Great analysis, Alias.

I totally agree that the Joker being part of the Suicide Squad would play against type, and not in a good way, but what if he never actually joins? What if he's kind of a solo third party screwing things up for everyone. Or maybe he's even the target of the Suicide Squad? What if he's broken out of jail/the asylum, is wreaking some major havoc, and they assemble the Suicide Squad to take him out? Then again, seeing as this is immediately following Batman v Superman, why wouldn't they just get Batman/Superman/Wonder Woman to take him (or whatever the threat of SS end up being) out? My guess is that the ending of Batman v Superman either somehow renders Batman unable to go after the Joker (or whoever) in SS, and maybe Superman is off chasing something in outer space? Who knows?

Joker tying into the Suicide Squad doesn't make much sense. However, I wonder if you'll see a Joker who is pulling strings and manipulating Waller to get access to the Suicide Squad.

Joker uses the Earth-shattering events of BvS as the opportune time to break out of Arkham, as the brewing events of Justice League keep Batman from pursuing him (I already hate this...), so Waller puts the squad together to go and take him out. Deadshot, Harley Quinn, Deathstroke... I don't know, maybe Firefly and a couple of others are sent after Joker. They manage to bring him in (after losing a couple of members) and Joker turns the tables and gets access to the detonator for the bombs in their heads. Movie ends with Joker laughing about how it's time to take back Gotham, or something. Maybe he plants a bomb in Waller's head as the final ironic twist.

That sucks, but that's how I see DC/WB doing it if Joker is involved. It will be an "I planned this all along" twist with the Joker coming out on top and with some assets to help him. This is because they need to show that Joker is somehow a match for Batman, while also explaining how if he's Batman's equal, why has he been locked away for so long? And he HAS to have been locked away for a long time (probably after having killed a Robin), or Batman couldn't be playing Big Brother instead of taking it to the streets.

Maybe the joker has been catatonic since Batman retired, and batman's return in BvS wakes joker up. Then Joker sets some sort of plan in motion to bring all the other crazies back to the surface.

I'm not a fan of shoehorning the joker into a villain ensemble movie as his introduction to the new DCverse, though. Especially after reading reports that they rewrote the script after picking up a new director just to get him in there. Sounds like they're just desperate for the tickets they know a name like The Joker will sell.

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Maybe the joker has been catatonic since Batman retired, and batman's return in BvS wakes joker up. Then Joker sets some sort of plan in motion to bring all the other crazies back to the surface

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I like that.

I would like to see Marvel keep announcing it's moving one of it's big releases to the same weekend as BvS or Justice League to see DC's reaction.

Is this good news?

http://collider.com/harley-quinn-suicide-squad-movie-margot-robbie/

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Is this good news?

http://collider.com/harley-quinn-suicide-squad-movie-margot-robbie/

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Yep. She's the best addition to batman in the last 20 years outside of maybe the court of owls or the initial run of Hush.

I'm glad they are at least going to have Harley in it, that's a positive development. Is she a good fit for the role? Not sure, Harley is a special kind of crazy (as the article does a good job in pointing out) and if she's written poorly it'll have the chance to ruin the whole film.

Also, if you've seen the recent animated Suicide Squad film, you can see how the Joker can tie into the film. I don't think they'll do a almost horrifying Joker similar to Ledger's. I think it's a good chance he could end up like the Joker from Under the Red Hood. Although, since they have been trying to steal ideas from The Dark Knight Returns, maybe it'll be closer to that version.

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Maybe the joker has been catatonic since Batman retired, and batman's return in BvS wakes joker up. Then Joker sets some sort of plan in motion to bring all the other crazies back to the surface

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I like that.

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That is what happened in TDKR, so it would follow their pattern of trying to make TDKR without making it.

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Is this good news?

http://collider.com/harley-quinn-suicide-squad-movie-margot-robbie/

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Yep. She's the best addition to batman in the last 20 years outside of maybe the court of owls or the initial run of Hush.

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Definitely up there. She really has the right look for the character too, as shown from that first article picture.

Harley has been a great character. If they decide to introduce her and the Joker, I sure as hell hope they have the same chemistry they have in the comics

Good choice. Definitely the right look. If anything she'll be sexy on screen.

Harley's a good character. While Joker will still probably be bsc, I wouldn't expect quite the same type of Joker you got with Ledger since Harley's involved with him. Interested to see the take on it.

Why do people keep trying to make Jai Courtney happen? He's so damn bland and bro-ish. I really don't get it. That said, this Suicide Squad is potentially shaping up to be pretty insane. Granted, none of these are even close to set in stone yet, but Variety claims each of these actors are in some level of talks for these respective roles...

