Attack of the Clones was great.
Star Wars Rewatch Project: EPISODE II ATTACK OF THE CLONES
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This is the Rocky V of the Star Wars series.
In addition to all of the problems listed already, I think Count Dooku was a major issue. Dude was a boring, limp noodle Sith. To follow Darth Maul up with this mess was a travesty. They managed to make a Sith Lord boring and dull. That's hard to do.
In addition to all of the problems listed already, I think Count Dooku was a major issue. Dude was a boring, limp noodle Sith. To follow Darth Maul up with this mess was a travesty. They managed to make a Sith Lord boring and dull. That's hard to do.
I've seen all of the prequels multiple times, and I couldn't tell you with any certainty exactly what Count Dooku's role was our what he did exactly. Something about the clones I think.DannyDuberstein said:
This is the Rocky V of the Star Wars series.
In addition to all of the problems listed already, I think Count Dooku was a major issue. Dude was a boring, limp noodle Sith. To follow Darth Maul up with this mess was a travesty. They managed to make a Sith Lord boring and dull. That's hard to do.
Blatant Disregard - I'm proud to say that I was the one to turn those two posts blue
Blatant Disregard said:
Attack of the Clones was great.
I will never not laugh at that gif.
A. Solzhenitsyn said:I've seen all of the prequels multiple times, and I couldn't tell you with any certainty exactly what Count Dooku's role was our what he did exactly. Something about the clones I think.DannyDuberstein said:
This is the Rocky V of the Star Wars series.
In addition to all of the problems listed already, I think Count Dooku was a major issue. Dude was a boring, limp noodle Sith. To follow Darth Maul up with this mess was a travesty. They managed to make a Sith Lord boring and dull. That's hard to do.
His role was to do the Emperors bidding just like Maul and Vadar. The Clone Wars series provides a lot of additional background here, but he is simply enacting the Emperors plans that lead to Episodes IV-VI.
Count Dooku was leading the Separatist movement, which was the setup Palpatine needed to start the Clone Wars.
Now, one thing I've never fully understood was his reasoning for telling Obi-Wan the truth about a Sith Lord controlling the Senate. Was he trying to bring Obi-Wan to his side as his apprentice, to overthrow Palpatine? (Would be perfectly in character for a Sith) Or was there another reason?
He must have known Obi-Wan would never join him, and probably that he wouldn't believe him. But it still leaves me wondering why. Maybe he just wanted to see his reaction improvise from there.
Now, one thing I've never fully understood was his reasoning for telling Obi-Wan the truth about a Sith Lord controlling the Senate. Was he trying to bring Obi-Wan to his side as his apprentice, to overthrow Palpatine? (Would be perfectly in character for a Sith) Or was there another reason?
He must have known Obi-Wan would never join him, and probably that he wouldn't believe him. But it still leaves me wondering why. Maybe he just wanted to see his reaction improvise from there.
Yep, he's just the public face of a massive false flag operation
Did I use that term correctly?
Did I use that term correctly?
That scene with Dooku & Kenobi is a mess. I don't need it spelled out for me, but damn, I've never had a discussion with someone that completely grasped what the hell was going on there.
Didn't he directly ask him that or am I misremembering?Brian Earl Spilner said:
Count Dooku was leading the Separatist movement, which was the setup Palpatine needed to start the Clone Wars.
Now, one thing I've never fully understood was his reasoning for telling Obi-Wan the truth about a Sith Lord controlling the Senate. Was he trying to bring Obi-Wan to his side as his apprentice, to overthrow Palpatine? (Would be perfectly in character for a Sith) Or was there another reason?
He must have known Obi-Wan would never join him, and probably that he wouldn't believe him. But it still leaves me wondering why. Maybe he just wanted to see his reaction improvise from there.
Yes, he directly asked him to join him. But, I still think Dooku MUST have known Obi-Wan would never do it. He was probably the biggest "by-the-rules" guy in the entire Jedi Order, along with Yoda.
Yeah, they did a poor job of setting up his character and his role. I got the basic purpose, but I thought they did a really bad job of developing it. And using a boring old actor that looks like he should be in a prostate or ED medication commercial didn't help either. Lucas managed to take Sarumon and neuter him.
Saruman was such a badass. I'll agree he was kind of boring for Star Wars, but man did he kill that role in LOTR.
Not to mention he stabbed Nazis in real life.
Not to mention he stabbed Nazis in real life.
