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Have we talked about how the cops knew to show up at the Nazi compound? I guess someone heard all of the gunshots? Not really important, but just wondering how the cops got there so quickly.

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I guess there's a chance Lydia called them? Seems unlikely but maybe. She didn't have anything to lose at that point.

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Oh, about a 1000 rounds of ammunition from a really big gun enclosed in a small area.

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This was my assumption, but it's also my assumption that their compound would be extremely isolated from the rest of the public.

To answer the question regarding Jesse...he's fine!

He was on SNL last night selling a new form of meth!

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Cops got there about two minutes after Walt hung up on her so I don't think that's realistic.

Someone's been on Reddit.

I'm about the biggest lost fan there is, but breaking bad trashed it. Not fair to compare premium cable shows, in my opinion. Different dynamic.

What am I missing in that gif?

the gif was not meant to be funny. It was on a thread saying what to do after the series finale

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I guess there's a chance Lydia called them?

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Cops got there about two minutes after Walt hung up on her so I don't think that's realistic.

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Probably not. But we actually don't know how long he was in the lab. It was a jump cut from Walt walking toward the lab to being in it.

I thought this was a great finale because it was the right kind of predictable, ie it was inevitable. This show has had shocking moments to be sure but it's really always been about the idea that once Walt broke bad, his fate was inevitable and everyone around him would be negatively affected. The show was great because it never let Walt off the hook. Even though he may have had a slight 'redemption' in this episode, he still had to deal with the consequences of his actions. He died alone and hated by everyone, and it was not a surprise. Like the song at the end said, he got what he deserved.

Did anyone not know why he was rigging up?

My wife was shocked.

Ah, yeah. They really don't work without the title.

So what do others feel about Gretchen and husband?

The question is, did they somehow screw Walt?

He certainly believes they did. The early episodes have him talking to a chemistry class and digressing into how a corporation screwed the man who invented synthetic diamonds, as the hot principal watches with some concern.

Walt begins the series as a Caspar Milquetoast. Hank makes fun of him; Walter Junior clearly admires Hank; Walt resents it. The cancer diagnosis liberates him in a sense, frees him to live out a Walter Mitty series of adventures.

The question is whether Gretchen and Eliot really screwed Walt. Gretchen fiercely denies it; the two of them offer to pay Walt's medical bills; Eliot offers Walt a job. Walt, however, in his pride, would rather take the route of death and destruction instead of taking what Gretchen and Eliot believe they owe him. (Or do they really feel they owe him? Maybe their offer is just pity?)

The scene from Charlie Rose is meant to make the audience see things more from Walt's POV, but to me it is perfectly reasonable that they want to distance their corporation from a king of the underworld.

It is clear that Walt deeply resents the two of them, but it just is not clear to me how reliable his interpretation of the past is.

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Didn't gilligan say once that Walt quit because Gretchen's parents talked down to him for not coming from money? Maybe I imagined that.

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He was a 1/3 partner in that and Gretchen said that it was his company as well during the show. I dont think he feels they screwed him over but that life kinda did. He did many things to get Grey Matter to where it was but didnt see the fruition of it because he needed to leave for his family

Honestly, I think Gretchen just chose Elliot over Walt, and Walt threw a hissy fit.

He regretted leaving and they felt bad he left.

I think someone was asking was happened to Huell a few pages back. Well, he's still waiting.

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I was wondering location of the compound myself, but several hundred large caliber rounds would be pretty noticeable even for someone driving by an adjacent road.

And I thought the finale was perfect. As Gilligan said, it was a show that told an A to Z story and he felt it should end with a fitting conclusion.

Jesse killing Todd was just poetically perfect, loved the ricin in Lydia's tea too. Just a beautifully executed episode IMO.

So where's the money?

Doesnt matter Walt only needed $747K to provide for his family. Jr is getting 9 mil

I guess the police find it. What a shame.

I don't know if this is the right thread for me to put this in but oh well. I liked Breaking Bad much much better than I liked the wire. I watched all of the episodes of The Wire one time and have absolutely no desire to ever watch any of them again. I have already watched almost every episode of Breaking Bad at least once and plan on watching them all at least one more time when I get the collectors edition blu ray set in November. All in all BB>>>>>>>>>The Wire. Flame away.

Elliot & Gretchen believed they owed Walt something, that he'd made some meaningful contribution to Gray Matter. Saying that he'd done nothing but inspire the name of the company was deceitful and done to further their own already outrageous wealth. In my mind, that indicates they probably did exploit Walt. Keep in mind, ineffectual and accommodating precancer Walt was probably an easy target. And he believed they'd screwed him and his family way back before he'd really broken bad.

