Fan of 1986s Aliens? (heres lots of trivia, lots and lots of trivia)

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More trivia than one would think possible.
This is from amazon.com:

Hicks was originally played by Remar, James, but Biehn, Michael replaced him a few days after principal photography began, due to "artistic differences" between Remar and director Cameron, James.

The preparation for the actors playing Colonial Marines included two weeks' training with the S.A.S. (Special Air Service, Britain's elite anti-terrorist force) and reading Robert Heinlein's novel "Starship Troopers". Biehn, Michael missed the training, as he was a last-minute replacement.

The mechanism used to make the face-huggers thrash about in the stasis tubes in the science lab came from one of the "flying piranhas" in one of Cameron's earlier movies Piranha II: The Spawning (1981). It took nine people to make the face-hugger work; one person for each leg and one for the tail.

The APC was a airport tug, de-commissioned by the local airport, with bits added to alter its appearance.

Only six alien suits were used. The appearance of hundreds of aliens is simply clever editing and planning.

The body mounts for Vasquez's and Drake's smart guns are taken from Steadicam gear.

The pulse rifles that the Marines use are made from a Thompson M1A1 machine gun with a Franchi SPAS 12 shotgun underneath.

The M-56 smart guns and the sentry guns built for the movie were designed around German MG 42 machine guns.

The helmets the Marines wear are modified M-1 ballistic helmets.

There were two versions of the "Bug Stompers" logo designed for the movie, one wearing sneakers, and one wearing combat boots as seen on the drop ship.

A lightweight dummy model of Newt (Henn, Carrie) was constructed for Weaver, Sigourney to carry around during the scenes just before the Queen chase.

The armor for the film was built by English armorer Terry English, and painted using Humbrol paints.

The camo pattern worn by the marines is actually called "frog and leaf" and its use and production has been discontinued.

None of the models or the original designs of the Narcissus (the Nostromo's shuttle) from Alien (1979) could be found, so set designers and model-makers had to reconstruct the model of the ship and the interior set from watching Alien (1979).

Bishop's Knife trick was previously in Polanski, Roman's Knife in Water (1962)
"Sulaco" is the name of the town in Conrad, Joseph's "Nostromo". See also Alien (1979).

Biehn, Michael's character gets bitten on the hand by another character. This happens to him in every Cameron, James movie he's in - see Abyss, The (1989) and Terminator, The (1984).

"She thought they said 'illegal aliens' and signed up..." said Hudson. This line (directed towards Vasquez) was in inside joke amongst the actors. Goldstein, Jenette (Vasquez) had gone to the audition thinking the film would be about illegal immigrants. She arrived with waist-long hair and lots of makeup. Everyone else was wearing military fatigues.

One of the sets was kept intact after filming. It was later used as the Axis Chemicals set for Batman (1989).

The "special edition" includes extra scenes: Newt's parents discovering abandoned alien ship on LV-426, scenes of Ripley discussing her daughter, Hudson bragging about his weaponry, robot sentry guns repelling first alien raid, Hicks and Ripley exchanging first names. Also included is a scene on LV-426 where a child rides a low-slung tricycle similar to one ridden in Terminator, The (1984), also directed by Cameron, James.

During the scene inside the APV preparing for battle, "El riesgo vive siempre!" can be seen scrawled in white across Vasquez's armor. This is Spanish for "The risky always live!"

Composer Horner, James cannibalized some of his scores from Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan and Star Trek III: The Search for Spock (1984).

Matthews, Al, who plays a Marine sergeant in this film, was in real life the first black Marine to be promoted to the rank of sergeant in the field during service in Vietnam.

A scene on the colony before the alien infestation was deleted from the final cut.

Elements of that scene show up in later James Cameron projects. The line, "...and we always get the same answer: 'Don't ask'" was used in Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991). The character name "Lydecker" was used in "Dark Angel".

