I don't care about BvS, I just think there's something off about his portrayal. It might just be the lack of context, but I feel like he's trying to do to the Joker what Eisenberg did to Lex.

Idk I guess we disagree. Leto is a terrific actor and has a far greater pedigree than Heath Ledger did before he knocked the role out of the park. I think anyone souring on Leto's joker is doing so based on a preconceived bias. (Because Leto himself hasn't done anything to make me question his acting acumen.)

We will find out. I certainly don't HATE it, it just seems off. I'm definitely willing to give it a shot and admit being wrong

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hmm I think Leto looks great. It seems like BvS has made people go out of their way to hate this movie.

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He looks ok, but what is he? We know nothing of his character but have him plastered all over this trailer. I'd much rather see less and get a little touch of who his Joker is.

Just like the first SS trailer, it's like they don't know what to show us.

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Out of all the complaints I've heard about SS's trailers, this one seems the weakest. We all know the Joker. He's motivated by chaos. His origin is ambiguous (always has been). And I don't think he's "plastered all over the place" but I certainly understand why WB would want to market his presence in the movie over a bunch of unknown characters such as boomerang, killer croc, slipknot, deadshot etc... the Joker is their headline guy in a movie without Batman (mostly). Makes sense and still keeps the mystery of his role in the film. (Is he aligned with SS? is he the main conflict villian? Who knows? We'll find out.)

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Yes, we know who the Joker is, but he's been played a variety of different ways.

I'm not asking for his origin, I'm asking for something to interest me. Make me want to know more about his character.

For example, this is what we got to introduce us to Ledger's Joker:


I sure as hell want to know more after that, but nothing in the SS trailers really intrigues me, unfortunately. The Bohemian Rhapsody one was fun, but I'm not sure that's actually the film we're going to get.

And to be clear, I'm not saying Leto won't be good as he could be fantastic. I've just seen zero evidence of what he'll be.

It makes sense to market the Joker's role, since people love the Joker, and I imagine he'll have a significant role in the movie, but the cost might be an utterly forgettable main villain. It also might lead to disappointed audiences if they continue to hint the Joker will be the main threat, but then pull the bait and switch and throw Enchantress at us as the big bad instead.

I do agree with the poster who pointed out it's a good thing WB hasn't shown us the entire movie in two trailers, though.

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hmm I think Leto looks great. It seems like BvS has made people go out of their way to hate this movie.

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He looks ok, but what is he? We know nothing of his character but have him plastered all over this trailer. I'd much rather see less and get a little touch of who his Joker is.

Just like the first SS trailer, it's like they don't know what to show us.

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That's the thing. The Joker is the campy 60s era Batman, he's the Joker from Batman, from The Dark Knight, and he's this Joker.

The one thing you need to remember about the Joker is that he's absolutely psychotically insane to an extent that he changes his actions and personality to the situation. One minute he may go with a dumb gag such as a whoopy cushion and the next he burns someone's face off with acid while raping them. In both situations he's laughing his ass off.

His origin and motives are meaningless outside of his obsession with Batman. It's also one of the reasons why Batman has such a hard time with the Joker, he's completely unpredictable.

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I sure as hell want to know more after that, but nothing in the SS trailers really intrigues me, unfortunately. The Bohemian Rhapsody one was fun, but I'm not sure that's actually the film we're going to get.

And to be clear, I'm not saying Leto won't be good as he could be fantastic. I've just seen zero evidence of what he'll be.

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Whether SS will tell a satisfying story or not, I have no idea. Even if we knew the overarching plot, that still wouldn't tell me if the movie tells a compelling story with developed characters. And I think the fluid/schizo tone portrayed in the trailers is a fair criticism. What type of story are we getting? A silly 'dirty dozen-esque' romp? or something more sinister? Good questions.

But I don't think re-hashing the motives of one of the most popular villains in the fictional world would help clear this up and I think it's for the better they leave as much of Leto in the shadows as possible before his character debut. For this alone, I'm buying a ticket.

As a casual comic fan, I only had a cursory knowledge of the Suicide Squad. (Individually I knew most of the members but almost none of their established story arc.) To me it was enough that DC:

• Established what is the "suicide squad"
• In what universe do they exist
• Why should I (the viewer) care
• Joker and Batman are in it

And I understand that might not be enough for everyone. We'll have to see...long story short: Leto as the Joker is the least of my concerns with this film.

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hmm I think Leto looks great. It seems like BvS has made people go out of their way to hate this movie.

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He looks ok, but what is he? We know nothing of his character but have him plastered all over this trailer. I'd much rather see less and get a little touch of who his Joker is.

Just like the first SS trailer, it's like they don't know what to show us.

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That's the thing. The Joker is the campy 60s era Batman, he's the Joker from Batman, from The Dark Knight, and he's this Joker.

The one thing you need to remember about the Joker is that he's absolutely psychotically insane to an extent that he changes his actions and personality to the situation. One minute he may go with a dumb gag such as a whoopy cushion and the next he burns someone's face off with acid while raping them. In both situations he's laughing his ass off.

