Netflix - The Staircase

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Chipotlemonger
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Finished the series tonight.

Long series but the footage was really compelling and great. A good watch.
TP Ag '87
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So what are you guys thinking, overall: did he do it?

I honestly can't make up my mind, but I definitely don't think he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
Brian Earl Spilner
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I'm five episodes in and go back and forth as well.
Bunk Moreland
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I think he killed her and the woman over in Europe. I also think the prosecution botched the case in so many ways that he wasn't able to receive a fair trial.
Mike Elko
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Agree 100%. If he didn't kill either woman, he's the unluckiest man in the history of the world... Finding two women dead at the bottom of staircases years apart. What are the odds? Guilty as sin.
Jim01
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I liked it but documentaries like this frustrate me with no resolution and selective editing.

Like in the plea deal hearing they mention a contusion on her neck consistent with strangulation. WTF? Was it just me or was that never mentioned in the trial or series up until that point? That seems like a pretty big thing to leave out. I mean I leaned towards him being innocent based off her injuries. I kind of agreed with the defense that a beating didn't make sense to me on the skull and yet no fractures or brain injuries. However a throat injury may have swayed me. Why leave that out?

Also the owl theory is very interesting. It seems plausible if she indeed pull out her own hair AND had an owl feather in her hand with the hair.


Chipotlemonger
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Yes that was weird to not hear about that until the final episode
mavsfan4ever
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This whole case was extremely weird to me. I definitely don't think she fell down the stairs and died, which makes me think that the defendant was guilty. But I couldn't figure out what his motive would be and couldn't figure out how he would have killed her. There is no way that the state proved their case beyone a reasonable doubt. I was shocked by thejury verdict. Even if you think she didn't die by falling downt he stairs, the state did not come close to proving that the defendant did anything. They just came up with some wild theory about how it could have been the blow poke or some other item like that. But the skull and brain made it clear that that's now what happened.

And the fact that the lady in Germany died in similar circumstances also points to Defendant's guild. But again, there is no evidence of how she died or how he would have killed her or what his motive would have been.

I guess the owl theory makes as much sense as anything. Fascinating case.
TP Ag '87
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Yeah, the strangulation was a new one. But wouldn't that have been used MUCH more extensively by the prosecution?
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yes
Texmid
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Not sure how to do the spoiler tags, so, stop reading if you haven't seen the ending.









They also mention that there was a bloody footprint on her clothing. I think we were not shown nearly all of the evidence that the prosecution had. Remember, the filmmakers were hired by Peterson. I'm sure most of what we saw was approved by him in some way.
mavsfan4ever
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The filmmakers weren't hired by Peterson were they?. They were making a film and tried to work with and film the defense and prosecution. But prosecution shut down filming on their side. There are some interviews with the director where he talks about this. As crooked as they were, I wouldn't want anyone filming me either if I was the prosecution.
Psychag
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Whatever happened to Deaver? He should be held accountable for his actions.
Jim01
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It is also mentioned online in the owl theory that some of her blood was outside. That's never mentioned either in the film.
Andyzipp
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Texmid said:

Not sure how to do the spoiler tags, so, stop reading if you haven't seen the ending.









They also mention that there was a bloody footprint on her clothing. I think we were not shown nearly all of the evidence that the prosecution had. Remember, the filmmakers were hired by Peterson. I'm sure most of what we saw was approved by him in some way.
Pretty sure that Jean-Xavier de Lestrade wasn't hired to make a propaganda film.

https://www.thewrap.com/the-staircase-director-jean-xavier-de-lestrade-on-whether-michael-peterson-is-guilty-or-innocent/
Andyzipp
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Psychag said:

Whatever happened to Deaver? He should be held accountable for his actions.
From https://www.metro.us/news/the-big-stories/duane-deaver-after-michael-peterson-case

Quote:

It was discovered that throughout his almost 25-year career at SBI that he had falsified evidence in 34 different cases and he was ultimately fired from the agency in 2011.
Texmid
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Andyzipp said:

Texmid said:

Not sure how to do the spoiler tags, so, stop reading if you haven't seen the ending.









They also mention that there was a bloody footprint on her clothing. I think we were not shown nearly all of the evidence that the prosecution had. Remember, the filmmakers were hired by Peterson. I'm sure most of what we saw was approved by him in some way.
Pretty sure that Jean-Xavier de Lestrade wasn't hired to make a propaganda film.

https://www.thewrap.com/the-staircase-director-jean-xavier-de-lestrade-on-whether-michael-peterson-is-guilty-or-innocent/
My bad. I have searched the internet and cannot find any evidence that Peterson hired them. I did find out that the filmmakers originally had access to both sides and the Prosecution cut off ties after about 4 months.

Big Cat `93
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Fun fact: saw some of an old Dateline last night about another guy in NC indicted for murdering his wife. The judge? Orlando Hudson. The result? An Alford plea.
TP Ag '87
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It was crazy and, I'd think, incredibly unique that the same judge was on the bench throughout this entire ordeal. Interesting to see him age as well.

That last interview with him was QUITE telling, and that's from a guy who DID hear all the evidence.
s13fenton
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Watch the NBC Dateline episode on this, it's on their website. They do it about as even and non biased as possible.
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I'm on episode 4, enjoying it so far.