All the marines (with the exception of Hicks, Gorman and Ripley) use their real life first names as their characters' first names.

In both the standard and special addition VHS versions, the fifteen minute countdown at the end of the film is indeed fifteen minutes.

Ripley's (Weaver, Sigourney) daughter was played by Weaver's mother.

Director's Trademark (James Cameron):[nice cut]: a few minutes into the movie, we see Ripley lying in the cryo-tube, and then the scene fades to the picture of the earth; the earth directly fits into the silhouette of Ripley's face.

Director's Trademark (James Cameron):[feet]: When the soldiers arrive on LV426 and jump out of the armoured vehicle. See also Abyss, The (1989).

Director's Trademark (James Cameron):[feet]: When Ripley drives the APC, she crushes an alien's head under one of the wheels.

Director's Trademark (James Cameron):[feet]: close-ups of the power-lifter's feet.

Director's Trademark (James Cameron):[nuke]
A set design company offered to build James Cameron a complete and working APC vehicle from scratch, but the cost was way to high for the budget James Cameron had in mind.

James Cameron had several designers come up with ideas for the drop ship that took the marines from the Sulaco to the planet. Design after design, he finally gave up on them to come up with on he liked and constructed his own drop ship out of a model of an apache helicopter and other spare model pieces.

Bishop's Knife trick was also previously seen in John Carpenter's Dark Star (1974). Like Bishop, Boiler misses too.

Frost and Spunkmeyer mention Arcturans. In The Hitch Hiker's To The Galaxy series, various Arcturan species are mentioned.

The baby alien bursting from the colonist's chest clearly has a pair of more-or-less functioning arms. This is different from the final model infant used in Alien (1979) which originally had arms, but director Ridley Scott thought they didn't, or wouldn't, look right, so he had them removed.

When the set crews were looking around for floor grating to use on the Sulaco set design, they asked a local set design manufacturer/shop if they had anything of the sort. Indeed they did, an immense pile of old floor grating had been sitting out in the back of their shop for the last seven years. It was left there from when they tore down the set of Alien (1979).

Bishop states that he cannot "harm a human, or through inaction, allow one to come to harm." This is the First Law of Robotics as written by science fiction author Isaac Asimov.

The pouch Ripley takes onto the lift at the end of the movie is a British Armed Forces respirator haversack.

Like most films, the movie wasn't shot in sequence. But for added realism, Cameron filmed the scene where we first meet the Colonial Marines (one of the earliest scenes) last. This was so that the camaraderie of the marines was realistic because the actors had spent months filming together.

Cameron had the actors (the marines) personalize their own costumes (battle armor and fatigues) for added realism (much like soldiers in Vietnam wrote and drew things on their own helmets). Actress Cynthia Dale Scott, who plays Cpl. Dietrich has the words "BLUE ANGEL" written on the back of her helmet. Marlene Dietrich was of course the star of Blaue Engel, Der (1930) or Blue Angel. Bill Paxton has "Louise" written on his armor. This is a dedication to his real-life wife, Louise Newbury.

The JP12 Designation in the Inner Loading Lock chamber on the Sulaco was also used in Batman (1989) on the Batwing right near the missle launchers.

In the opening "breakfast" scene in Alien (1979) Ripley asks for the biscuits and Ash the android hands her a piece of cornbread, which she accepts. In this movie, when the marines are seated at a meal, the Android, Bishop, offers Ripley cornbread, which Ripley rejects by slapping it across the room and telling Bishop to stay away from her.

The MedLab door open/close sound effect is the travel pod door open/close sound effect from 2001: A Space Odyssey.
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Neat!

Sci-Fi channel recently showed Aliens with all the deleted scenes. It made for a really long movie, but it was interesting.
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I thought the most obvious piece of trivia I've noticed is the use of the Cyberdyne(sp?) company name in Aliens and Terminator. The drop ship in Aliens is almost identical to some of the ships you see in the cut scenes of the future in the Terminator movies.
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Yeah man, i just got around to watching Alien (1979) and Aliens (1986).