Christopher Lee was one of the most badass dudes in history, yet his character was a confusing bore. It speaks more to the mess Lucas made of the film than any fault of Lee's. It's a shame.DannyDuberstein said:
Yeah, they did a poor job of setting up his character and his role. I got the basic purpose, but I thought they did a really bad job of developing it. And using a boring old actor that looks like he should be in a prostate or ED medication commercial didn't help either. Lucas managed to take Sarumon and neuter him.
Dooku was a poorly developed character, but he was a potentially awesome villain. Christopher Lee is one of the all-time great villain actors, but Lucas just didn't give him much to work with.
The other thing in AOTC that always bugged me was the multiple references to someone named Sipho Dias (no idea how to spell it), yet I never got the feeling that character was fully explained other than that was apparently the character who requested the droid army ...?
I'll rewatch AOTC in the next day or so. It's been many years since I have watched it, so maybe I'll pick up on something that I never did in my previous 20+ viewings.
The other thing in AOTC that always bugged me was the multiple references to someone named Sipho Dias (no idea how to spell it), yet I never got the feeling that character was fully explained other than that was apparently the character who requested the droid army ...?
I'll rewatch AOTC in the next day or so. It's been many years since I have watched it, so maybe I'll pick up on something that I never did in my previous 20+ viewings.
20+ viewings? Poor guy.
Was Sipho Dias an alias for Dooku? I was thinking that it was, but don't really remember.
Was Sipho Dias an alias for Dooku? I was thinking that it was, but don't really remember.
I don't subscribe to the TexAg-ism that the prequels are bad.Quote:
Poor guy
20+ is just a guess, but I recall watching the hell out of that movie once it was available on DVD after seeing it in theaters probably 4-5 times.
this is what I meant earlier when I said I cant state definitively what the **** Dooku was or what he did. yeah I know he was the leader of the separatists and had something to do with the clones. but who the hell was sifo dias? was it dooku? did dooku kill him? was he made up?double aught said:
20+ viewings? Poor guy.
Was Sipho Dias an alias for Dooku? I was thinking that it was, but don't really remember.
maybe dooku was the phantom menace all along...
I wouldn't call that a "texags-ism" so much as a "general public-ism"Cinco Ranch Aggie said:I don't subscribe to the TexAg-ism that the prequels are bad.Quote:
Poor guy
20+ is just a guess, but I recall watching the hell out of that movie once it was available on DVD after seeing it in theaters probably 4-5 times.
that said, while I do think they are all a big mess, I still like watching them and they are fun.
Dooku had nothing to do with the clones. The Separatists had the droid army.A. Solzhenitsyn said:this is what I meant earlier when I said I cant state definitively what the **** Dooku was or what he did. yeah I know he was the leader of the separatists and had something to do with the clones. but who the hell was sifo dias? was it dooku? did dooku kill him? was he made up?double aught said:
20+ viewings? Poor guy.
Was Sipho Dias an alias for Dooku? I was thinking that it was, but don't really remember.
maybe dooku was the phantom menace all along...
Sifo Dyas is the Jedi who commissioned the clone army, 10 years before AOTC. (ie. The "good" army, up until Order 66.)
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Sifo-Dyas
Brian Earl Spilner said:
Count Dooku was leading the Separatist movement, which was the setup Palpatine needed to start the Clone Wars.
Now, one thing I've never fully understood was his reasoning for telling Obi-Wan the truth about a Sith Lord controlling the Senate. Was he trying to bring Obi-Wan to his side as his apprentice, to overthrow Palpatine? (Would be perfectly in character for a Sith) Or was there another reason?
He must have known Obi-Wan would never join him, and probably that he wouldn't believe him. But it still leaves me wondering why. Maybe he just wanted to see his reaction improvise from there.
Or... Maybe, just maybe... It was because the screenplay was poorly written. Not everything in SW has a specific function that was intended by George Lucas.
I enjoyed watching these movies until someone on the internet who I thought was cool told me not to....FIFY.Render said:jokershady said:holy **** im only 2 minutes in to this and im laughing my ass off....how have I never seen this????Cactus Jack said:
Obligatory:
My friend, you're about to join the legion of RedLetterMedia addicts. And God, I know I'm one.
Plinkett helped me fully realize that the people who genuinely like the prequels have the common sense and good taste of 12 year olds.
Like clockwork!
Ah, yes, the ol' people-who-dislike-the-prequels-are-just-trying-to-be-cool arguement. Never in a million years could we just not like genuinely bad movies. No, it could never be as simple as that.
I don't mean to start down this path again. I really don't, because I've enjoyed the conversation going on here so far. It's just that it's been 17 years since this movie was released, we're all 17 years older, and still seemingly NO ONE in this thread understands the plot to this movie or the motivations behind it. No one's trying to be "cool." This movie is straight up bad.
