I thought that the magic at The Wall was undone when Bran went through it with the mark of the NK on him.

Can you imagine having to pack snacks for a dude that size? He probably crushes 10,000 calories a day.

Well we were talking about that last page, that's also what I thought was going to happen. But it's not what ended up happening. Or at least if that did play a part they haven't at any point said that in the show. They took the wall down with the dragon.

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My argument isn't "wild speculation too," it's something that was literally said from a credible source in the show. How does he know? He probably tested it. You'd think Benjen Stark would want to get back south of the wall if he could. But he says he can't.

He also explains what happened to him. The Children of the Forest, who created the walkers, kept him from completely turning using dragonglass. Maybe the Children of the Forest also told him about the wall? They obviously have the ability to keep the dead out of the cave where the Three Eyed Raven is.

That's a big difference from what's plainly laid out in the story versus wild message board speculation.

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It's wild speculation that he tested the wall, that the children of the forest told him, etc. We are both engaged in speculation.

My point is that the whole Benjen thing to me is by far the bigger flaw that HBO has injected into the story than bringing a wight over the wall. If he went north of the wall and never came back, then tons of these problems (and cheesy moments) go away. To disallow a wight from coming over the wall makes the story lame, since the whole premise of "winter coming" would be a "who cares?" Afterall, there is a magic wall keeping them north anyway. Why even have a nights watch? All you'd need are people to maintain the structural integrity of the wall.

Do you even magic bro?

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That's not a baby.

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Hafthor was born to play the mountain. Won World's Strongest man in 2018, and seems to be on track to do the same in 2019. 6'9", probably about 430 lbs. A real life mountain.

Benjen Stark has been a brother of the Night's Watch his entire adult life and has been trapped north of the wall in an in between human/wight state for years. I think that would qualify him for SME level status. In fact, there is probably not one single character that knows more about the wall, the WW's, and what goes on beyond the wall in the entire GOT Universe, save maybe Mance Rayder (prior to his death).

My worry is, how the hell do they stop The Mountain?

Could the Hound alone take him?

Arya might be able to sneak up on him, but if she's anywhere near him and he isn't dead instantly, she's toast.

Dragonfire?

mountain is also slowly decaying. wonder if that makes a difference.

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Okay, how he knows is wild speculation, but the fact is that he knows.

But HBO didn't invent this character. From what I understand he's kind of a combination of a couple of characters in the book (in the book the character 'Coldhands' is this role, and it's not clear who Coldhands was previously) but he plays an important role in the books also.

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Yeah, I just read about Coldhands. According to GRRM, Coldhands is NOT Benjen. So HBO pulled that from their collective asses. The article doesn't mention anything about Coldhands saying that the dead are unable to cross the wall, was that in there? Or was that entire dialog made up by HBO (the article implies that much of it was)?

Inb4 episode 4 was boring

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Benjen Stark has been a brother of the Night's Watch his entire adult life and has been trapped north of the wall in an in between human/wight state for years. I think that would qualify him for SME level status. In fact, there is probably not one single character that knows more about the wall, the WW's, and what goes on beyond the wall in the entire GOT Universe, save maybe Mance Rayder (prior to his death).

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There is no doubt that what Benjen Stark said seems to contradict reality (in the show) since they indeed brought a wight south of the wall. So these are the possibilities as I see it:

1) Benjen is mistaken in the story (no plot hole)
2) Benjen is right and the show has a plot hole when they brought a wight south of the wall
3) Benjen is partially right and didn't consider flying a wight over the wall (since dragons didn't exist as far as he knew) (no plot hole)
4) HBO having Benjen saying that is the plot hole because because they do indeed fly a wight over the wall the following season.

Mantis Toboggan MD said:

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Inb4 episode 4 was boring

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So I haven't watched any of her interviews until recently. It's funny how non-serious she is. Completely unexpected when you are used to Dani

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Just read the quote below in an article. Does anyone think this is what happened? I thought Jon just lost it in the courtyard and decided to stand up, yell defiantly at the dragon, and wait for it to burn him alive.

