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Sci Fi back in the day. Question for the olds

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bearamedic99
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How has mainstream culture typically been with sci fi material? It seems like people used to enjoy speculative fiction and stories of the future with the Twilight Zone and similar. I've heard Star Trek didn't gain much traction until after it was gone. Star Wars seems to gained mainstream traction that Buck Rogers and Battlestar cashed in on. But then sci-fi seems to have drifted back into the projector room.

Was sci-fi ever really that popular or mainstream as it seems these days?
Liquid Wrench
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Probably bigger in the 1950's.

-Twilight Zone is the most remembered and beloved, but there were a ton of SciFi radio and TV shows that mostly got forgotten unless you dig in and do some research

-Comic books: Before the "Golden Age" when superheroes took over comics, they were dominated by Western, Horror, and SciFi. And most of the early 1960's superheroes grew out of SciFi storylines. The story of mutant "evolution" has evolved over the decades, but the X-Men, for example, were originally the "Children of the Atom." Atomic energy was changing the very nature of our humanity!

-Paper Backs: Most drugstores and 5 and Dimes had paperback racks back in them days, and those vintage SciFi paperbacks you can find at Half-Priced Books now were on the racks in all kinds of stores back then.

-Magazines: There were fiction anthology magazines on or near those same racks in regular stores and tons of classic SciFi writers found their audiences that way.

-Last, Toys. A huge chunk of post-war toys coming out of Japan were focused on robotics and futurism.

You gotta remember, in the dawn of the space race, it wasn't just nerds thinking about things coming from or going into outer space and how technology was changing our lives, it was everyone.
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Science fiction in cinema was considered B grade crap until first 2001 came out, but then Star Wars blew the doors open and legit iced the genre. Close Encounters as the first fast follow though. You also had ET a half decade later, Superman not long after, among others.

But semi side rant on Star Wars,...no one who wasn't alive then will ever fully appreciate the phenomena that was the original film, and how it changed pop culture, cinema, brought sci fi mainstream, revolutionized FX etc. Just for emphasis on that, the film opened Memorial Day weekend, dominated the box office all summer, and its largest box office weekend that year was Labor Day. When they announced the end of the run the following year July (over a year in theaters), in had its biggest box office weekend yet the last week as people rushed to see it one more time, and so they ran it another four months.
It was the first film with action figures that I remember, the first to have devoted fans like it had, the first to spawn its own industry etc. it did a tad bit more than "Gain traction".
Cinco Ranch Aggie
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Up until 2001: A Space Odyssey, science fiction was considered B-grade entertainment at best. I'm speaking mainly about movies, but I think that would also apply to things like TV shows and comic books as well.

The 50s were known for science fiction movies. Big critters - THEM! or Godzilla come to mind. Extra-terrestrials as a lightly veiled stand-in for communists in movies like The Thing From Another World. The Day the Earth Stood Still. The War of the Worlds. The Blob. IT - the Terror From Beyond Space.

In the 60s we got our first science fiction movies that I'd consider efforts to mainstream the genre in the aforementioned 2001 but also in Planet of the Apes.

The 70s brought a more dystopian look at our future via science fiction movies in efforts like Mad Max, Logan's Run, and Silent Running. Star Wars (which I really don't consider to be science fiction but more fantasy) was the movie that mainstreamed the genre. It was not dystopian, but it was gritty, it looked like a real place, all of that. And the previous post about the true impact of Star Wars is very much the truth. That movie was a cultural landmark. It did have literally a year-long + run in its first theatrical run. It did launch an entire industry of toys and games that had actually been done to a certain extent previously with 12" action figures from Planet of the Apes, but those never took off like the Star Wars toys did. Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Alien, and Star Trek - the Motion Picture I believe solidified science fiction as a legitimate, mainstream genre of movies.
Duncan Idaho
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Don't forget that almost all of the sci-fi movies before star wars were political commentaries on the Cold war American fear of communism and nuclear war
Zombie Jon Snow
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oragator said:

Science fiction in cinema was considered B grade crap until first 2001 came out, but then Star Wars blew the doors open and legit iced the genre. Close Encounters as the first fast follow though. You also had ET a half decade later, Superman not long after, among others.

But semi side rant on Star Wars,...no one who wasn't alive then will ever fully appreciate the phenomena that was the original film, and how it changed pop culture, cinema, brought sci fi mainstream, revolutionized FX etc. Just for emphasis on that, the film opened Memorial Day weekend, dominated the box office all summer, and its largest box office weekend that year was Labor Day. When they announced the end of the run the following year July (over a year in theaters), in had its biggest box office weekend yet the last week as people rushed to see it one more time, and so they ran it another four months.
It was the first film with action figures that I remember, the first to have devoted fans like it had, the first to spawn its own industry etc. it did a tad bit more than "Gain traction".
^THIS

I've said similar many times.

