A little heavy on the REK influence, but he writes and peforms some super tunes.

No, I wasn't in attendance at the DC show. Glad all the displaced Texans had a good time.

By chance, you didn't see Coach Fran at the show, did you?

Gig 'em! '90

Pat Green is the most over-rated Texas musician ever. He's all about selling T-shirt, hats and stickers to people who think he's great because they don't know any better, but have seen other people are wearing his T-shirts.

Just my opinion. Not a great musician, but a marketing genius.

Sorry, this subject was actually supposed to be a reply to DHS_AG_2005's original Pat Green post.

I guess it's true that there's no cure for dumb@$$.



Gig 'em! '90

2 1/2 years ago my wife and I were in the Gruene area and wanted to go dancing at that hall. Pat Green was playing that night. We had never heard of him. The place was packed with college kids who knew every word to every song. I felt like I was from Mars but we had a great time. That was the start of feeling over the hill. (33 years old)

Pat Green is a fraternity party rock singer and is detrimental to the Texas music movement.

Pat who? Must be a country music thread. Yawn!

pat green is a horrible REK rip-off who can't write a decent lyric to save his life. Please tell me you aren't serious about him being a good songwriter.

I am glad to know that Pat Green is recognized as the no-talent poser that he really is.

No, Pat Green is fabulous. Love his songs!!!

Pat may not have the best voice. He may not write the best lyrics. That doesn't take away from the fact that he's a hell of an entertainer. Marketing genius...maybe so! But the dude has 3 Aggies in his band. He's probably the most personable (semi-celebrity) around, and those who think he's detrimental to Texas Music weren't around 7 to 8 years ago when Pat (and Cory) single handedly brought that Genre back to the College scene and made it what it is today!

Just my opinion!
p.s.....this shouldn't be on the football thread anyway!

Pat Green made a brief tour to the Northeast about a year ago. The response was a resounding "huh?" His appeal is strictly regional, and unlike REK, other performers are not exactly clamoring to sing his songs. There is a lot of good music that comes out of Texas, but most of what is referred to as "Texas Music" never has much appeal beyond the state borders. In that sense, Pat Green is a great representative of the genre.

nicely done as always, boston ag.

REK has his share of loud fast dancehall beerdrinking songs, but he also has the slow, deep introspective songs that don't really fit a category ('texas music', bluegrass, folk, americana, etc). Pat is strictly in the frat boy scene: songs about beer/texas/roadtrips etc. He's tryng to be a better songwriter and escape from the above stereotype, but at this point his attempts to write deeper lyrics come off as fake and very "mad libs" like. We'll see if he grows as an artist over the next few years.

What's wrong with singing a bunch of songs about Texas? For displaced Texans like myself, it's kind of nice to hear songs about how much it sucks to be away from the State every once in a while.

I used to listen to Pat, etc. until I found some REAL music. Sure, Pat is a decent performer and there was a time in my life when I loved his music - but he is not a very good songwriter.

Try some Son Volt (Jay Farrar), Wilco (Jeff Tweedy), Uncle Tupelo (both of the previous guys) or Blue Mountain (Cary Hudson) - THAT is some serious music. Y'allternative, Roots-Rock, "No Depression", Alt-Country - whatever you want to call it, music like this is levels above anything these neo Texas musicians could come up with. Just my opinion, of course.

So, who will be quarterback next year?

One of the best songwriters in Texas is Eric Taylor, and just the fact that he is not popularly recognized as such is proof that the cream does not rise to the top in the "Texas music scene". That really is my whole issue with Texas Music. There are some incredible performers and songwriters who were either born in Texas or who currently live there, and their efforts are almost completely obscured by those who are far less talented, for the simple reason that they have chosen to grow beyond the beer hall / frat boy crowd that fuels the Texas Music scene.

It is generally acknowledged in music circles that Texas produces some of the best songwriters, and it is also acknowledged that the best of them have to look outside Texas to get the recognition they deserve. I have no problem with people enjoying Pat Green's music if that makes them happy. Hell, some people in Minnesota love a good polka every now and then. To each his own. However, Green is not anywhere near the top of the list of Texas singer/songwriters. To imply as much is an insult to the dozens and dozens of really talented Texas artists who have earned much more respect within the music community.

And since his brother has retired from pro football and become an announcer things have been all downhill.

"and those who think he's detrimental to Texas Music weren't around 7 to 8 years ago when Pat (and Cory) single handedly brought that Genre back to the College scene and made it what it is today!"

That is a rather odd take on things. I graduated in 1997, and at that time real Texas music was making the rounds consistently. Jerry Jeff, Robert Earl, Gary P. Nunn, etc were regulars in Bryan/College Station, Lubbock, Austin, etc and the crowds were filled with plenty of college kids.

Most people recognize Pat Green, Cory Morrow, Owen Temple and all the other versions of them as just a few guys exploiting the appeal of Texas music. They took something cool, subtracted a lot of talent, added a lot of marketing, and the result was something only enjoyed by drunken college kids.

We shouldn't make them out to be anymore than they are and they certainly didn't ressurect Texas Music on college campuses.

Ok, who is it gonna be at starting QB this year, Reggie McNeal, Dustin Long, Pat Green, or Ditka?