His origin and motives are meaningless outside of his obsession with Batman. It's also one of the reasons why Batman has such a hard time with the Joker, he's completely unpredictable.

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Um, yeah, I don't need to be familiarized with the character My personal favorite description is from Arkham Asylum (the graphic novel, not the game) linked below.

And in any case, that's all irrelevant to my comments and if anything reinforces them. The Joker has been interpreted a variety of different ways as you mentioned, and we have no idea how he's being played or directed in SS. All we know is what we've seen, which at this point looks a little cartoony.

Some seem to think that those of us criticizing are just "wanting to hate". On the contrary I want to love this, I just need a reason to and WB hasn't done that for me yet . They certainly didn't create any confidence in them with BvS.

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Some seem to think that those of us criticizing are just "wanting to hate". On the contrary I want to love this, I just need a reason to and WB hasn't done that for me yet . They certainly didn't create any confidence in them with BvS.

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This is exactly what I'm talking about though. Suicide Squad can be a terrible movie, but still have a great Joker. (Or vice versa) Knowing the type of Joker you're going to get, won't determine the quality of the actual film. And like I said, I think they're banking on this. There are alot of people, like myself, who will pay for admission just to see Leto's Joker. I'm actually hoping they keep him under wraps.

This is very similar to Ben Affleck's Batman in BvS. The film is garbage but Affleck was widely lauded as being a great Bruce Wayne/Batman. Could be the case here, I hope not, but don't let the terrible stink from BvS wash into your perception of the Joker (who we've seen little of).

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Some seem to think that those of us criticizing are just "wanting to hate". On the contrary I want to love this, I just need a reason to and WB hasn't done that for me yet . They certainly didn't create any confidence in them with BvS.

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This is exactly what I'm talking about though. Suicide Squad can be a terrible movie, but still have a great Joker. (Or vice versa) Knowing the type of Joker you're going to get, won't determine the quality of the actual film. And like I said, I think they're banking on this. There are alot of people, like myself, who will pay for admission just to see Leto's Joker. I'm actually hoping they keep him under wraps.

This is very similar to Ben Affleck's Batman in BvS. The film is garbage but Affleck was widely lauded as being a great Bruce Wayne/Batman. Could be the case here, I hope not, but don't let the terrible stink from BvS wash into your perception of the Joker (who we've seen little of).

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If they actually made that choice and just teased the character that would be one thing, but they just gave us like 10 shots of him in the last 30 seconds of the SS trailer. And unfortunately the more I see the less excited I get. I know Leto can act, I'd love to get some kind of taste of that that makes me actually want to see him or the movie.

I also don't think the audience who's excited about Joker is as big as you think it is.

Leto as Joker isn't my biggest concern for the film so I'll give you that, the film is my biggest concern for the film. And as someone who sees almost every superhero movie, this is one I'm 50/50 on right now.

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This is very similar to Ben Affleck's Batman in BvS. The film is garbage but Affleck was widely lauded as being a great Bruce Wayne/Batman. Could be the case here, I hope not, but don't let the terrible stink from BvS wash into your perception of the Joker (who we've seen little of).

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Whether or not Batfleck was the best thing to come out of that film is rather beside the point. There are some valid criticisms I feel of Batfleck, first and foremost is how his motivation is very vague and thin. That's of course not to mention that Batman using a pair of 40mm auto cannons in the Batwing on bad guys in trucks and branding the bad guys he catches as well.

I mean, look at Lex in the film. That character, to me, was almost a generic as they come and largely just psychotic with no real aim or goal to speak of in the film.

Then we could also talk about how Superman freaking snapped Zod's neck....

You're right, I guess we should not be concerned since Batfleck was the best thing to come out of BvS..... I mean, why should we ever be concerned about the portrayal of characters in Snyder's DCEU? (And it is very much his at this point with MoS, BvS, and at least JL pt 1.)

I believe those criticisms belong at the feet of the script/director. The use of guns was something that could not be controlled by Affleck and his portrayal of the character. I thought he did a great job with what he was given. At the very least, I WANT to see more of Affleck's Batman. I'm hoping we'll at least get the same with Leto's Joker.

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If they actually made that choice and just teased the character that would be one thing, but they just gave us like 10 shots of him in the last 30 seconds of the SS trailer. And unfortunately the more I see the less excited I get. I know Leto can act, I'd love to get some kind of taste of that that makes me actually want to see him or the movie.

I also don't think the audience who's excited about Joker is as big as you think it is.

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Fair points. I actually like what I've seen so far, so just a difference of opinion. But I'm far from convinced Leto will pull it off...I just think he can/will.

I have way more confidence in David Ayer after Fury than Zack Snyder after Man of Steel. I think that will have more to do with the success of the movie than what type of Joker iteration we get.

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I have way more confidence in David Ayer after Fury than Zack Snyder after Man of Steel. I think that will have more to do with the success of the movie than what type of Joker iteration we get.

