The Star Wars prequel trilogy is horrifyingly bad. Three of the worst movies in the history of cinema in my opinion. I'm sure not all of you agree with that last statement, but I think everybody at least agrees they are all three really, really bad.

Is there any chance Disney says "ok, everybody just ignore those and pretend they never happened," and then takes a complete mulligan and does an entirely new, different prequel trilogy? Obviously it would keep the core story of Anakin turning evil and the rise of the empire.....but nothing else has to be the same.

Think about the possibilities. No gungans or jar jar binks. No pod racing. No ****ing midiclorians and immaculate conception. No queen waste of screen time, I mean, Amidalla. Better actors and no cardboard characters. Better dialogue. Maybe an actual BELIEVABLE plot and political maneuvering by the future emperor....or just do away with the political storyline altogether. A BELIEVABLE Anakin who is actually a likeable guy, and you actual feel the tragedy when he falls to the dark side. I could go on and on.

How could anybody not be in favor of this? Thoughts?

I'm hoping they do this with the sequel trilogy as well. Both need redos.

Just leave it alone and start from scratch using basic canon material for the old republic. You have endless Jedi and sith character potential, as well as many others. You have a galactic war. You also don't have ties to existing movies.. so you can lay out a long term plan.

Dear god just let the skywalker saga die. Lucas and Disney have beaten the dead horse enough.

Let's go way into the past with the birth of the Jedi and sith or the old republic or way into the future into unknown territory.

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Dear god just let the skywalker saga die. Lucas and Disney have beaten the dead horse enough.

Let's go way into the past with the birth of the Jedi and sith or the old republic or way into the future into unknown territory.

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While I really don't care about any characters other than the original ones, this is a great idea.

tv1113 said:

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Dear god just let the skywalker saga die. Lucas and Disney have beaten the dead horse enough.

Let's go way into the past with the birth of the Jedi and sith or the old republic or way into the future into unknown territory.

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This. The Star Wars universe is incredibly rich, and yet we've only seen main line Skywalker movies, a prequel to episode IV, and another prequel to episode IV.

I like the approach The Mandalorian is taking, although I haven't seen a minute of it yet.

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tv1113 said:

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Dear god just let the skywalker saga die. Lucas and Disney have beaten the dead horse enough.

Let's go way into the past with the birth of the Jedi and sith or the old republic or way into the future into unknown territory.

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This. The Star Wars universe is incredibly rich, and yet we've only seen main line Skywalker movies, a prequel to episode IV, and another prequel to episode IV.

I like the approach The Mandalorian is taking, although I haven't seen a minute of it yet.

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Honestly, I think everything after the original Star Wars trilogy is pretty much garbage, but I like the Mandalorian a lot. It has a really old school original Star Wars feel to it even if the writing is questionable from time to time. Highly recommended.

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The Star Wars prequel trilogy is horrifyingly bad. Three of the worst movies in the history of cinema in my opinion. I'm sure not all of you agree with that last statement, but I think everybody at least agrees they are all three really, really bad.

Is there any chance Disney says "ok, everybody just ignore those and pretend they never happened," and then takes a complete mulligan and does an entirely new, different prequel trilogy? Obviously it would keep the core story of Anakin turning evil and the rise of the empire.....but nothing else has to be the same.

Think about the possibilities. No gungans or jar jar binks. No pod racing. No ****ing midiclorians and immaculate conception. No queen waste of screen time, I mean, Amidalla. Better actors and no cardboard characters. Better dialogue. Maybe an actual BELIEVABLE plot and political maneuvering by the future emperor....or just do away with the political storyline altogether. A BELIEVABLE Anakin who is actually a likeable guy, and you actual feel the tragedy when he falls to the dark side. I could go on and on.

How could anybody not be in favor of this? Thoughts?

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I think the Kathleen Kennedy led trilogy is the worst, even worse than the prequels.

When I watched all the movies again this year, I felt that the prequels were better than the sequels.

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tv1113 said:

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Dear god just let the skywalker saga die. Lucas and Disney have beaten the dead horse enough.

Let's go way into the past with the birth of the Jedi and sith or the old republic or way into the future into unknown territory.

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This.

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The Star Wars universe is incredibly rich,

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and yet we've only seen main line Skywalker movies, a prequel to episode IV, and another prequel to episode IV.

I like the approach The Mandalorian is taking, although I haven't seen a minute of it yet.

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You are fake news. The star wars universe is smaller than the wire's Baltimore.