Don't know how I made it this far in life with out seeing either of them but that's the way it is.

Alien is in the top tier of all time. No question about that. Outstanding movie all around.

I'd put Alien, 2001, and Bladerunner as cut from the same cloth.

Lol at these dumbasses nowadays talking about breaking the glass ceiling in Hollywood for female lead action stars. You watch these two movies and that's the stupidest argument of all time, and also tremendously disrespectful to Sigourney Weaver and Ridley Scott who changed the lead from male to female in 1979.

Biggest thing for me was you immediately identified with each member of the crew on Nostromo. There was no overacting or stupid comic book nonsense like you see nowadays. You could identify with the characters and it sucked you in.

Aliens was good but had too much of that 1986 feel to it and it distracted from the story.

The opening scene of Alien 1979 is one of the best opening scenes of all time.

Seems like Ridley Scott had Bladerunner and Alien in the same universe.

The effect of having smudges and fog inside the space helmets when onboard the alien vessel was effective in that it created extra anxiety on part of the audience.

The 1979 movie is way better special effects wise. The modern special effects in the later movies was distracting. You can see the shift from 1979 to 1986 where the focus was on creating summer blockbuster elements more than continuing the story.

So no question Alien 1979 stands the test of time.
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The Aliens ep of The Movies That Made Us on Netflix is a must watch for anyone even casually interested in this thread.
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I'd like to see the cut scenes. Went to see alien when i was about 8. Freaked out and left the theater after the reverse open heart explosion….but went back. It really does hold up


And aliens does too. Different type of movie but one of the all time great action/sci fi flicks.

Game over, man!
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Very nice!

I've seen the version of Aliens with those deleted scenes and honestly they're all good. Can only reason that they were cut just to bring down the runtime cause it did make the movie nearly 3 hours long with the longest segment being showing the colonist on LV426 alive and well and how the alien got inside the colony.

Fun little fact for the original Alien:

When they arrive on the alien ship to investigate on LV426 everything you see is a practical set. But they didn't want to build it crazy huge because of how expensive it would be…..so……the long shots where we see the crew in spacesuits exploring the ship are actually little kids and the set is relatively small.
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Good bump. Never saw this thread before!

2 of my favorite movies!!!
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You have to give George Lucas and his people a ton of credit for utilizing surplus WWII era small arms for sci-futuristic weapons. My guess would be it inspired Camron and his folks to go down that path. Every "gun" in the OT was a WWII era weapon modified with some extra stuff to make it look "sci-fi". Obtaining them, at the time, was cheap and easy in the UK. And many of them were still operable to some degree. Stormtroopers in the OT carried modified MG42, 43's, Sten's, and Sterlings. Luke and Han's famous sidearm was an M96 Mauser auto pistol.

In the final act of ESP, Chewie, Lando, and Leia are all firing weapons taken from Stormtroopers. They are actually British Sterling Mk4 9mm submachineguns. I picked up on this even as kid. If you look close in those final scenes, the weapons are firing live blank cartridges. You actually see the spent shell casing ejecting from the weapons. I always thought was a cool touch to add realism to the scene.
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whenever you see a 20 year bump on here, you can be sure that Stat Monitor is the culprit.
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Urban Ag said:

You have to give George Lucas and his people a ton of credit for utilizing surplus WWII era small arms for sci-futuristic weapons. My guess would be it inspired Camron and his folks to go down that path. Every "gun" in the OT was a WWII era weapon modified with some extra stuff to make it look "sci-fi". Obtaining them, at the time, was cheap and easy in the UK. And many of them were still operable to some degree. Stormtroopers in the OT carried modified MG42, 43's, Sten's, and Sterlings. Luke and Han's famous sidearm was an M96 Mauser auto pistol.

