aTmAg said:

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I'm in my right mind and I think it's perfectly fine to talk about the politics of the people who created a show in a thread about that show. That is nothing like talking about Game of Thrones in a Better Call Saul thread.

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agree

TCTTS said:

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YES. Exactly. Thank you.

If the new Joker movie does, in fact, turn Thomas Wayne into a Trump clone just so liberals can get off on watching him die, that's utterly absurd and I'll be the first to complain, but no one is complaining about such discussion because it's (potentially) organic to the movie.

But as I've said a thousand times, we just don't need to go there in a thread about a romantic comedy, one that has no political agenda whatsoever. This doesn't have to be so black and white. Just read the damn room.

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And then you will be providing your own viewpoint dealing with the intersection of entertainment and politics. I will applaud you. I'm ok with your political viewpoints (you've had quite a few over the years). I just think you should be consistent.

aTmAg said:

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The fact that you and your cohorts are in denial highlights the need for more education within the entertainment board. I think I will spend more time here pointing out BS liberal propaganda in movies and TV. You are obviously in need of it.

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They're not in denial. That's just the game they play so that they can gaslight you with: "Dude, it's all in your head. It's just a movie" (while cramming more leftist notions into every square second of the screen play).

Cameron's treatment of Avatar was a joke. I honestly didn't know that Titanic had so many falsities incorporated into it.

As for how we treat entertainment - if the once fun-for-all NFL can be ruined by wokeness of SJW-ism I think Hollywood films can withstand a bit of that same scrutiny. We can and should allow political discourse as a minor part of the evaluation of films, music. That's my viewpoint. I hope the other side (that also does it when they feel like it) understands.

WestAustinAg said:

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aTmAg said:

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The fact that you and your cohorts are in denial highlights the need for more education within the entertainment board. I think I will spend more time here pointing out BS liberal propaganda in movies and TV. You are obviously in need of it.

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They're not in denial. That's just the game they play so that they can gaslight you with: "Dude, it's all in your head. It's just a movie" (while cramming more leftist notions into every square second of the screen play).

Cameron's treatment of Avatar was a joke. I honestly didn't know that Titanic had so many falsities incorporated into it.

As for how we treat entertainment - if the once fun-for-all NFL can be ruined by wokeness of SJW-ism I think Hollywood films can withstand a bit of that same scrutiny. We can and should allow political discourse as a minor part of the evaluation of films, music. That's my viewpoint. I hope the other side (that also does it when they feel like it) understands.

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I didn't know that Titanic had so many falsities incorporated into it either when I watched it. I, like most, fell for Cameron's statements regarding the accuracy and attention to detail. I was a huge Cameron fan and watched pretty much every movie he made.

As I have aged, I have realized more and more that liberals lie their asses off to push their views. When I saw the director's cut of The Abyss and Avatar and realized how much of a flaming liberal Cameron was, I decided to test my theory by researching Titanic. Sure enough, he lied his ass off to push his liberal view. I'm convinced that it is intentional since Cameron has been willing to admit and correct mistakes that have nothing to do with politics (such as the star field) but is unwilling to even admit the political ones (like locking the gates to keep steerage down).

Notice how none of the falsehoods in these movies tend to bias towards the right? They always bias left. If it was really about "making the story work" or "adding excitement" you would expect it to go both ways. But it never does. No way is that accidental.

You sound a bit like a conspiracy theorist. Thoughts on the Bilderberg Group? QAnon?

I know you are operating under the assumption all democratic voters want to get rid of all corporations, not just tax them at a different rate than republicans but completely assimilate or eradicate them. Operating off that belief, you've assumed Cameron is a full blood democrat and walks in lock step with all the others regarding corporations. He took heat from fellow democrats for donating to the republican party years ago, but I do agree he would be a democratic voter if he could vote in America. Coming off his obviously anti-genetic engineering and anti-technology films of Aliens and Terminator, you've decided his main goal in Titanic was to push anti-corporation viewpoints. I'm with you. Given the risks involved in $100 million budget movies, and their need to make money, it is definitely ballsy for Cameron to put agenda above entertainment, but let's be honest - it's not the fact that faceless and ominous entities such as aliens, killer robots, and large corporations prove to be reliable foils in movies, it's that he knew there was an audience out there who would eat up the agenda and fork over gobs of money to Paramount and 20th Century Fox - who are not large corporations looking to make a buck but rather democratic agencies looking to enslave Americans in public assistance programs. With Titanic, he used Daniel Buckley's unverified testimony, and the vastly different overall survival rates between passenger classes, to come up with the locked gates. Again, not looking to romanticize the story and stir emotions for entertainment purposes but only to rally the troops against corporations.

