http://ultimateclassicrock.com/post-malone-beatles-top-20-record/

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Beerbongs & Bentleys, the second album by rapper Post Malone, is responsible for setting a record that had previously thought to be unbreakable. In the first week of release, it has placed nine songs in the Top 20 of Billboard's Hot 100 chart, breaking the record set by the Beatles in 1964 and tied last week by J. Cole.

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Crazy that such a longstanding record was tied and then broken in just two weeks.

Guess that would speak more towards the culture

Music is dead

54 years and that's the guy who breaks it? [puke face]

I couldn't name a single of his songs.

Texaggie7nine said:

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Guess that would speak more towards the culture

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Also major changes in the way Billboard determines chart position.

ChiliBeans said:

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Texaggie7nine said:

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Guess that would speak more towards the culture

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Also major changes in the way Billboard determines chart position.

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This is the main reason why. Streaming results aren't the same as air play. I"m not sure if its better or worse as you an make an argument that this is people choosing what they want to hear as opposed to some DJ or producer but its hard to make a like for like comparison.

the way Billboard determines chart placing today is completely bogus and has nothing to do with "sales" of any sort.

stupid.

#FakeRecord

This is comparing Apples to *******s

I think top 40 was much more difficult to penetrate than it is for a well-hyped release to achieve a spike in streaming. The new method, I think, rewards repeat plays in a way that was never recorded at all in the past.

What is a Post Malone?

(rhetorical, but serious)

Downloads and streams do not equal tangible sales and radio plays and the current "record sale equivalents" standard is stupid.

500,000ags said:

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Downloads and streams do not equal tangible sales and radio plays and the current "record sale equivalents" standard is stupid.

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I agree, but I think the way they are measuring it now is definitely more accurate. Shouldn't the top 20 be the most listened to songs?

SeattleAgJr said:

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the way Billboard determines chart placing today is completely bogus and has nothing to do with "sales" of any sort.

stupid.

#FakeRecord

This is comparing Apples to *******s

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Why is it bogus?

Music consumption has changed. It isn't the same comparison, but its also not bogus. I don't thin the Billboard hot 100 ever factored in sales. I thought it was just radioplay.

Honestly radioplay was bogus. This is more representative to what people want to listen to than whomever paid DJs and Stations more for radioplay.

ChiliBeans said:

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I think top 40 was much more difficult to penetrate than it is for a well-hyped release to achieve a spike in streaming. The new method, I think, rewards repeat plays in a way that was never recorded at all in the past.

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Repeat airplay was recorded in the past though.

Looks like the they did factor in sales before. I was mistaken.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Hot_100#Hot_100_policy_changes

MBAR said:

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ChiliBeans said:

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I think top 40 was much more difficult to penetrate than it is for a well-hyped release to achieve a spike in streaming. The new method, I think, rewards repeat plays in a way that was never recorded at all in the past.

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Repeat airplay was recorded in the past though.

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But I mean repeat play by the consumer was not. If you played Led Zeppelin IV until the grooves wore out, there was no way to register that. Streaming services can record how many times you listen to track 7.

ChiliBeans said:

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MBAR said:

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ChiliBeans said:

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I think top 40 was much more difficult to penetrate than it is for a well-hyped release to achieve a spike in streaming. The new method, I think, rewards repeat plays in a way that was never recorded at all in the past.

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Repeat airplay was recorded in the past though.

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But I mean repeat play by the consumer was not. If you played Led Zeppelin IV until the grooves wore out, there was no way to register that. Streaming services can record how many times you listen to track 7.

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Sure, but streaming has essentially replaced radio. We still don't know how much people play digital downloads.

I don't disagree with you, I just think this is a more accurate way to say what people are listening to.

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I don't disagree with you

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We don't disagree at all.

Never heard of him or the J Cole person.

YouBet said:

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Never heard of him or the J Cole person.

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J Cole is like a poet who raps. Most of his songs have really introspective lyrics. This is also his third album he has released in a row with no other features artists on any of the songs. Both of these things have probably hurt him from having more mainstream success, but I enjoy listening to him. Glad to see that he is finally getting the appreciation he deserves.

It does make sense, I mean no one has so dominated pop music culture and permeated into the gestalt of American's music and entertainment like Post Malone and J Cole since, well, The Beatles.

I'm sure PBS will be running fundraising campaigns on the 50th anniversary of the release of Post Malone's cultural watershed album.

Exactly.

Think of what we are saying, and who we are comparing in this conversation. I don't care how they measure any of it now, I can tell on the very surface it's flawwed. There's new habits of consumption, so there should be new methods to measure, but they haven't gotten it right yet.

This is like talking about the NBA before and after the invent of the shot clock. We essentially call it the modern game. We should be making a similar distinction today; pre-streaming and post-streaming or something.

J. Cole is headlining Bumbershoot this year up in Seattle. It'll be fun to see him in that environment

Champ Bailey said:

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YouBet said:

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Never heard of him or the J Cole person.

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J Cole is like a poet who raps. Most of his songs have really introspective lyrics. This is also his third album he has released in a row with no other features artists on any of the songs. Both of these things have probably hurt him from having more mainstream success, but I enjoy listening to him. Glad to see that he is finally getting the appreciation he deserves.

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It didn't hurt him on FHD2014 because that album is fantastic. The last 2 J Cole albums just feel lazy to me. I don't like them much at all.

Its great to have good meaningful lyrics, but do it with a good song. Otherwise its just crap as music. Kendrick does this all the time so well and I feel both Kendrick and J Cole were close after FHD2014 but Kendrick just went in one direction (UP) and J Cole just went in the other.

The Blacker The Berry is introspective as hell and is a billion times better than anything Cole has ever done.

I'm a Cole fan, but I just think he's gotten complacent.

If the measurement is streamed/downloaded songs, every chart topping album will place a similar number of songs in the top. Most will stream the complete album when new music drops. Kind of silly. This is actually how it has always been. People listen to new albums.

It is meaningful and perhaps more so. Perhaps not. It is however, entirely different to the point that it doesn't really even count as a record being broken. It is just a different record.

J Cole is great. Post Malone has a couple of decent songs, but I listened to this album and it's very underwhelming and mindless. Can't believe it's getting this airplay and pub. Shame this is the new standard.

It's a good thing streaming numbers can't be falsified.

https://www.google.com/amp/variety.com/2018/biz/news/jay-z-tidal-accused-of-falsifying-beyonce-and-kanye-west-streaming-numbers-1202804222/amp/

What the effing f ck?

Someone once said his mustache looks like two little doggies kissing.

It DOES look like two puppies kissing

Given that it's not the same standard at all, I'm not sure how one can make any claim that he broke anything. Release his stuff to the same distribution model as the Beatles or the other way around and it's not even a contest.

People complaining that a crummy pop artist beat out a record held by crummy pop artists.

I think I understand this thread.