Here we go.
If ANH was released today you would **** all over it.TCTTS said:
Ah, yes, the ol' people-who-dislike-the-prequels-are-just-trying-to-be-cool arguement. Never in a million years could we just not like genuinely bad movies. No, it could never be as simple as that.
TCTTS said:
I don't mean to start down this path again.
You mean the movie that makes complete sense within the rules it sets up, is a perfect manifestation of the "hero's journey," features a genuinely compelling narrative, and introduced us to some of the most beloved and iconic characters of all time?
Yeah, I would definitely take a big fat dump all over it.
Yeah, I would definitely take a big fat dump all over it.
Wow...who knew TCTTS is secretly George Lucas!TCTTS said:
You mean the movie that makes complete sense within the rules it sets up, is a perfect manifestation of the "hero's journey," features a genuinely compelling narrative, and introduced us to some of the most beloved and iconic characters of all time?
Yeah, I would definitely take a big fat dump all over it.
Something to consider here.......doesn't AOTC also take place 10 years after TPM???Brian Earl Spilner said:Dooku had nothing to do with the clones. The Separatists had the droid army.A. Solzhenitsyn said:this is what I meant earlier when I said I cant state definitively what the **** Dooku was or what he did. yeah I know he was the leader of the separatists and had something to do with the clones. but who the hell was sifo dias? was it dooku? did dooku kill him? was he made up?double aught said:
20+ viewings? Poor guy.
Was Sipho Dias an alias for Dooku? I was thinking that it was, but don't really remember.
maybe dooku was the phantom menace all along...
Sifo Dyas is the Jedi who commissioned the clone army, 10 years before AOTC. (ie. The "good" army, up until Order 66.)
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Sifo-Dyas
Is there something there that we missed??
Rewatched it this week during my lunch. Man, I really do not like this movie. I would say it's the only one I actively hate. I know there are people that still enjoy it, and it's gifted us some great memes over the past few years. But man, it's a tough one to make yourself sit down and watch.
What I like:
The sound in this movie is phenomenal. The speeder chase through Coruscant, the asteroid seismic charges scene, the battle on Geonosis. All good scenes that felt very Star Wars-y, and the sound effects have a lot to do with that.
John Williams.
Natalie Portman.
Kamino is pretty cool, a dark, rainy, mysterious planet where clones are made. Whatever happens to them? Does the emperor bomb them after he thinks he has enough Troopers?
The Yoda/Dooku battle is fun even if it is a little over the top. Same with the battle inside the arena and the final assault when the clone troopers arrive. I'll never wrap my head around why Lucas went all crazy Roman emperor for this execution scene, but when the camera pans around to all these Jedi igniting their lightsabers, that was always a cool scene to me when I was young and it remains a bright moment in the prequels.
What I Don't Like:
Oof. Where do I start. I don't like the dialogue. At all.
The political intrigue plots don't work for me. Alright, there's a Separatist movement. I can buy that. Why though? What don't they like about being a part of the Republic? The same trade disputes from 10 years ago in the Phantom Menace? I understand Palpatine is pulling the strings to start a war and gain power, but what is Dooku's "cause" that systems are rallying behind? Is it a pure independence thing? I genuinely have never been able to figure it out.
Padme and Anakin's relationship is weird. And bad. It's so jarring to watch her tell him he'll always be the little boy from Tatooine, and that he should not look at her that way, and basically give every indication she's not into him. Then they share some crappy dialogue about sand and the next thing you know the relationship is taking off. It's a mess.
I could go on and on. I don't like the way Anakin and Obi Wan's relationship is depicted, where is the friendship and mentorship? I don't like the 15 minutes we spend watching Anakin, Padme, and 3PO going all Charlie in the Droid Factory. It's small, but you could give yourself five minutes to better explain your plot if you cut out the part where Padme discusses being a 14 year old elected queen. Seriously Naboo. What kind of backward ass bull**** is that? You can actually elect your monarchical figures and you go with a 14 year old girl? You deserved the droid invasion. I don't like the fact that Christopher Lee is a brilliant actor who steals every scene he's ever been in, yet somehow seems wasted in this movie.
What I Would Change:
I don't know. All of it. I think fixing The Phantom Menace by making Anakin a teenager when he's found, so you could actually build some romance for him and Padme into the first movie and not start from scratch in the second, would help a lot. Have him spend more time with Obi Wan and actually build that friendship, so the fall in RotS hurts all the more. Maybe even show the best pilot in the galaxy fly a little bit, you know, since the most we've seen from him is Podracing, accidentally destroying a Trade Federation ship, and piloting a speeder through rush hour traffic. Having an antagonist like Maul (Other than Palpatine) carry over from TPM would have been nice too.