Unfortunately for Cameron, this effort backfired. The company that White Star Line merged into saw a big boost in passengers and interest, Carnival later bought them and invested nearly a billion dollars. In your Canadian Craw, James! You just enriched the evil shareholders!

You are just in denial.

Complete Idiot said:

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You sound a bit like a conspiracy theorist. Thoughts on the Bilderberg Group? QAnon?

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Nope.. no thoughts on any of those.

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I know you are operating under the assumption all democratic voters want to get rid of all corporations, not just tax them at a different rate than republicans but completely assimilate or eradicate them.

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Show where I have ever said that.

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Operating off that belief, you've assumed Cameron is a full blood democrat and walks in lock step with all the others regarding corporations. He took heat from fellow democrats for donating to the republican party years ago, but I do agree he would be a democratic voter if he could vote in America. Coming off his obviously anti-genetic engineering and anti-technology films of Aliens and Terminator, you've decided his main goal in Titanic was to push anti-corporation viewpoints. I'm with you. Given the risks involved in $100 million budget movies, and their need to make money, it is definitely ballsy for Cameron to put agenda above entertainment, but let's be honest - it's not the fact that faceless and ominous entities such as aliens, killer robots, and large corporations prove to be reliable foils in movies, it's that he knew there was an audience out there who would eat up the agenda and fork over gobs of money to Paramount and 20th Century Fox - who are not large corporations looking to make a buck but rather democratic agencies looking to enslave Americans in public assistance programs. With Titanic, he used Daniel Buckley's unverified testimony, and the vastly different overall survival rates between passenger classes, to come up with the locked gates. Again, not looking to romanticize the story and stir emotions for entertainment purposes but only to rally the troops against corporations.

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It was not only "unverified", it contradicted his own earlier testimony where he said he wasn't aware of any locked gates. Furthermore there was plenty of others who testified that they were able to walk freely from 3rd class to 1st class without any gates at all. Of course Buckley's is the single witness Cameron chooses to believe. Regarding the survival rates, that has been easily explained time and time again. It is NOT because they were intentionally locked below.

And I do not think Cameron is anti-technology. He is all about using technology in his movies. His primary agenda is the environment. He thinks everybody should be tree huggers and has a natural dislike of corporations due to their supposed raping of the environment. If anybody has doubts on his political positions, just look up his statements on Trump and that should clear it up.

Furthermore, Cameron is not putting "agenda above entertainment." True Lies was entertaining and there was no political agenda there. But his agenda is close behind on his priority list. When he can do so without jeopardizing entertainment, he takes every opportunity to inject liberal BS into his movies. Since his movies make money, the corporations that fund, distribute, etc. his movies do not care.

Remind me again what James Cameron's involvement in Juliet, Naked was? I can't find anything on IMDB.

Finally just saw the trailer. I usually dont like Rom-coms but I may have to check this one out.

littlebitofhifi said:

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Remind me again what James Cameron's involvement in Juliet, Naked was? I can't find anything on IMDB.

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Ask the person who queried about the bias in Titanic.

aTmAg said:

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littlebitofhifi said:

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Remind me again what James Cameron's involvement in Juliet, Naked was? I can't find anything on IMDB.

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Ask the person who queried about the bias in Titanic.

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Who talks like this?

PatAg said:

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aTmAg said:

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littlebitofhifi said:

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Remind me again what James Cameron's involvement in Juliet, Naked was? I can't find anything on IMDB.

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Ask the person who queried about the bias in Titanic.

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Who talks like this?

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People with IQ over 40?