Frankly, this makes more sense.

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The latest theory to get tongues wagging is that Jon Snow actually did help to kill the night king. Just before Arya reached the Night King, Snow can be seen coming from behind his shelter to fight Viserion, the undead dragon. Apparently, he screams "Go!," allowing Arya to pass by and do her deed.

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ETA: Sorry if this was already recently posted. I took a break from reading the posts yesterday because they stopped being interesting.

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Just more crap people make up to try to justify poor writing.

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StringerBell said:

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lmao it sure seems like a lot of yall hate watch this show

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Dude. I was 2 minutes from posting this. This thread has turned into a GOT bashing thread. Some of these folks just sound miserable.

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I don't think I'm being overly sensitive if I feel like I'm a target of these 2 comments. So I'll respond

1) I didn't know this thread was solely dedicated to praise or prediction. I was under the impression that ALL things GoT related could be discussed. If people can engage in a discussion prompted by 'will we see bewbs again' I think it's fair to say that I can discuss my criticisms with an episode that aired 4 days ago without getting called miserable.

2) I don't hate this show. In fact I love it (I would hazard to guess that my affection for this show runs deeper, or at least as deep, as anyone else here). I've watched every episode multiple times. Read all the books multiple times. I'm invested in this story beyond a casual 60 minute viewing appointment on some Sundays. It's the fantasy epic of my lifetime. But to say you love something, doesn't immunize it from its own faults. Seasons 1-4 are generally considered by many (including me) as the best string of episodes in television history. The faults of this show have been slowly materializing in higher frequency and magnitude since S7. However, at this point, I've dedicated over a decade of my life to this story line and that type of investment is nearly impossible to sell off. There's almost nothing this show could do that would make me stop watching the last 3 episodes. The hooks are in me too deep (and I suspect it's the same for many others). Unlike The Walking Dead, it's far too late for anyone to bail out now.

So apologies if it appears I'm just 'hate watching' it. That couldn't be further from the truth.

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If we have to read their circle jerk on how great it is, then they can put up with our criticism, too.

Irony is, those unhappy with it probably, on average, have a lot more time and energy invested in the story than those that thought that episode was wonderful.

Unfortunately, this is probably the only conclusion I will get to see or read for a work of fiction I started investing time in over fifteen years ago.

So, I think I will probably stick it out for the next three weeks, regardless of how strongly I believe the show writers don't understand the source material this is based on, or how much it annoys those who love GOT as WWE entertainment.

PatAg said:

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The Better Call Saul thread wasn't enough for you? You have to do the same thing in this one?

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What "thing" is that?

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Mantis Toboggan MD said:

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Inb4 episode 4 was boring

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So I haven't watched any of her interviews until recently. It's funny how non-serious she is. Completely unexpected when you are used to Dani

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She's a great actress. She also has probably the most expressive face I've ever seen.

Eso si, Que es said:

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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Yes no doubt it added to the emotion... and for budget reasons made it easier.

But purely from a watcher point of view more light would have been better in several places. The Dothraki attack for one thing... they got off cheap there really and kill 100K without showing anything. then they roll in the clouds and obscured everything.

I get why - both cost and tension. Just saying it sucked that way for some of it.

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I think the clouds and storm was a great tactical move by the NK (he seemed smarter than the good guys). And he had done it in the past, so it was consistent. I would have expected him to do that even if it was during the day. Especially when you are going against dragons. Before that storm, Jon and Dany were doing pretty damned good against the zombies. It probably would have been a close fight if it wasn't for that storm taking the dragons out of the mix.

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You are insufferable on this thread with all the goal tending. You don't have to respond to every single criticism.

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Just wanted to point out that while he has 56 posts since the episode aired, you are right behind him at 43 posts.

Most hockey games have 2 goal tenders

Just sayin....