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I have zero faith in WB, however, and they're the ones that will have final say. The fact that we're hearing about reshoots to modify the tone of the film makes it sound like they're already getting involved.

BvS sure looked like a movie that was made by committee.

I don't think the note about reshoots is correct, though. Remember that that same source claimed that the first trailer contained nearly all the jokes. Here's a second trailer with a lot of punchlines.

That said, I just found out that David Ayer also did End of Watch (strong) and Sabotage (not strong). So nobody's perfect.

I'm cautiously optimistic. Or maybe cautiously not-pessimistic.

Sorry, screwed up trying to post the link. Not sure if posted already but Drew McWeeny over at HitFix disputes the reshoots joke story. I believe he was one of the first ones to report rumblings of how bad BvS may be and how it could really hurt the whole planned DCEU.

http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/harley-quinn-continues-to-dominate-in-new-suicide-squad-trailer#YyPLsPLGZfAyeMz7.99

All I know is that I'm officially starting a petition to ban the following overused, most cliche shot in modern day action cinema: the slow motion shot of someone swiping a sword while the hero arches backward just enough for the sword to barely swish by their face. What type of lazy unimaginative filmmaking is that if you still include that shot in your movie? Is the audience supposed to be wowed by that after seeing it approximately 5,247 times over the past 20 years?

As for the movie, Margot Robbie is going to kill it...the rest, well, remains to be seen.

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Yeah, I really like this trailer, and like what I'm seeing overall, but the one thing that has me worried is that we still have no idea what the main threat is. This newest trailer goes out of its way to make it look like the squad itself is interacting with / facing off against the Joker in a couple of places, but that's clearly not the case. It's just editing tricks. So why be so coy with the actual crisis?

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Because that wouldn't change my opinion on whether or not I want to see the film and not all of us like reading the screenplay before watching the movie. To be honest this is the perfect kind of trailer for me, introduce some characters, set the tone, and paint with a verrrry broad brush.

I should clarify my concern. It's not because I want to know who the major threat is. Rather, my fear is that the threat is too convoluted to mention in the trailer in the first place. And the best plots are usually the ones that are the simplest to convey, conceptually. Even a "complicated" plot like the one for The Dark Knight came down to "Batman vs the Joker." You could watch the trailer for that movie and everyone's motivations were crystal clear going into it. Time and again, I watch trailers that are "cool" but I still don't quite understand the basic story. And I think, "Oh, well they're just being coy." But nine times out of ten it turns out that nope, the story was too convoluted for a trailer, and thus too convoluted for the movie itself. So I'm just worried that's the case here.

That may be the case, and would at least be a better scenario.

Personally, and I tend to be a fan of popcorn films that aren't genuinely good movies, this all just feels like it's trying to hard. I'd love to be wrong and for it to be awesome, but it feels like they're trying to make Joker seem more a part of the story than he most likely is and are trying a tone that's tough to pull off.

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That may be the case, and would at least be a better scenario.

Personally, and I tend to be a fan of popcorn films that aren't genuinely good movies, this all just feels like it's trying to hard. I'd love to be wrong and for it to be awesome, but it feels like they're trying to make Joker seem more a part of the story than he most likely is and are trying a tone that's tough to pull off.

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The joker isn't the main villain, obviously. It seems clear Harley is the main member of the squad. I'm wondering if the Joker is just in it mostly as part of her back story. He doesn't belong anywhere else.

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As for the movie, Margot Robbie is going to kill it...the rest, well, remains to be seen.

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I've liked what I've seen from Jai Courtney as Captain Boomerang.

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I've liked what I've seen from Jai Courtney as Captain Boomerang.

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We're sure that's not Sam Worthington?

I would have loved for the Joker to basically play The Wolf role from Pulp Fiction. The Suicide Squad fails their first mission, goes off the grid, goes to the Joker for help, have to do something crazy to earn his trust, they go back and complete the original mission with the Joker, but he ends up betraying them all.

does anybody know when suicide squad takes place? is it after the events of batman v. superman or before?

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does anybody know when suicide squad takes place? is it after the events of batman v. superman or before?

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It's at least after MoS, so I would assume there isn't much of a gap between MoS and BvS to make much of a difference? (Although I guess if they wanted to explain why Superman isn't going to stop them, it would make sense to do it after BvS)

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does anybody know when suicide squad takes place? is it after the events of batman v. superman or before?

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FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, IT'S RIGHT BEFORE THE EVENTS IN STAR WARS - A NEW HO....

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does anybody know when suicide squad takes place? is it after the events of batman v. superman or before?

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It takes place after BvS.

So...any buzz out there? Positive or negative?

This movie seemed interesting from the first trailer. I was looking forward to a dark, gritty film. Since then, the tone has changed considerably and it now almost seems goofy. Also, trying to portray Viola Davis as some kind of menacing, intimidating character is just laughable. She can barely act and sounds like she's just reciting lines while making an overly serious face.

I will be surprised if this movie is decent.

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Margot Robie in underwear = Win!