Favorite Tracks:
Across the Stars (I'd say one of the best themes of the franchise)
Bounty Hunter's Pursuit
The Tusken Camp and the Homestead
Side Notes:
I've only been alive for the last 7 Star Wars movies released and I've seen all of them in theaters, except this one. I remember getting a friend to explain it to me shot for shot on the bus after school.
The Kamino level on the original Battlefront series was excellent. Clones vs. Droids fighting for bridges and platforms in the rain. Heated words were exchanged with my brothers during those games.
The good news is I'm through the hard part of this rewatch. I like/tolerate the remaining movies, and look forward to the rest of these threads.
What I like:
The sound in this movie is phenomenal. The speeder chase through Coruscant, the asteroid seismic charges scene, the battle on Geonosis. All good scenes that felt very Star Wars-y, and the sound effects have a lot to do with that.
John Williams.
Natalie Portman.
Kamino is pretty cool, a dark, rainy, mysterious planet where clones are made. Whatever happens to them? Does the emperor bomb them after he thinks he has enough Troopers?
The Yoda/Dooku battle is fun even if it is a little over the top. Same with the battle inside the arena and the final assault when the clone troopers arrive. I'll never wrap my head around why Lucas went all crazy Roman emperor for this execution scene, but when the camera pans around to all these Jedi igniting their lightsabers, that was always a cool scene to me when I was young and it remains a bright moment in the prequels.
What I Don't Like:
Oof. Where do I start. I don't like the dialogue. At all.
The political intrigue plots don't work for me. Alright, there's a Separatist movement. I can buy that. Why though? What don't they like about being a part of the Republic? The same trade disputes from 10 years ago in the Phantom Menace? I understand Palpatine is pulling the strings to start a war and gain power, but what is Dooku's "cause" that systems are rallying behind? Is it a pure independence thing? I genuinely have never been able to figure it out.
Padme and Anakin's relationship is weird. And bad. It's so jarring to watch her tell him he'll always be the little boy from Tatooine, and that he should not look at her that way, and basically give every indication she's not into him. Then they share some crappy dialogue about sand and the next thing you know the relationship is taking off. It's a mess.
I could go on and on. I don't like the way Anakin and Obi Wan's relationship is depicted, where is the friendship and mentorship? I don't like the 15 minutes we spend watching Anakin, Padme, and 3PO going all Charlie in the Droid Factory. It's small, but you could give yourself five minutes to better explain your plot if you cut out the part where Padme discusses being a 14 year old elected queen. Seriously Naboo. What kind of backward ass bull**** is that? You can actually elect your monarchical figures and you go with a 14 year old girl? You deserved the droid invasion. I don't like the fact that Christopher Lee is a brilliant actor who steals every scene he's ever been in, yet somehow seems wasted in this movie.
What I Would Change:
I don't know. All of it. I think fixing The Phantom Menace by making Anakin a teenager when he's found, so you could actually build some romance for him and Padme into the first movie and not start from scratch in the second, would help a lot. Have him spend more time with Obi Wan and actually build that friendship, so the fall in RotS hurts all the more. Maybe even show the best pilot in the galaxy fly a little bit, you know, since the most we've seen from him is Podracing, accidentally destroying a Trade Federation ship, and piloting a speeder through rush hour traffic. Having an antagonist like Maul (Other than Palpatine) carry over from TPM would have been nice too.
Favorite Tracks:
Across the Stars (I'd say one of the best themes of the franchise)
Bounty Hunter's Pursuit
The Tusken Camp and the Homestead
Side Notes:
I've only been alive for the last 7 Star Wars movies released and I've seen all of them in theaters, except this one. I remember getting a friend to explain it to me shot for shot on the bus after school.
The Kamino level on the original Battlefront series was excellent. Clones vs. Droids fighting for bridges and platforms in the rain. Heated words were exchanged with my brothers during those games.
The good news is I'm through the hard part of this rewatch. I like/tolerate the remaining movies, and look forward to the rest of these threads.
That is how I always took it.Brian Earl Spilner said:
Now, one thing I've never fully understood was his reasoning for telling Obi-Wan the truth about a Sith Lord controlling the Senate. Was he trying to bring Obi-Wan to his side as his apprentice, to overthrow Palpatine? (Would be perfectly in character for a Sith) Or was there another reason?
presumably he just keeps making stormtroopers....Quote:
Kamino is pretty cool, a dark, rainy, mysterious planet where clones are made. Whatever happens to them? Does the emperor bomb them after he thinks he has enough Troopers?
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