Tom Hardy = Rick Flag
Will Smith = Captain Boomerang
Jesse Eisenberg = Lex Luthor
Jared Leto = The Joker
Margot Robbie = Harley Quinn
Jai Courtney = Deadshot

I have no idea who half those characters are, but Variety has a few more details in their report...

http://variety.com/2014/film/news/jai-courtney-eyed-for-batman-villain-deadshot-in-suicide-squad-exclusive-1201354892/

Really, if this cast somehow sticks, this movie could be HUGE. Who would have thought?

Also, it looks like the Wonder Woman director is potentially set, and I don't think they could have gone with a better choice: female director Michelle McLaren, who has directed some of the very best Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad episodes over the years. Whether the script is up to par is another issue entirely...

http://variety.com/2014/film/news/warner-bros-wonder-woman-1201282507/

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Also, it looks like the Wonder Woman director is potentially set, and I don't think they could have gone with a better choice: female director Michelle McLaren, who has directed some of the very best Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad episodes over the years. Whether the script is up to par is another issue entirely...

http://variety.com/2014/film/news/warner-bros-wonder-woman-1201282507/

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Having a female director will score them points. Marvel caught some heat when it parted ways with Patty Jenkins on Thor 2.

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Why do people keep trying to make Jai Courtney happen? He's so damn bland and bro-ish. I really don't get it. That said, this Suicide Squad is potentially shaping up to be pretty insane. Granted, none of these are even close to set in stone yet, but Variety claims each of these actors are in some level of talks for these respective roles...

Tom Hardy = Rick Flag
Will Smith = Captain Boomerang
Jesse Eisenberg = Lex Luthor
Jared Leto = The Joker
Margot Robbie = Harley Quinn
Jai Courtney = Deadshot

I have no idea who half those characters are, but Variety has a few more details in their report...

http://variety.com/2014/film/news/jai-courtney-eyed-for-batman-villain-deadshot-in-suicide-squad-exclusive-1201354892/

Really, if this cast somehow sticks, this movie could be HUGE. Who would have thought?

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Hardy in another Batman movie would be weird. Cue the theories that he's actually playing Bane and they're going to tie in the Nolanverse...

That can't be right at all. Courtney is an Aussie, as is Captain Boomerang, and Will Smith would actually be a really good Deadshot. If they reverse those castings I will be shocked, to be honest I would be shocked if Will Smith would agree to be that character at all, that seems below his billing.

I just can't understand WB's casting with these movies, if this in fact ends up happening. i believe Courtney way more than I believe Smith will be in this move at this point.

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That can't be right at all. Courtney is an Aussie, as is Captain Boomerang, and Will Smith would actually be a really good Deadshot. If they reverse those castings I will be shocked, to be honest I would be shocked if Will Smith would agree to be that character at all, that seems below his billing.

I just can't understand WB's casting with these movies, if this in fact ends up happening. i believe Courtney way more than I believe Smith will be in this move at this point.

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If it were true, you'd capture a guy like Smith by doing something totally different with the character. Whoever plays Boomerang, they're not gonna go with the character as presented in the comics. They'll find some way for him to be something else... convince him that he can do for Boomerang what Ledger did for the Joker.

That's a stretch, though. Seems tough to make a competent supervillain out of Boomerang, but I guess we'll see what Flash does with it this season.

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That can't be right at all. Courtney is an Aussie, as is Captain Boomerang, and Will Smith would actually be a really good Deadshot. If they reverse those castings I will be shocked, to be honest I would be shocked if Will Smith would agree to be that character at all, that seems below his billing.

I just can't understand WB's casting with these movies, if this in fact ends up happening. i believe Courtney way more than I believe Smith will be in this move at this point.

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If it were true, you'd capture a guy like Smith by doing something totally different with the character. Whoever plays Boomerang, they're not gonna go with the character as presented in the comics. They'll find some way for him to be something else... convince him that he can do for Boomerang what Ledger did for the Joker.

That's a stretch, though. Seems tough to make a competent supervillain out of Boomerang, but I guess we'll see what Flash does with it this season.

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I have to be honest, I'm getting a little tired of Heath Ledger's Joker being the go to excuse for unexpected castings, yes at the time it was a surprise, but he was still the Joker, just one of the more violent-crazy versions. He was fantastic, but he is an exception, not the rule. Captain Boomerang should be a secondary character in the SS, and if WB keeps trying to cast these characters as off-the-wall choses, they are going to lose the movie. One of the reasons Marvel Studios is so successful is that they cast really well, and the one time they really messed around with a character, they got backlash. Will Smith is a guy who can carry a movie, and Deadshot is the leader of the SS (unless they cast Rick Flag, he may be the leader, in any case Deadshot is one of the main guys.)

