of piano lessons from 9-13, so didn't get into too much theory. I do come from an extremely musical family, so have a natural ear for music and the type of family that always walks by when you are playing to offer advice and tips. When I was 14 years old, I asked my mom for a guitar and was gifted a Squire Strat pack with an amp and guitar. For the next 6 months or so, I tried to learn some songs but never really learned enough to call myself a beginner. I would just struggle to hold down a simple power chord and move it around.

About 2.5 years later, I received a call from my cousin telling me he had borrowed our aunt's bass guitar and he had learned some Green Day songs that weekend, and he wanted to play them for me over the phone. This was 2004 and American Idiot had just released. I immediately rolled my eyes at the idea of my cousin actually playing a song I knew, having just started playing around with the bass. He proceeded to play American Idiot and Holiday for me, over the phone, and it blew my mind that his playing actually sounded like the songs. Sure, there was a lot of fret buzz and I'm sure it wasn't very smooth, but I was extremely impressed. I immediately told him I had a guitar and we should get together to play. Simply hearing my cousin play these songs on bass gave me the drive to learn to play because it no longer seemed like an obstacle I couldn't overcome.

I went over to stay with him that weekend and we proceeded to learn multiple songs from that album. That was some of the most fun I had ever had up to that point, working through guitar tabs and learning how to play my power chords and move my hand up and down the neck to actually make some music with my cousin. I'm sure my aunt and uncle got sick of hearing American Idiot and Holiday over and over.

From that point, it became something we would do at least every other weekend. In between our jam sessions, we would work on more songs and then I would go over to his place and we would play those damn 4 power chord songs for hours. We continued with this for the next year and a half before I left for A&M.

While at A&M, as with many of my friends, my music discovery started going backwards instead of what was playing on the radio. Popular rock was waning and I started soaking up classic rock like a sponge. This was when my love for Zeppelin started to grow, as I pirated all those albums (18 yo me). I started wanted to learn those songs now, which were much more complicated and pulled me out of my power chord comfort zone.

I tell that anecdote to illustrate that the best way I have found to learn to play guitar has been to learn songs I love. Simply sitting down and playing scales is the most boring thing in the world. Is it helpful to get better? Of course. Should you learn where every note on your fretboard is? Of course. But those are things to learn to move from Intermediate guitar player to very good guitar player.

Right now, make guitar a joy in your life. It should make you happy.

My Recommendation

Fair warning: I am not a guitar instructor, so take anything I say with a grain of salt. I'm just telling you what worked for me. Also, the benefit of an instructor is they can critique every aspect of your playing that you may not recognize. For example, are you fretting your strings to heavily, causing your chords to be too out of tune.

First of all, your guitar should always be out on its stand. Your guitar should NEVER be in its case unless you are traveling somewhere with it. You should see the guitar as you go about your day, and you should want to go pick it up every time you see it. I've never smoked before, but I feel like my compulsion to pickup my guitars every time I see them must be what it's like to want to take a drag on that cigarette as a smoker.

If you can afford a guitar you really like the look of, then you should buy that guitar. We get a lot of questions over what guitar is great for a beginner. The answer is any guitar that makes you want to pick it up and play it.

What would I recommend? Pick a song to learn. Don't go picking some ridiculously hard song or some song that an instructor wants you to learn. I have a friend who was learning guitar last year, and her instructor was picking all these songs that she had no interest in learning, and she never showed much excitement in going to her lesson. I asked her what she would want to learn to play and she said Sweet Home Alabama. I told her then that's the song she should learn.

If you can learn a song with someone else, it's more fun.

Once you learn the song, then take the time to understand what you just learned. What key is the song in? Why are those chords in that order? Was there a solo? Why were those notes for the solo chosen? After learning the solo, recognized the shapes. Many rock songs are just playing around a pentatonic scale in various positions. Understand which position you are in during each part of the solo and it will help you understand the rest of your fretboard so much better.

It may sound cliche, but I think Stairway to Heaven is one of the best songs for a beginner to learn how to play, and it's one that taught me so much about playing guitar (just don't bust it out in a music store. Stairway to Heaven should only be played in the privacy of your own home).

