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Weezer covers Toto's "Africa"

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Rudyjax
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aTmAg said:

Legal question:

Why do some artists sue others for stealing riffs and stuff, but don't when somebody covers their entire song?

Do the cover guys have to get permission from the original first? Or is there some sort of legal exception?
Because when they steal riffs and stuff, the writer isn't getting paid.

When they cover the whole song, the original artist is being paid.

Now sure how that works on YouTube and Internet tho.

So for example, Don't Dolly Parton made a fortune on I will always love you by Whitney. Probably ,ore tan Whitney did.
Aust Ag
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aTmAg
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Rudyjax said:

aTmAg said:

Legal question:

Why do some artists sue others for stealing riffs and stuff, but don't when somebody covers their entire song?

Do the cover guys have to get permission from the original first? Or is there some sort of legal exception?
Because when they steal riffs and stuff, the writer isn't getting paid.

When they cover the whole song, the original artist is being paid.

Now sure how that works on YouTube and Internet tho.

So for example, Don't Dolly Parton made a fortune on I will always love you by Whitney. Probably ,ore tan Whitney did.
That explains it. Thanks.
Zombie Jon Snow
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That's great - love that song by FM - and huge Cranberries fan. Never heard that cover version before. it fits their sound well. It sounds both like the original and like the Cranberries so much so that it could have been a Cranberries song I feel.

The quiet middle part with the added ethereal sounding la-la stuff is a great personal touch.

Zombie Jon Snow
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aTmAg said:

Rudyjax said:

aTmAg said:

Legal question:

Why do some artists sue others for stealing riffs and stuff, but don't when somebody covers their entire song?

Do the cover guys have to get permission from the original first? Or is there some sort of legal exception?
Because when they steal riffs and stuff, the writer isn't getting paid.

When they cover the whole song, the original artist is being paid.

Now sure how that works on YouTube and Internet tho.

So for example, Don't Dolly Parton made a fortune on I will always love you by Whitney. Probably ,ore tan Whitney did.
That explains it. Thanks.

Yes that's pretty much it - you have to credit the original writer even if you only sample a little bit from a song. then they may only get a small percentage. But if you cover an entire song you better credit the writer and they get all of the royalties that are for writing. Royalties have a split for songwriter vs artist. both get a portion as well as the record company/publisher.

Famously Led Zep was sued for some early songs that failed to credit the writer - in one case (Babe I'm Gonna Leave You") for example they believed it was an old traditional song because they were more or less working from what they had heard which was the Joan Baez version and she had incorrectly failed to credit the song writer - so Zep credited it as "Traditional arrangement" (which means like a song handed down through the years and never credited to anyone). But the writer a folk singer from the early 60s found ot about it in the 80s and they were sued and it is since credited as Anne Bredon/Page and Plant so she has a partial but primary writers cut and they have the remaining portion because it was not a direct cover as they made some significant changes.

In another famous case - Vanilla Ice obviously blatantly lifted the "dum dum dee dee dee dum dum" riff of the infamous bass line from "Under Pressure" by Queen and David Bowie but did not credit them at all. He even argued that he changed one note at the end of the riff - meaning he knew he did steal it which he later admitted. After a lawsuit it was then credited as Vanilla Ice and Queen and David Bowie upon a settlement agreement although VI claim he bought the song as a settlement and now owns the rights. Not sure if that is true.

Anyway... you better credit the writer or you are gonna get sued - even if it is just a riff.
Aust Ag
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George Harrison was sued and lost with My Sweet Lord. They said it sounded like the Chiffons "He's So Fine". Not sure about that one, Harrison was pissed. I think he ended up settling for about half a million, which was high price tp pay 40 years ago.
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rynning
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Zombie Jon Snow said:

I agree great covers really sound like the cover band and the best ones improve on the original or at least reach the same peak. But the best covers are so well known that people don't know the original artist.

What's the point if the artist is trying to sound exactly like the original? Is the artist literally saying the original is so good that it can't be improved upon and they have nothing to add? Leave that to the kids and amateurs...
AR_Ag95
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62strat said:

Let's not forget this cover of Toto.



Mike just moved to Denver and my old guitar player joined his band! Totally jealous.



That was outstanding!!! Thanks for posting it!!!
RightWingConspirator
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I'll submit The Feelies covering The Velvet Underground's "What goes on"
chiken
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Holy moly that is amazing!!!
chiken
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Now I'm just running down a rabbit hole here.

Zombie Jon Snow
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Not bad but.... you gon and dun it now... I gotta break out some old school Stanley Jordan on you.

This guy always amazed me discovered him in the early 80s and had many of his albums.




Here is just a quick intro to his style and skill... he will often play 2 guitars or piano and guitar at the same time.

This is Autumn Leaves a classic jazz standard






An incredible version of Eleanor rigby (Beatles)






And here he also plays 2 guitars later in the solo - an instrumental Stairway to Heaven skip to about 3:45



 
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