For those who don’t have the chance to catch it in IMAX - or for those who just want to see it again - here are all working links I can find of the recorded, bootleg version of the Star Trek Into Darkness prologue. Paramount has been systematically shutting down the YouTube links, so who knows how long these non-YouTube version will be up...

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k3jNUQ7Ile0rH53DdLT

http://proxy-06.nyc.dailymotion.com/sec(2964972328548a757fbe02eed090f3bb)/video/147/676/53676741_mp4_h264_aac.flv
(source file from the link above)

http://uploaded.net/file/iuoc8nyk/Star.Trek.Into.Darkness.2013.10MiN.PREVIEW.CAM.XViD-RESiSTANCE.avi
(large, downloadable file)

Just FYI, in the actual scene, there’s no dialogue until Benedict Cumberbatch’s character speaks. It’s not a problem with the file audio; that’s the way the scene is. Overall, I wasn’t quite as wowed as I was after seeing the TDK and TDKR prologues, but it’s still an awesome, kinetic intro, and the bootleg version certainly doesn’t do the IMAX theater experience justice...

If you're going to make a ****ty bootleg version of a movie/prologue, shut the **** up!!!

Jesus christ. I don't want to hear your commentary. I just want to hear what's being said on screen.

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[This message has been edited by Kampfers (edited 12/15/2012 2:02p).]

Very interesting. Definitely could have done without that hyena laughing throughout the entire thing though.

Just so there's no confusion, I didn't actually make this recording.

Was awesome in the theater

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Oh, I know, and I appreciate you posting the link here. I just think Cstrickland05 was spot on with regards to his hyena comment

I bet it could've been better if JJ Abrams wasn't so secretive and such. It probably took some serious cajoling to even do it. No telling if what we saw was a finished product either or if it was edited.

FOOK YEAH!!!!!

What the hell was so funny that girl couldn't stop laughing? Did I miss something?

Also don't see how that can be Khan since he's supposed to be on the Botany Bay

The whole timeline was changed in the first movie.

They can do whatever they want

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Not to get all nerdy, but technically, everything up until Kirk's birth was exactly same. That's when the original timeline diverted. And wasn't Khan already in Botany Bay before that point? I've never watched the original series (or the original Khan episode), so I'm not 100% sure the order of events, but it's a bit more complicated than "the whole timeline was changed, everything's different now." Anything before Kirk's birth - that hasn't come into contact with the events of the '09 movie - should, in theory, still be the same as it was in the orignal timeline.

The Romulans waited 20 years for Spock/Kirk. They had plenty of time to change everything

Can't believe I just Wikipedia-ed this, but yeah - I wanted to get all this straight if only for myself...


- Sometime in the immediate years following the mid-1990s, Khan and 84 of his fellow genetically-engineered "supermen" escape Earth in the Botany Bay, cryogenically frozen aboard the ship.

- Well over 250 years later, in 2267, Khan and his crew are revived by Kirk and the crew of the Enterprise. The episode Space Seed, from the original series, chronicles this event, and is Khan's first appearance in canon. Khan and his crew are defeated and exiled by Kirk at episode's end.

- Fifteen years later, Khan escapes his exile, and seeks his revenge on Kirk. These are the events of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.

- The year 2233 is when the events of the '09 Star Trek movie begin. 2233 is the year the timeline diverges. The bulk of the movie, however, takes place in 2258 (with Kirk & crew in the their mid-20s).

- Star Trek Into Darkness is set a year after the first movie, in 2259 - EIGHT YEARS before Kirk & crew first discovered Khan and the Botany Bay in the original timeline.


So... if it is Khan again this go-around, I don't see how he's going to be seeking revenge on Kirk in the same way as before, considering Kirk hasn't yet re-animated Khan, and thus, hasn't exiled him either. In this new version of the timeline, in the year 2259, Khan should either still be floating around, still cryogenically frozen aboard the Botany Bay - which we know isn't the case based on his apparent appearance in the prologue - or someone else has already re-animated him, and Khan is now seeking revenge on Kirk & crew for a different reason. Not to mention, for today's audience, who are watching this series well after the mid-90s, we know the "Eugenics War" of the mid-90s never happened, and thus no Khan, so I don't know how they're going to explain away that one either (not that it really matters). That is, if Cumberbatch even is Khan...

[This message has been edited by TCTTS (edited 12/16/2012 1:29p).]

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Definitely a possibility.

It's been speculated that Star Trek First Contact is when the timeline was altered which led to enterprise and the new movies are all following that new timeline but either way Khan had already left Earth 60+ years before Picard came back in time to fight the Borg. But I agree anything is possible at this point. I guess I just really don't want it to be Khan.