In the final act of ESP, Chewie, Lando, and Leia are all firing weapons taken from Stormtroopers. They are actually British Sterling Mk4 9mm submachineguns. I picked up on this even as kid. If you look close in those final scenes, the weapons are firing live blank cartridges. You actually see the spent shell casing ejecting from the weapons. I always thought was a cool touch to add realism to the scene.


Sand troopers carried modified Lewis Guns (WWI).
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

Lol at these dumbasses nowadays talking about breaking the glass ceiling in Hollywood for female lead action stars. You watch these two movies and that's the stupidest argument of all time, and also tremendously disrespectful to Sigourney Weaver and Ridley Scott who changed the lead from male to female in 1979.
That's a really interesting point that I hadn't thought of before. But I'll gladly steal it.
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Well this is an old thread that I somehow missed 20 years ago.

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Lol at these dumbasses nowadays talking about breaking the glass ceiling in Hollywood for female lead action stars. You watch these two movies and that's the stupidest argument of all time, and also tremendously disrespectful to Sigourney Weaver and Ridley Scott who changed the lead from male to female in 1979.
The original screenplay actually did not define any character's gender. They simply cast actors to parts. The filmmakers may have envisioned a male for the warrant officer, but Sigourney Weaver won them over with her audition.

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When they arrive on the alien ship to investigate on LV426 everything you see is a practical set. But they didn't want to build it crazy huge because of how expensive it would be…..so……the long shots where we see the crew in spacesuits exploring the ship are actually little kids and the set is relatively small.
Another little tidbit to the little kids is that those were Ridley Scott's kids (or perhaps 1-2 of them).

Alien is the greatest movie of its type ever put to film. It will never be matched and certainly not surpassed. I saw this movie in June 1979 at the old Palms Twin theater in Sugar Land, TX. I was 12. I think my Dad thought it would be alright to see since the ad line said "In space ..." and equated that with Star Wars and didn't apparently read the rest of the line "... no one can hear you scream". I will say that this is the scariest movie that I have ever seen. Yes, movies like The Exorcist, Poltergeist, and The Shining are scary but none of those had any kind of lasting impact on me as Alien did. I mean, it's not a problem now, but those first couple of years after seeing it were not a lot of fun with all the nightmares that I had back then. Thanks, Dad.

Some Alien trivia to counter the 20-year-old Aliens trivia:

Ridley Scott and the cinematographer came very close to being incinerated in one scene when Dallas is blasting that flamethrower in the airshaft, this time right at the camera.

The entire Nostromo set was enclosed so that the actors could relate to that set in a realistic manner, with no way out of there. Although, there were doors at various spots in the halls to allow for hidden access. And, when Ripley is running through the darkened hall while the self-destruct countdown is going down, lots of steam in the shot, you see very briefly a crew member duck behind one of those doors. Once you spot this, you will never not see it when watching the movie.

The alien was portrayed by a 7' tall(ish) Nigerian who was rail thin.

A scene of a sexual nature was cut from the original screenplay (between Dallas and Ripley, apparently).

The cast knew that the critter was going to emerge from John Hurt's chest. What they didn't know was all that blood splattering that was going to occur. The reaction from Veronica Cartwright getting splashed right in the face with it was not acting.

There are a few cut scenes in this movie that have shown up in various formats over the years. One famous sequence is when Ripley encounters Dallas and what was Brett in a random room as she is escaping from the Nostromo. Dallas wants her to kill him (much like the sequence in Aliens when the colonist asks the Marines to kill her). Ripley unloads the flamethrower in that room.

The original ending would have sucked. The alien was originally intended to kill Ripley aboard the Narcissus shuttle craft.

The score by Jerry Goldsmith contains some music he wrote for another movie called Freud (1962).

A good bit of what we see in Prometheus in the structure where they found the canisters of alien goo can actually be traced back to early versions of the Alien screenplay and some of the original artwork that Ron Cobb created for the film.