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The Star Wars prequel trilogy is horrifyingly bad. Three of the worst movies in the history of cinema in my opinion. I'm sure not all of you agree with that last statement, but I think everybody at least agrees they are all three really, really bad.

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Disagree with the bolded.

Compared to ANH/TESB, the prequels are not nearly as good. Neither are any of the sequels. ROTS is the best of the PT as it most closely resembles the OT. But your bolded statement seems to be so assuming that because YOU believe something to be true, then obviously EVERYONE else must agree with YOU. But it doesn't work that way.

I've seen some truly bad movies in my time. The prequels are not in that group.

What was the deal with the mitochondrians? Jedi my left foot

Do something new.

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When I watched all the movies again this year, I felt that the prequels were better than the sequels.

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To each their own, but disagree there.

While we can look at story issues in both (you know what makes for a compelling story? CSPAN in space!) the new trilogy really nails the feel that much of the prequels didn't hit IMO.

The look and feel, the overall tone, etc., all just feel very "Star Wars", most noticeable in TFA for me. The prequels just missed too often there, so much of them feels overly digital and forced.

There's still some great scenes tucked in there, but I'll take this last trilogy any day.

The dialogue in the prequels is so cringeworthy. Horrific. It kills all of them. Plenty of plot issues too, but the dialogue takes it to a level where I'm just embarrassed for the actors. I thought VII and IX were so much better, although VIII has joined Rocky V in my vault of movies I'll pretend never got made.

The last Jedi is by far the worst installment of Star Wars.

Cmon people it's why the rise of skywalker is off to a slow start in the theaters ( for Star Wars anyway).

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The Star Wars prequel trilogy is horrifyingly bad. Three of the worst movies in the history of cinema in my opinion. I'm sure not all of you agree with that last statement, but I think everybody at least agrees they are all three really, really bad.

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Disagree with the bolded.

Compared to ANH/TESB, the prequels are not nearly as good. Neither are any of the sequels. ROTS is the best of the PT as it most closely resembles the OT. But your bolded statement seems to be so assuming that because YOU believe something to be true, then obviously EVERYONE else must agree with YOU. But it doesn't work that way.

I've seen some truly bad movies in my time. The prequels are not in that group.

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Pretty much agree.

TPM is essentially unwatchable for me sans Maul.

AOTC, gets pretty darn good in the middle with the asteroid field scene and once Anakin arrives on Geonosis.

ROTS, while not perfect, is pretty darn good SW in my opinion.

This current trilogy is much worse than the prequels. Granted I was 7 when Phantom Menace came out so the OT was just some old movies my dad watched. But I don't think they're as bad as the internet says they are. This new Disney monstrosity on the other hand should never have been made.


I'm officially turning into my father.

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This current trilogy is much worse than the prequels. Granted I was 7 when Phantom Menace came out so the OT was just some old movies my dad watched. But I don't think they're as bad as the internet says they are. This new Disney monstrosity on the other hand should never have been made.


I'm officially turning into my father.

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I'm going to go and guess I'm probably as old as your dad but I agree...these recent movies are just fine...entertaining and visually appealing but have no where near the draw of the original ones. This is just fine. They serve their purpose.

Maybe in the far away future, but I doubt anytime soon. They've got a huge universe to play with. Tho I would add a wrinkle in there, Disney is not afraid to remake whatever they can to make enough $$$ off it.

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The dialogue in the prequels is so cringeworthy. Horrific. It kills all of them. Plenty of plot issues too, but the dialogue takes it to a level where I'm just embarrassed for the actors. I thought VII and IX were so much better, although VIII has joined Rocky V in my vault of movies I'll pretend never got made.

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As an example, Babu Frick would've been borderline unbearable as a prequel character but he was a whole lot of fun in TROS.

The characters in the prequels still put the characters in this recent trilogy to shame.

We got to see a young obi wan kenobi and a young anakin skywalker. I know Natalie Portman was kinda robotic but at least she was very pretty. Darth maul was a bad ass, despite the fact that he only had 3-4 lines. The character was so mysterious, it was always in the back of your mind "what is he going to do?" His lightsaber scene didn't disappoint.

I think the plot is much better too. We got to see why and how the thriving Jedi temple in episode 1 and 2 got turned into a pile of rubble. We got to see how anakin became darth Vader.


The characters in this most recent trilogy are a bust by comparison. The most recent trilogy relies on way too many characters from the original Star Wars ( Leia, Luke, Han Solo, Chewbacca, Lando and even palpatine).

The only new characters that I like are Rey and fin. Everyone else is pretty much a bust.