If Khan, I'm guessing someone else found him and thawed him and the revenge bit isn't between him and kirk but between him and humanity.

I bet they save khan for the third movie

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Khan is all but confirmed this go-around. More than a couple, prominent, trustworthy movie sites are all saying they've been told from various sources with proven track records that it's Khan. It's going to be a very different twist on the character, but all signs point to Khan for Into Darkness. Granted, it could all be misinformation, but it'd have to a MASSIVE, calculated, misinformation campaign. Abrams is certainly prone to that kind of thing, but not on this scale.

Don't forget that Khan is his title not his first name. Khan just means commander or leader. It's conceivable that there is more than one Khan.

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Don't forget that Khan is his title not his first name. Khan just means commander or leader. It's conceivable that there is more than one Khan.

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That's actually pretty cool. Didn't know that. Definitely opens up how the character could be interpreted.

RyanAg....uh, what? Could you please provide more info here?

His name is Khan Noonien Singh, his real name.

I can see where Ryan's coming from; after all, so many titles for leader derived from Caesar, right? I don't necessarily buy that it's the direction Abrams is going with, though.

I understand the principle. I just don't think its Trek lore. But I'm no trekkie

Think like Genghis Khan. The one caveat to him being another Khan is that the word is Asian/Eastern European in origin. I don't think Cumberbatch looks the part of someone who comes from that region.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khan_(title)

It's mentioned in the original episode that Khan controlled a quarter of the world during the Eugenics Wars.

I think it may be possible that John Harrison/Cumberbatch may be another one of these super tyrants that rivaled Khan in another part of the world. Basically, Harrison may not technically be called Khan, but he could be a Khan-like figure. I guess you could stretch the "he's playing Khan" argument that way.

I get that. You said his name is not Kahn. Pretty suret that's incorrect. It may be a double entendre but I'm pretty sure his name is Kahn

Everything I've read about Cumberbatch's character is not in line with the philosophy of Khan, so while this may be Abrams' take on the archetypal "Khan-esque" story there is just too much shouting otherwise for me to believe that it will be him.

That being said, the line "is there anything you would not do for your family?" was eerily reminiscent of Khan for some reason. I can't put my finger on it.

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A lot of prominent movie bloggers / Trekkie-types are starting to agree on a possible theory. Basically, they're thinking that Camberbatch's John Harrison is actually a character named John Harrison. It's not a cover for Khan. However, Harrison is still one of the genetically engineered "supermen" from the Botany Bay.

We know that a portion of the film takes place on the Klingon's home planet, and that this sequence (or sequences) involves Harrison, Kirk, Spock, etc. It's being speculated that the Klingons are the ones who found the Botany Bay this go-around, and it was Harrison who was awoken this time instead of Khan. Somehow Harrison ends up in Starfleet - possibly plucked from the Botany Bay / Klingons by Peter Weller's still-shrouded-in-mystery character - and Harrison is seeking revenge on Starfleet for whatever reason.

Harrison goes through with his terrorist act(s) in San Francisco - and possibly London - and then after that point Harrison is essentially trying to get back to the Klingon home world to free/awaken the rest of his fellow "supermen" / "family"... which includes Khan. Like Harrison is paving the way for the return of his master kind-of-thing.

Granted, there are still a ton of holes to be filled, but based on what we've seen in all the recent footage, this general theory really does make the most sense. Also, if this does essentially turn out to be true, how cool would be if Khan is actually awoken by the end of the film? Maybe it'd be some kind of cool cameo - what if Benicio Del Toro really is still playing Khan? Whether he'd die in this one, or live for part three, is a whole other story.

Either way, there'd be a lot parallels between Kirk and Harrison, thematically, with both men needing to be willing to sacrifice themselves for their "families" (Kirk's crew, Harrison's fellow "supermen"), which seems to be a big theme in this movie.

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That passes the eyeball test for me. That would be fantastic.

^^ TCTTS - That would be an awesome movie, and a great set up for a part 3.

Would be funny to see Leonard Nimoy show up when Khan's revealed and say "Oh S***" (Don't really want to see that, just a funny thought.)

It really would be an awesome movie. It hits all the checkmarks, makes the most sense based on what the writers have all hinted at so far, and doesn't step on the whole Khan thing too much, as many people were worried a Khan do-over would. It's not a retread, and even "honors" the lore of Khan in a really cool way.

Then again, I don't want to get everyone expecting something that may not be. Yes, as of now, this scenario makes the most sense, but who knows what Abrams & co really have in store...

Saw it pointed out that the dad from the 9 min prologue is seen in a star fleet uniform in the new trailer. Perhaps cumberpatch bribes the dad with a cure for his daughter to sneak him into star fleet for his plan (would explain how a eugenics warrior would be in star fleet)

Would definitely make sense.