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One thing that struck me reading these arguments is that destroying Kings Landing to send a message to the rest of Westeros is something Tywin Lannister would have done. And did, on a much smaller scale with the Reynes and Tarbecks. Not exactly breaking the wheel.

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chase128 said:

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If Jon keeps his secret, at least for a little while, but still doesn't have an incestuous relationship with Dany does Dany end up going crazy?

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She had a change of heart with the hound and went completely back to her stark roots. Empathy for civilians that have nothing to do with Ned's death.

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So far, that's the least talked about Big Thing in this episode.

Arya fled KL in hiding after Ned's death and hadn't been back since. She returns just in time to see it burn and crumble, and again narrowly escapes. I assume they gave her the white horse to let her ride out in contrast to the way she had to sneak out last time.

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The white horse signifies death. I don't know if that means the death of Arya or her revenge arc, but I believe it was coupled with her seeing the mother and daughter burned to a crisp and she feels justice needs to be served to Dany and she'll be the one to do it.

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jenn96 said:

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One thing that struck me reading these arguments is that destroying Kings Landing to send a message to the rest of Westeros is something Tywin Lannister would have done. And did, on a much smaller scale with the Reynes and Tarbecks. Not exactly breaking the wheel.

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So, do Jon and Tyrion even bother to face Dany now? She has to know that they would never follow her now, so she would just kill them as soon as she sees them. I really don't see where they go from here other than another all out war where all seven kingdoms unite against her. After what she has done, anyone who isn't also a homicidal maniac would turn against her.

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Yeah, I mean that's clearly what they've decided they're going for. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

The city has surrendered. If she's that hell bent on instilling fear, accept the surrender, and then kill every single person in the city who fought to defend it.

There are a thousand steps between 'I need to instill fear' and 'I need to kill everyone in this city' and she didn't take any of them.

I just think it's lazy after seven years of all of the tiny steps her character has taken, that in her final act she's reduced to just 'well she's crazy now.'

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You don't understand.. she's ALWAYS been crazy. Haven't you been watching all the groundwork they have been laying down in EVERY season to show how crazy she is? If you didn't see that coming, then you weren't paying attention.

(Nevermind, nobody else predicted that ending either.)

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This is a ridiculous argument. Nobody saw Frey killing Robb, yet they laid the groundwork for it. Just because it surprised you doesn't mean the signs weren't there.

And the signs have been there.

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What ground work was laid where Frey would kill every last member of that family? I don't remember such groundwork being laid.

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Frey was shown as this arrogant man who was angry at constantly being looked over until he was needed. He invited the Starks and agreed to side against the Lannister's in exchange for Robb marrying his daughter, assuring a Frey in royalty in the north. Robb decided that love was more important than his honor as king, and Frey was pissed about it. He pretended to be ok with just marrying the daughter to Edmure.

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So the point I am making is this: We didn't know enough about Frey to know if he was capable of wiping out the entire Stark family. When he did it, it was shocking, for sure, but it wasn't outside the limited character of Frey that we were exposed to.

Yet we have spent 8 seasons with Dany. She is one of the main characters. We know her well enough to know that he is very unlikely to go on random a civilian killing spree. So if they were going to make her do so, then they needed to show us more on why she would do it. A lot more than "well she's a Targaryen" or "it wasn't enough" (as D&D stated).

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And they have, as shown with multiple examples over the past 10 pages.

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And they were all terrible. Retribution for injustice, treason, etc. are not in the same ballpark as wiping out a city and killing tons of innocent civilians after the battle was over. Groundwork for that was never laid out in past seasons.

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Well I disagree.

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BowSowy said:

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Man, you're relentless with your arguing. It's becoming insufferable.

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tk for tu juan said:

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I prefer Dany burning all of Kings Landing over the game of Red Rover the two armies were about to play in the streets after the surrender. Such a lame faceoff and dropping of the swords by the Lannister army. Just imagine the outrage if all the build up over seven seasons just led to a peaceful turnover of KL

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aggiejim70 said:

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For those of us who came in late and didn't pay attention. Wasn't Lady Mormont in the funeral pyre? Wondering how this could be since she was "transformed" by the Night King prior to his death. Shouldn't she have just "blown up" like we saw so many do?

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Every character in the game killed innocent people, even including ned stark arguably. Thats the whole point of the show.

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I prefer Dany burning all of Kings Landing over the game of Red Rover the two armies were about to play in the streets after the surrender. Such a lame faceoff and dropping of the swords by the Lannister army. Just imagine the outrage if all the build up over seven seasons just led to a peaceful turnover of KL

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I'm 100% satisfied that it was burned. The steps she took to get to that point are obviously up for debate. I'm in the camp that the last leap was too big of one and needed more development, but I'd rather that be the case than her not have burned it.

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Yeah, I mean that's clearly what they've decided they're going for. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

The city has surrendered. If she's that hell bent on instilling fear, accept the surrender, and then kill every single person in the city who fought to defend it.

There are a thousand steps between 'I need to instill fear' and 'I need to kill everyone in this city' and she didn't take any of them.

I just think it's lazy after seven years of all of the tiny steps her character has taken, that in her final act she's reduced to just 'well she's crazy now.'

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You don't understand.. she's ALWAYS been crazy. Haven't you been watching all the groundwork they have been laying down in EVERY season to show how crazy she is? If you didn't see that coming, then you weren't paying attention.

(Nevermind, nobody else predicted that ending either.)

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This is a ridiculous argument. Nobody saw Frey killing Robb, yet they laid the groundwork for it. Just because it surprised you doesn't mean the signs weren't there.

And the signs have been there.

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What ground work was laid where Frey would kill every last member of that family? I don't remember such groundwork being laid.

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Frey was shown as this arrogant man who was angry at constantly being looked over until he was needed. He invited the Starks and agreed to side against the Lannister's in exchange for Robb marrying his daughter, assuring a Frey in royalty in the north. Robb decided that love was more important than his honor as king, and Frey was pissed about it. He pretended to be ok with just marrying the daughter to Edmure.

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So the point I am making is this: We didn't know enough about Frey to know if he was capable of wiping out the entire Stark family. When he did it, it was shocking, for sure, but it wasn't outside the limited character of Frey that we were exposed to.

Yet we have spent 8 seasons with Dany. She is one of the main characters. We know her well enough to know that he is very unlikely to go on random a civilian killing spree. So if they were going to make her do so, then they needed to show us more on why she would do it. A lot more than "well she's a Targaryen" or "it wasn't enough" (as D&D stated).

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And they have, as shown with multiple examples over the past 10 pages.

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And they were all terrible. Retribution for injustice, treason, etc. are not in the same ballpark as wiping out a city and killing tons of innocent civilians after the battle was over. Groundwork for that was never laid out in past seasons.

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Well I disagree.

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So you disagree that killing a civilian who did nothing more than live in a city is vastly different than killing somebody in retribution for some past injustice?

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That's not what I said. No need to make up my arguments, I have been telling you them for the past 10 pages, you can read what I actually did say. You aren't going to change my opinion, and it's obvious from this thread nobody will ever change yours.

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At that point when she's already taken out all the city's defenses it's pretty clear that she can just kill everyone by herself, so why would they keep fighting.

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