Alien shares similar story beats to the 1958 monster movie, It! The Terror From Beyond Space, and to an Italian movie from 1965, Planet of the Vampires. The primary writer of Alien, Dan O'Bannon, was basically broke when he shacked up on his buddy's couch, a guy named Ron Shussett, and that's when the movie was written. 20th Century Fox brought in Walter Hill to give it a harder feel, and Hill was originally going to direct the movie as well. And back to O'Bannon, he went to film school with director John Carpenter, having made a student film at USC that was fleshed out a bit to give it a theatrical release in 1974. That movie, Dark Star, was about an alien (a beachball to give some idea of that student movie's budget) aboard a spaceship.

Regarding Aliens, I will say that I love that movie. It is one of the best sequels ever made. The only possibly negative thing I'll say about it is that is, in essence, the same movie as Alien, but with lots of guns, Marines, and explosions this time. I don't mean that as a criticism, and I don't doubt that the story that Cameron put on film was pretty much the only way an Alien sequel could hope to go. But, Aliens did give Ripley a far more poignant story arc, with much more depth of character, and which is why I hated Alien 3 as much as I did. The victory of Aliens was thrown away off-screen with the hypersleep deaths of Newt and Hicks. Hated that. The movie itself was okay but I absolutely hated what they did with those characters.
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This thread is old enough for Leo DiCaprio to date.
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Love Aliens
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Lol at this.
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:


Lol at this.
Ok, I can see it now.

It has long been suggested that Alien exists in the same "universe" as both Blade Runner and Outland. Now it will also exist in the same universe at BTTF. I can guess the logic on this one. Obviously, Doc Brown went way into the future and ran across the Weyland-Yutani Company. That company being an evil entity, they killed Doc Brown and stole his mini-fusion reactor and now install that as standard equipment aboard their interstellar starships. And this is why we never saw Doc Brown after his last appearance in that Jules Verne flying train.

In actuality, this is a coffee grinder that was used to great effect as Mr. Fusion. I've seen the suggestion that it was named as "Mr. Fusion" as a nod to "Mr. Coffee", and this actually appears to be its purpose in Alien, as it is a coffee grinder mounted on a wall right above a coffee brewer.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

This thread is old enough for Leo DiCaprio to date.


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I remember watching it at the old MSC or in that area somewhere. Once was a sci-fi oriented club or such on campus? Thing pops out of her belly and out the door I went...lol

What are you guys thoughts on the reality at this point?
"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon

“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
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Aztec1948 said:

I remember watching it at the old MSC or in that area somewhere. Once was a sci-fi oriented club or such on campus? Thing pops out of her belly and out the door I went...lol

What are you guys thoughts on the reality at this point?
I think that was called Cepheid Variable, something like that?

Reality of what, the chest buster? As with everything else in movies involving out of this world stuff, you just have to accept it as part of the story they are telling. If that is not something you can do, then obviously everything that follows will fail to resonate.
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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

Aztec1948 said:

I remember watching it at the old MSC or in that area somewhere. Once was a sci-fi oriented club or such on campus? Thing pops out of her belly and out the door I went...lol

What are you guys thoughts on the reality at this point?
I think that was called Cepheid Variable, something like that?

Reality of what, the chest buster? As with everything else in movies involving out of this world stuff, you just have to accept it as part of the story they are telling. If that is not something you can do, then obviously everything that follows will fail to resonate.
Yes! Thats them. The extraterrestrial reality. How does it effect sci-fi? At some point, some films etc. may be seen as psuedo documentaries perhaps?
"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon

“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
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I missed this one too. Great info.
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Aztec1948 said:

I remember watching it at the old MSC or in that area somewhere. Once was a sci-fi oriented club or such on campus? Thing pops out of her belly and out the door I went...lol

What are you guys thoughts on the reality at this point?