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How about a scoring update?

pete_claw98 said:

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The Dothraki charge is what they do. See earlier battle. They charge in and slaughter people. Flaming, dragon glass coated swords should work for awhile.

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For incompetence of command, Queen Daenerys is set administrative punishment. 10 lashes.

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aTmAg said:

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Mantis Toboggan MD said:

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Inb4 episode 4 was boring

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So I haven't watched any of her interviews until recently. It's funny how non-serious she is. Completely unexpected when you are used to Dani

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She's a great actress. She also has probably the most expressive face I've ever seen.

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This (part of an) interview is great too:

StringerBell said:

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mountain is also slowly decaying. wonder if that makes a difference.

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hmm...makes the nuns raping necrophilia as well. Kinky

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bobinator said:

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I don't think it's an inconsistency, at least not until later on when they're able to fly one over the wall.

I think this is the Night King testing the defenses. He knows they can't cross the wall, but he's seeing if he can reanimate a body on the other side of the wall (and maybe kill a bunch of the Night's Watch in the process).

I don't think it's a big jump to think that he had a WW relatively close by to raise them at night in the castle once they were through the wall.

So I think all of that was actually a decently well thought out plan.

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So that is another thing that is inconsistent. If he can wake up a dead dude onthe other side of the wall when he's miles away, why couldn't he wake up a dragon on the bottom of a pond and have it swim it's own ass up? Why bother with chains at all?

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Wow swimming dragons. How on Earth did they not choose to go that route!?

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aTmAg said:

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bobinator said:

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I don't think it's an inconsistency, at least not until later on when they're able to fly one over the wall.

I think this is the Night King testing the defenses. He knows they can't cross the wall, but he's seeing if he can reanimate a body on the other side of the wall (and maybe kill a bunch of the Night's Watch in the process).

I don't think it's a big jump to think that he had a WW relatively close by to raise them at night in the castle once they were through the wall.

So I think all of that was actually a decently well thought out plan.

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So that is another thing that is inconsistent. If he can wake up a dead dude onthe other side of the wall when he's miles away, why couldn't he wake up a dragon on the bottom of a pond and have it swim it's own ass up? Why bother with chains at all?

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Wow swimming dragons. How on Earth did they not choose to go that route!?

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Is there an species on Earth that cannot swim? I can't think of any.

Having dragons able to swim just like 99.9999% of animals is much less of a stretch than to have zombies somehow forge boat anchor chains, swim down a 100 feet under water (when earlier in the episode they were unwilling to even step in water), attach the chains to a dead dragon, and pull it up.

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Please stop sucking the fun out of this thread. Just stop posting in it, please.

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How am I "sucking the fun out of this thread"?

Trident 88 said:

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Just read the quote below in an article. Does anyone think this is what happened? I thought Jon just lost it in the courtyard and decided to stand up, yell defiantly at the dragon, and wait for it to burn him alive.

Frankly, this makes more sense.

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The latest theory to get tongues wagging is that Jon Snow actually did help to kill the night king. Just before Arya reached the Night King, Snow can be seen coming from behind his shelter to fight Viserion, the undead dragon. Apparently, he screams "Go!," allowing Arya to pass by and do her deed.

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ETA: Sorry if this was already recently posted. I took a break from reading the posts yesterday because they stopped being interesting.

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I've watched it twice and definitely do not think that's what happened. Jon is trying to get to the courtyard, but he's blocked by the dragon. Him standing up is a last ditch effort to fight the dragon standing in his way. The Night King raised hundreds of dead to stand in his way. I'm more inclined to think he put the dragon there to block him as well.

Jon doesn't even look like he's focused on or even sees anyone other than the dragon. He doesn't yell "Go!" either. He just yells.

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aTmAg said:

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Mantis Toboggan MD said:

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Inb4 episode 4 was boring

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So I haven't watched any of her interviews until recently. It's funny how non-serious she is. Completely unexpected when you are used to Dani

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She's a great actress. She also has probably the most expressive face I've ever seen.

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