I will say i started this series with the expectation that he's innocent simply because i saw Mike Nifong (DA in the duke lacrosse case) was on the prosecution. That dude is shady as hell, don't trust anything he says.
GoAgs92
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I always thought a blowpoke was something you got from a hooker in vegas.

I'm always learning something, thanks netflix.
TP Ag '87
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Yeah, I'd NEVER heard of that thing before, or that term, in my life before this series.
Brian Earl Spilner
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On the 2011 episodes now.

Honestly, how the HELL did they miss the blow poke for 3+ months or whatever it was?
TP Ag '87
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Don't think they did,.........
Big Cat `93
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Whenever I see that word, I always hear David Rudolf saying it.
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I made it through about 3 or 4 episodes- way too slow for me but that may be because I hate excessively detailed legal stuff. The legal system in general annoys me.
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GoAgs92
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I'm not sure how she was beaten unconscious if there was no fracture or brain bruising from that blowpoke, plus that there was no blood really on the ceiling from her being beaten...so how'd she get knocked out?
Brian Earl Spilner
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I wonder why they never mentioned the possibilty of him having pushed her down the stairs.
Texmid
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

I wonder why they never mentioned the possibilty of him having pushed her down the stairs.
I think the prosecution ruled this out based on her injuries. She would have had some kind of bruising on her body from a fall down the stairs.
TP Ag '87
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I'm watching this a second time as wife hasn't seen yet. We're about 5 episodes in. Interesting to re-watch knowing what I "know," as well as watching wife's reactions.

No spoiler here: the prosecutors and their experts/team just scream dirty, smarmy and corrupt. Every one of them is so punchable...
FL_Ag1998
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Just finished watching this series.

1) Have you ever watched a movie set in the Deep South and the characters are so laughably cliche that you think that there is no way anybody exists and acts like that in real life? Yeah, well apparently they do exist and they worked in the Durham, NC DA's office in the early 2000's. The lead DA and his assistant were such caricatures of hokey, backwoods, incompetent bigots, and they just got worse as the trial progressed. Whatever law school they graduated from should be embarrased they issued them degrees.

2) The entire SBI of North Carolina should be burned to the ground and completely rebuilt, not just the lead expert in this case, Dever. And the fact he wasn't prosecuted for the blatant misconduct he practiced in so many cases just shows how screwed up the justice system can be.

That being said,

3) I don't think Peterson was innocent. I don't believe in coincidences. Two women, both deeply involved with him, dead at the bottom of a staircases, all the secrets and lies in his life...yeah, he killed them both.

4) He absolutely was having an affair with the "friend" in Germany, and at least one of the daughters is his.

5) I don't believe for a second that his wife knew about his bisexuality and hookups with escorts the entire time and was perfectly fine with it. I think her finding out likely was what lead to her demise.

6) I don't believe much of anything that comes out of Peterson's mouth. Everything he said and did came across as extremely contrived. It felt like he was constantly "acting"...giving deep, grandiose statements all the time...holding the end of his glasses in his mouth while looking out his window deep in thought...puffing on a pipe while listening to his favorite classical music. Watch Peterson when his attorney first tells him about the accusations of a hookup by the male escort (proven true by the emails)...he shows all the signs of a guilty person caught trying to deny it...the exaggerated facial expressions and amazement and exclamations of how ridiculous the claims are, yet never once actually denying them.

7) The two daughters annoyed me, especially the older one. I know it could have just been the editing of the film, but it sure seemed like the actual death of the mother was almost an afterthought. Like Peterson was the only thing worth considering and their actual dead mother figure was just an abstract afterthought that's causing their dad all this trouble. I get loving your parent, but never once considering all of the lies and "coincidences" throughout Peterson's life and the weak story of her falling down the stairs as the cause of her death? Kind of weird in my opinion.

Anyway, a ****ed up situation all around and another good docuseries on Netflix.
tamuags08
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Finished this series this weekend and did enjoy it. I think he probably did it but based on the evidence shown in the doc, id have likely voted to aquit. I believe his sexuality and the past event with his ex in Germany seriously influenced the outcome.

On the daughters defending him, I know they were grown but I wonder if the inheritance played a factor into siding with Michael? It seemed the younger one slightly questioned him during the proceeding requesting a retrial when he was still in prison.

I did get a recommendation in the comments of one of the articles to check out the podcast, "Beyond a Reasonable Doubt?". The poster alleged the documentary did not cover several pieces of evidence the prosecution presented. I'm planning to listen to it over a series of long runs in the coming couple of weeks.
tamuags08
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#4 about one of the daughters being his, apparently the prosecution did DNA testing during the trial and it was negative for both daughters.

The defense attorney has a personal site where he's commented on each episode.

https://davidsrudolf.com/thestaircase/chapter-3-a-striking-coincidence/
FL_Ag1998
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Hmmm, I'll have to check that site out.

And yes, the podcast is definitely worthwhile if you're interested in this case. It shows there is a lot of stuff that "The Staircase" left out (like them being in $100k of credit card debt, and the wife constantly working her butt off to support her family while Michael piddled around as a "writer" and his sons constantly leached off of them instead of getting jobs).

After the podcast I came away thinking that the documentary was extremely biased towards Michael, especially when you consider that one of the editors on that crew became involved in a romantic relationship with Michael during the filming of it.
 
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