I giggled. Not at it bursting from the chest, but at the way it looked around at the people sitting at the table, then squealing in fright and running off.
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I saw it at the Palms in Sugar Land too. My wife's youngest brother was staying with us for a couple of weeks that summer; I was 23 and he was 13. We didn't think it was so much scary as it was the tension generated by the movie. As we walked out my legs were weak from being tensed up through almost the entire movie.
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Midway through the movie Harry Dean Stanton goes looking for the cat. He finds himself in the bay where one of the ship's landing leg retracts to, and the now huge critter drops down onto him from above. After that, I had to go to the restroom. There were a couple of ceiling tiles missing. I never peed so fast in my life.
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ROTFL
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Nice resurrection of a 2003 thread.

Paul Riser's character reminded me of a character in the book "Mote in God's Eye" that wanted to preserve the Aliens for other uses.
When I read this similar scene, I think I threw the book (MiGE) across the room I was so angry at the character. First time I ever had such a response to some fiction I had read. I was reading it for a SciFi English class I was taking with my Girlfriend/Fiance now wife while at A&M.

Alien was classic horror.
Aliens was Action Horror and my favorite of the series.
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Science Fiction is serious business !
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"Yes, there have been ET visitations. There have been crashed craft. There have been material and bodies recovered. There has been a certain amount of reverse engineering that has allowed some of these craft, or some components, to be duplicated. And there is some group of people that may or may not be associated with the government at this point that have this knowledge. They have been attempting to conceal this knowledge. People in high level government have very little, if any, valid information about this. It has been the subject of disinformation in order to deflect attention and create confusion so the truth doesn't come out. " the late Dr. Ed D. Mitchell The 6th NASA employee to walk on the moon...
"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon

“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
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Yeah its been a couple weeks since I seen this and yeah.

No question.

Alien is one of the greatest movies of all time.

Ridley Scott is a genius.
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

Yeah its been a couple weeks since I seen this and yeah.

No question.

Alien is one of the greatest movies of all time.

Ridley Scott is a genius.
Agreed. He took what is essentially a cheesy B-movie concept and made it into an A-movie (is that a term?) Go back and watch a movie from 1957 called It! The Terror From Beyond Space. The similarities are impossible to miss. While both feature a man in a rubber suit, Scott took that concept and turned it into pure terror while building a remarkable science fiction world that can exist in the future. His use of lighting, his set design, and his cinematography are the big difference between that 1957 movie and his. Oh, and taking a page out of Spielberg's Jaws playbook and not really showing the monster until the end.
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Ripley's (Weaver, Sigourney) daughter was played by Weaver's mother.
huh?.....
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Ripley's (Weaver, Sigourney) daughter was played by Weaver's mother.
huh?.....
Must not have watched the Director's Cut? In that version of Aliens, there is a bunch of stuff not in the theatrical version, among which was Ripley inquiring about her daughter, and Burke telling her the bad news that her daughter, 11 when she last saw her, had grown up and died during Ripley's 57-years in suspended animation. Burke gave her a photo, which looked a lot like Sigourney Weaver, but was her mom.
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Watched Prometheus. Didn't fully understand going in that this movie is a direct prequel to Alien.
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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

MSFC Aggie said:

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Ripley's (Weaver, Sigourney) daughter was played by Weaver's mother.
huh?.....
Must not have watched the Director's Cut? In that version of Aliens, there is a bunch of stuff not in the theatrical version, among which was Ripley inquiring about her daughter, and Burke telling her the bad news that her daughter, 11 when she last saw her, had grown up and died during Ripley's 57-years in suspended animation. Burke gave her a photo, which looked a lot like Sigourney Weaver, but was her mom.
if you want to have some real fun….go download Alien: Isolation.

It's a canon video game where you play as Ripleys daughter in between Alien and Aliens……it's SOOOOOOOOO GOOOOOOOOOOD and as tense a horror game I've ever played……even if you don't like horror games (or video games in general) if you're a big fan of the first 2 Alien films you MUST play this
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