I didn't think they deserved to die, but being scared ****less and co-opted into funneling Walt's money to the White family seems like justice to me.

http://www.amctv.com/breaking-bad/videos/spoilers-inside-episode-516-breaking-bad-felina

Why are so many people saying Walt redeemed himself? That isn't how I see it at all.

I'm glad it came full circle with Gretchen and Elliott. I thought that Gray Matter was at the center of the entire series. I think Walt would've killed one or both of them had they fought back while he was in their house. The only reason he didn't was because they were a means to supply his family with the money.

Sure, Walt admitted to Skyler that he did it for himself, but that doesn't come close to making up for all of the havoc and misery he's brought on everyone.

Even if she deserved it, which she did, he still murdered Lydia. I think his reasoning for doing so was partly out of pride because she went against his wishes and was still selling his blue. Remember how adamant he was about it being his formula?

And I thought it was very clear that Walt intended to kill Jesse along with everyone else, but he just couldn't go through with it when he saw what was really going on. During the final scene in the lab, he seemed like a man who was content with how things ended up. Looking through the equipment, he seemed very fond of and somewhat proud of what he had built.

From a series finality standpoint, it was good to see those loose ends tied up and for him to go out on his own terms, which goes all the way back to what he said during the intervention in the first season, but I just don't see any redeeming qualities there. He died as a terrible man, in my opinion.

Don't get me wrong though... I love the series, and I thought the finale was excellent and very appropriate.

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You're forgetting a scene in an earlier episode (and I forget which one) in which he's arguing with Jesse or someone about continuing in the meth business and expressed his regret over selling his share in GM to "pay the rent." They may have been other issues contributing to the decision to leave Gray Matter, but it was his decision.

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I haven't seen The Wire or The Sopranos, but until I do watch them, Breaking Bad is the best show I've ever seen. The finale sealed that for me. Perfect in every way.

Don't bother watching Homeland to see if it deserves to be in the conversation (sorry Bunk). It doesn't, by a long shot, thanks to the second season. The first season was great, but the second season clearly turned into "24"-plus nudity and cursing. In other words, it had at least one eye-rolling moment per episode. Add in Claire Danes' horrible cry-face, the cliché and completely pointless hit-and-run subplot, how miserably annoying they made the daughter, and the cliché and overly cheesy V.P. of the U.S., and the second season was a major letdown. Again, just my opinion, nothing to fight over.

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I don't know if this is the right thread for me to put this in but oh well. I liked Breaking Bad much much better than I liked the wire. I watched all of the episodes of The Wire one time and have absolutely no desire to ever watch any of them again. I have already watched almost every episode of Breaking Bad at least once and plan on watching them all at least one more time when I get the collectors edition blu ray set in November. All in all BB>>>>>>>>>The Wire. Flame away.

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You can't go wrong with either, but The Wire is so different. You either get The Wire, & a lot if people did. Or you don't. Youre either a Godfather or Scarface kind of person. I enjoy both.

Not bashing anyone who enjoys BB, but I tend to notice more people enjoy it because the dialogue & setting is something they relate to more. As oppose to the urban slum setting of The Wire. At one point The Shield was talked about as GOAT.

GG BB.

Loved Baby Blue for the end credits

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Giving the finale a knock because it was somewhat predictable is kinda silly considering Gilligan gave you the clues on a silver platter with the flash forwards of the M60 and ricin.

If he had left those out completely and Walt strolled into town with an M60 and ricin people would have *****ed about how unrealistic and Hollywood it was.

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You're forgetting a scene in an earlier episode (and I forget which one) in which he's arguing with Jesse or someone about continuing in the meth business and expressed his regret over selling his share in GM to "pay the rent." They may have been other issues contributing to the decision to leave Gray Matter, but it was his decision.

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Actually, he says, "Something happened, I'm not going to get into it for personal reasons, but I took a buyout." It wasn't to pay the rent but probably because of the Gretchen situation.

Now, he still technically chose to take the buyout. But, sometimes a situation has become so unbearable, through no fault of your own, you're effectively forced to choose to leave. I suspect an ugly breakup with your romantic interest, followed by her engaging in a relationship with your partner would be such a situation. It's also possible that Elliot and Gretchen took advantage of Walt by stealing his ip/research or screwing him on the $5000 buyout amount.

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Oh man, that flash back of the party. Had Hank just kept his mouth shut about coming on the ride along...