You cannot imagine the cultural impact and change from Star Wars. It was like a complete awakening for me and for the genre.

Prior to that Sci Fi was either too adult and confusing like 2001 or saucer on a string level ridiculous and robot costume stupidity, or terrible sort of claymation with miniature sets like Godzilla. Planet of the Apes was considered sci fi too then but it had several lame sequels by then with budgets getting lower and lower...... borderline sci fi at best but it had some big audiences too but it was not the cultural impact that SW was.

It was so bad I actually went to Star Wars kicking and screaming figuratively (I was 11). I lived in S. Korea until July of 1977 and we had not heard about Star Wars over there yet - no international release back then. on the military base we got movie 9 months after the states had them and SW had not arrived of course as it was only 2 months old. I didn't yet know of any kids that moved over and had seen it either. It was never even mentioned to me until....

My parents said it was supposed to be so great and took me and my sister to it the 2nd day we were back in the states - outside Vegas visiting my grandfather.

It was such a mind blowing experience I could not even comprehend how great what I just saw was - I immediately demanded to see it again and again and again.....they refused to do it immediately but we went the next day again. And ^he mentioned the long run up above - for the next year plus I saw it 25+ times in the theater. Not an exaggeration. I saw it multiple times off base with new friends when we moved to Leavenworth. And over the next year plus on a weekend if we had nothing else going on we would go to a matinee showing on the base - we could get in for 50 cents and a coke and popcorn was another 25 cents and 50 cents respectively.

It was all kids talked about for like a year solid - all the action figures, comics, books, lunch boxes, costumes, etc. it became a complete phenomenon.We were totally obsessed. And I recall it being the first movie where it was known there would be a sequel early on and we were so pumped about that - reading anything over the next 2-3 years that came out about it.

Liquid Wrench
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Just realized your OP question was for "the olds;" didn't mean to imply I was actually alive in the 50's. My comment was just based on looking back at what was on TV, radio, and newsstands at a time when the media spectrum was smaller. And also looking at what survived to define the collectors markets.
GCRanger
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You also had The Outer Limits and Twilight Zone on TV. The music from TZ scared me as a kid and I was too young to understand the stories. I never watched the outer limits but want to now.

The original planet of the apes is one of my favorites sci-fi movies. I was born in late 70s and started watching it on weekend cinema classics on TV in the 80s.

Star Trek TNG is my favorite of the ST series and ST The Motion Picture is my favorite of the movies. Star Wars is awesome but I don't consider it science fiction. As mentioned above it's more fantasy.

Philo B 93
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bearamedic99 said:

How has mainstream culture typically been with sci fi material? It seems like people used to enjoy speculative fiction and stories of the future with the Twilight Zone and similar. I've heard Star Trek didn't gain much traction until after it was gone. Star Wars seems to gained mainstream traction that Buck Rogers and Battlestar cashed in on. But then sci-fi seems to have drifted back into the projector room.

Was sci-fi ever really that popular or mainstream as it seems these days?


What do you mean by "drifted back into the projector room"?

Also, what sci-fi is popular today? Does that include Star Wars, Star Trek, and the Marvel movies? Or are you talking about Interstellar, Arrival, Ready Player One?

It seems like most of the popular modern sci fi is using past properties. Star Wars, Star Trek, Alien, Planet of the Apes, Jurassic World, Predator, Blade Runner, the Transformer movies, and all the Marvel Movies all use characters and ideas developed from the 70s-90s.

In 20 years, they'll have to make sci fi based on popular apps of today to get the then 35 year old market. Or the can keep using Skywalkers and Avengers, I guess.
bearamedic99
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All valid points.

Back to the projector room was kind of my way of saying back to the a/v nerd club, not projector room like at a theater.

And I was referring to all these diet sci-fi/pop sci-fi movies like Marvel, which in truth are more fantasy. I'm used to seeing fantasy and sci-fi in the same section at the book store so I lump them together too often.
Philo B 93
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If you include all that stuff (Marvel etc) in sci-fi, then sci-fi is definitely more popular now than ever before. And I would say it's not going back to the projector room. When we were kids, Ready Player One would have been nothing more than nerd fodder. Now, major motion picture event.

The nerds have won! As it was foretold in the great prophecy "Revenge of the Nerds"!
bearamedic99
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Bill Gates would agree
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