I just can't see how WB could cast Will Smith as Boomerang and Courtney as Deadshot when they should be clearly be the other characters. It would just be a weird move, at least to me.

I agree. Just theorizing.

I do think Smith can be money whipped into things though.

That is true, he can be convinced with some dollar bills, it would just be weird.

The movie is guaranteed to be weird in any case.

Just have to agree with everyone else that Will Smith as Captain Boomerang and Jai Courtney (an Australian) as Deadshot makes absolutely no sense at all... Deadshot is the leader, and the most well known of the SS, with the exception of maybe Harley. This feels like DC is trying to fool the media outlets and fanboys, but for the life of me I can't understand why?

If they do end up casting it this way, well I just don't get it at all. It's almost like they were sitting in a meeting, came up with the casting ideas, and said "Well that makes sense, and it's what everyone would expect... so lets totally flip it! Marvel would never do that!"

But if so, I'm looking forward to Big Willie Style pulling this off:

And I'm still confused how DC casts a bunch of nobodies for their iconic characters, yet then somehow gets some of the biggest names in Hollywood to do an ensemble film about a bunch of D-list villains...

but either way this is actually shaping up to be something I'm really looking forward to.

I just don't understand why SS is in the spot it is in the lineup, why right after BvS? Unless you're a fan of the comics no one is going to know who these guys are (maybe fans of Arrow, to some extent at least) and I'm not sure it's going to appeal to anyone.

Maybe that's why you have these big named actors in this, if you had Will Smith as Hal Jordan you'd have to pay him SO MUCH MONEY, but if you get freaking emo gay kid from Perks of Being a Wallflower to be The Flash, you don't have to pay him nearly as much. Meanwhile, the no named characters get casted with big named actors and while Captain Boomerang is not a box office magnet, Will Smith certainly is, so you spend more money on the actors here so the film will make money, meanwhile everyone will go see the Flash regardless.

Which is why WB is terrible at this. But these are all casting rumors at this point (even though Variety is pretty reliable) so let's wait and see what happens I guess.

You're probably exactly right... But I just still don't get anything about their casting. Marvel knocks it out of the park everytime. I do understand they probably need Will Smith and Tom Hardy to sell SS, but it's still weird having them in those roles while Jason Mamoa, Gal Gadot, Ezra Whatever and Ray Fisher (who??) get solo Justice League movies... Seriously, look at Ray Fisher's IMDB page.

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So... I wasn't gonna say anything but I think it deserves to be addressed. That kid may be a pretty good actor, but wow he's flamboyantly gay. I mean I can't be the only one who's noticed right?

Well I was describing his character in the movie, not himself literally, I just couldn't remember his name. Honestly outside of seeing him in We Need to Talk about Kevin and Perks of Being a Wallflower, I don't know anything about him. He was good in both movies, but did I ever imagine him being The Flash? No way.

He's basically like that in real life...

I wouldn't put it past WB to actually make The Flash a gay character. With Wonder Woman, they're beating Marvel to the punch with the first female-led comic book movie (in this new era - Elektra doesn't really count). And by making The Flash gay, they'd get an insane amount of buzz (good or bad) for the first-ever gay superhero. Basically, if there's an edge they can get on Marvel, playing the female/gay card might just be it. That said, the flack WB would get for not only changing the character, but having a gay character lead a superhero movie probably wouldn't be worth it. But if they kind of hint at it in JL, and let the character come slowly out of the closet, so to speak, who knows.

Also, I'm pretty sure Ezra Miller was cast in WB's big-budget take on Akira, which was scrapped at the last minute. So they've been trying to make a star out of him for a while. Sounds like they're super keen on him for whatever reason, and it may just be as simple as that.

They recently made one of the Green Lanterns, Alan Scott, gay. So I'm thinking they'd just use him instead of doing it a second time with Flash.

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if WB messed around with any of the characters at this point, because they just hate sticking to the characters in the DC comics for whatever reason.

I wonder sometimes if DC wishes they had control over their properties the way Marvel does.

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I'd hardly call Christian Bale a nobody at the time of Batman Begins, granted it just launch him into the next tier of stardom, and Val Kilmer was in his prime at Batman Forever.

Pretty sure that post was just referring to the upcoming slate of DC films, the ones they are putting out to compete with the current Marvel film universe.

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I'd hardly call Christian Bale a nobody at the time of Batman Begins, granted it just launch him into the next tier of stardom, and Val Kilmer was in his prime at Batman Forever.

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The Nolan Batman is just it's own stand alone story (Like The Dark Knight Returns for Frank Miller) and uses Batman in a different way from the rest of the canon. As far as the rest of this DCU, everything is just odd so far, at a minimum.

yeah I was referring to this new and upcoming DCU that's all connected.