This recent trilogy doesn't even come close to measuring up with the prequels. Of course, the original trilogy is 5-10 times better then the prequels. They should have kept George Lucas on board, he's 10 times better than Kathleen Kennedy when it comes to major movies. I will give her some credit for the mandalorian tho.

The prequels are an abomination.

Think about these few examples and it's hard not to agree.

1 - Anakin accidentally destroys the trade federation ship while randomly pushing buttons.

2 - Dooku hires an assassin to kill Padme, and the assassin only fails via bad luck and dumb plans. Palpatine's whole long term strategy depends on turning Anakin and his feeling for Padme is the key to that, but yet his number two man is trying to kill her? It would undermine his whole long game.

3 - within minutes of pledging loyalty to Palpatine, Anakin is murdering children... so instead of getting three movies showing a character develop, we get this instant change? And worse is that it makes no sense when seen in conjunction with the clone wars cartoon that shows Anakin as a good guy with a padawan of his own.

And I forgot that apparently having the high ground matters a great deal in lightsaber battles...

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Dear god just let the skywalker saga die. Lucas and Disney have beaten the dead horse enough.

Let's go way into the past with the birth of the Jedi and sith or the old republic or way into the future into unknown territory.

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This.

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The Star Wars universe is incredibly rich,

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and yet we've only seen main line Skywalker movies, a prequel to episode IV, and another prequel to episode IV.

I like the approach The Mandalorian is taking, although I haven't seen a minute of it yet.

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You are fake news. The star wars universe is smaller than the wire's Baltimore.

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I will not suffer these insults from an abominable ghola!

Agree on 1 and 3.

As for 2, my assumption would be that Palps' plan A was to assasinate Padme, and channel that anger/rage to further tempt him to the dark side. Maybe help him try to find the person responsible.

the only ones worth a darn are

4 5 6 and Rogue One

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The Star Wars prequel trilogy is horrifyingly bad. Three of the worst movies in the history of cinema in my opinion. I'm sure not all of you agree with that last statement, but I think everybody at least agrees they are all three really, really bad.

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Disagree with the bolded.

Compared to ANH/TESB, the prequels are not nearly as good. Neither are any of the sequels. ROTS is the best of the PT as it most closely resembles the OT. But your bolded statement seems to be so assuming that because YOU believe something to be true, then obviously EVERYONE else must agree with YOU. But it doesn't work that way.

I've seen some truly bad movies in my time. The prequels are not in that group.

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Pretty much agree.

TPM is essentially unwatchable for me sans Maul.

AOTC, gets pretty darn good in the middle with the asteroid field scene and once Anakin arrives on Geonosis.

ROTS, while not perfect, is pretty darn good SW in my opinion.

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UrbanAg,
Among friends when constantly going over it, a consensus has built that TPM is first and foremost crippled by spending so much time on the 10 year old Anakin --- that's the kind of thing that usually makes up only the earliest segment of a movie, then you get on on with it. Going out of the way to copy Ben Hur's chariot race did not make up for the loss of opportunity to develop the setup the movie was trying to do. Thrilling as that was. It almost creates a situation where you only have four hours to tell the story rather than six.

Agree with AOTC, and the finale is fantastic -- the transition from Republic to Empire so clearly visible even before Palpatine takes full power. And AOTC has some interesting news sets and capabilities introduced. ROTS is something like this one just out (TROS) ---- it is trying to do a lot in a compressed time period -- -and does it very well actually despite some notable flaws. Pulls it off better than TROS does imo, but of course AOTC was not a shipwreck to recover from like TROS was trying to do.

I could watch many Bothans die to secure information on Death Star II.

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I could watch many Bothans die to secure information on Death Star II.

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Which brings to mind their other option --- do stories set in the period between ROTS and ROTJ --- if you are familiar with the better comic adaptations like the Al Williamson art ones of the 80's ---- or the actual novel and graphic novel (it even generated a soundtrack) "Shadows of the Empire" era. But since those would involve re-casting the classic cast --- that's probably a non-started unless they risk entirely different characters and stories

ROTS would have been a great movie, but two things killed it and left it on "campy" territory.

1. Grievous. Stupid character that belonged in a cartoon. Even when he had some decent scenes.. the stupid coughing killed it.

2. Death Vader nooooooooo. Had he summoned the nearest lightsaber or force pulled a bu ch of metal scraps off the walls.. anything other than that ridiculously campy noooo would have been fantastic.

There are equally bad moments in both the prequels and sequels