This is the exact process I go about when learning any new song, and it is how I've learned to play guitar:

Know the key of the song. Stairway is in Am, so you get to learn a lot of very common chords. The pentatonic scale for that key is also in easy-to-remember positions as you are working on those shapes and learning how the pentatonic scale works. The beginning of the song starts with a fantastic descending chord progression played in arpeggios. This teaches you fingering of different chords, variations of chords, and the technique of individually picking notes in a chord (arpeggios). Being able to pick a string you want to pick, and making sure no other string makes a sound is a foundational technique in guitar playing. This must be learned, and you should play whatever song you are learning over and over until you can mute the strings you don't want played, effectively.

After completing the descending scale, you then have to immediately slide back up to repeat the progression. This whole process will teach your fingers importantly positions for muscle memory, but will also help with the speed at which you move between chords..

The second phase gets into strumming. You lean to strum some of those chords, and then you also learn very important lessons on chord voicing. There are measures in the second part of the song where, in order to sound like the recording, you realize you need to strum upwards and not even play the lowest root or 5th of the chord. This is very important in teaching you different voicings of chords.

As you play this section, and every other section, it's also important to listen to what you're playing. One of my favorite things I have ever seen on guitartube is in a MusicIsWin video where he is teaching his wife how to play Brain Stew on the guitar. She proceeds to play some things he shows her, then looks at him and asked if that was correct. His response was, "does it sound correct?" That question may sound tongue in cheek, but it highlights one of the biggest issues I see with so many people. Don't focus on simply playing a song. Actively LISTEN to what you are playing. Does it sound like the recording? No? Then find out why. Sure, Page is playing an Em chord. However, when you play an Em chord, it sounds nothing like page. So what is he doing differently? What inversion of Em is he playing? How is he strumming the chord? Which string in is he muting?

The next part of the song is the solo. This will take time to work through, but it is worth it when you finally do. Break off one measure at a time. Learn your bends. Learn your shapes. Learning to bend notes a full tonic is extremely important. Again, listen to what you are playing. I'm heard many people who must think they know how to bend, but they are always flat because they haven't practiced enough to understand where that tonic is.

After working through the solo (which may be the last part you actually learn) you then get to the last section of the song, which is straight up power chords. Root, 5th, and octave. Everyone needs to be able to hammer out some glorious power chords. You do not play the 3rd when playing a power chord. The 3rd muddies the chord and you lose the "power".

Every technique I have learned on guitar has come from learning songs. I learned my power chords from Green Day. I learned my arpeggios from Stairway and Simple Man. I learned to solo with my pentatonic scales and how to transition between positions from Stairway and Hotel California. I can go on and on across all the songs I've learned in my life.

Every other song I learn I always try to take something away from. If you have questions on certain songs as you are learning, bring them to this thread and I'm sure many of the posters would be more than happy to provide some feedback. NGD thread is the least toxic on this forum, and everyone is happy to help.

Anyway... enough of my rambling. I need to get back to work.
TX AG 88
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That was awesome guys! Thanks for the recommendations and encouragement! Gig'em!
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TX AG 88 said:

That was awesome guys! Thanks for the recommendations and encouragement! Gig'em!


If you get in the market for a new guitar, or a used guitar that is new to you…

One of the things I have seen posted on this board over and over is don't skimp on a guitar. Buy one that you like to look at, but make sure it feels and plays great (unless you don't get to try it first because you bought it online).

The other good advice I've taken is don't own multiple cheap guitars. Combine the money for those and get one really nice guitar that you can't wait to pick up and play.

A kid I see in GC often has five Player Strats and an Epiphone Les Paul and a couple other guitars. And when he stops in the store to noodle, he is grabbing more Player Strats or a Sterling or a Kramer Pacer or a Jackson Dinky.

Kid could have an American Ultra Strat or a PRS Core model or a higher end Ibanez or Schecter or something and lots more room to store stuff. I can't imagine where he keeps all that gear!

Try to get your hands on as many models as you can to see what neck feels good to you.
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