Just kidding, take Pat Green for what he's worth. He sings fun songs about drinking and Texas. I like to kick back on a Saturday in the backyard, fire up the grill, and put on a mix of Pat, REK, Jack I, and others and remember some of the great times I had back in school. It's just entertainment, it doesn't have to be deep or thought provoking.

PB

I don't really care for the bulk of Pat's music, but George's Bar and a few others are great. Being an ol' country boy, I get a pretty good laugh at the frat daddies yee-hawing to Pat Green.

Did some work for him at his house in Austin and had the chance to spend some time around him. Pretty low-key, laid back nice guy. Wish him all the best.

Sorry y'all don't like Pat, but I do and plenty of other folks do, too. I liked REK better in the past, but haven't liked a lot of his newer stuff, but have liked Pat's music better of late.

I also don't believe that most of Pat's fans were/are in frats... he has a lot broader fan base than that. As for city boys liking country, 9/10 of Texans are from Dallas, Houston, or San Antonio/Austin. It'd be kind of hard for any country musician to not have most of his fans be city folk. Besides, just because you grow up in the city doesn't mean that you don't and haven't spent plenty of time in the country. I have and I know plenty of folks who have.

Live and let live... if you don't like his music, then don't listen. I like it and will continue to buy his CDs and attend concerts until I don't anymore.

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Pat Green is the most over-rated Texas musician ever.

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Exactly.

Now Cross Canadian Ragweed (who use "CCR" -- right, they're CCR -- is trying to be the most over-rated Mobilehoma musicians ever . . . and it's working. Apparently, these youngsters know nothing about music.

Pat Green used to sing about being anti-Nashville and now he just like that crap. REK is by far and away the best even though his music seems to have taken a slightly different direction lately. I like Cory Morrow a lot too, he puts on one hell of a show!

I saw Pat Green in San Antonio a while back and he dogged a member of his band for sportin' an A&M sweatshirt. I know this should be expected since he went to Tech - but I still wasn't happy with him ... which is why the following cracks me up ...

My roomie saw him & Cory Morrow in Colorado over Christmas break ... and he nailed Pat in the face with a snowball while he was dancing around on stage. Cory stopped singing to clean the snow off his face. Wow, wish I could've been there for that.

I have to disagree with most of you guys. Robert Earl Keen used to be a great show to go to; now everything he is releasing is trash, IMO. Pat was nominated for two grammys this year, but I guess noone in America outside of Texas likes the guy. Fact is, he has been a major draw in the Texas Music scene for some time now and he is now moving on to the national scene. Emviro, I like Wilco too. But comparing them to Pat Green is a little irrational. They are two different types of music. I also enjoy The Gourds, Ryan Adams, Jimmy Lafave, Ian Moore, Reckless Kelly, the Derailers and various other genres of music. I've seen Garth Brooks, Pearl Jam, the Smashing Pumpkins, George Strait, Willie Nelson, Metallica, the Ramones, Dixie Chicks and numerous other concerts of big names and local artists from Dallas to Austin. But I will say that out of all the shows I have seen, Pat Green at Gruene Hall and Jonny Lang in a small venue in Corpus Christi were two of the best concerts I have ever seen. Pat did a rendition of Copperhead Road by Steve Earl in Gruene Hall that almost brought the place down. Everybody is entitled to their opinion, and you may like or dislike his music. But at least this guy is writing and playing his own songs. And he is writing about Texas. Pretty damn cool if you asked me. Most of these people in Nashville these days don't even write their own music. They let guys like Bruce Robison write their music for them and they just sing along. MTV is full of the same. Green's music is meant to be simple and down to earth. He has been labeled as a frat rocker, but I can assure you I knew many people at A&M that followed him and they weren't members of frats. We still see him when he is in the area. For those of you who do not like the songwriting, have you heard Dancehall Dreamer, Adios Days, Nightmare, Ruby's Two Sad Daughters (by Walt Wilkins), Threadbare Gypsy Soul (w/Willie Nelson) and Songs about Texas? Simple music, but great for the soul. By the way, if Willie, Natalie Maines and Radney Foster will sing with him, he must be doing something right.

aggierogue is my new favorite poster. Bruce Robison is far and away the best songwriter in country music today. Forget the songs that are in solid play the last couple of years "angry all the time" and "traveling soldier" which is a magnificient song his other work is amazing. "my brother and me" is my favorite song and i don't even have a brother. Other great artists include slaid cleaves and jack ingram. Their writing is phenomenal, you can listen to a slaid cleaves cd four times around and not know that you have heard every song. Pat Green was a good artist. Was. His new stuff makes me sick but some of the old stuff like nightmare and adios days and whiskey are beautifully written and played songs. Cory Morrow is just coming into his own as a song writer, having already conquered the fan base he is starting the write some amazing things. I love this arguement.

ag04,

gonna see Roger Creager and Slaid Cleaves next weekend. Slaid's cd is amazing. Broke Down and One good year never get old; I haven't heard his new album. I plan on picking one up at his show in Helotes this weekend.

You guys are a bunch of single minded dorks......

Pat Green is a muscial lite weight.

You are probably insynx fans as well. Tools.

For pure talent you guys need to see Seth James. He's a damn good guitarist and hes wrote some pretty good songs. Similar to Pat Green is Bleu Edmondson. Stoney Larue plays some pretty good songs also, but he's basically Bleu Edmondson with less energy.


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... we in it shall be remembered,
... we band of brothers."

I've seen Pat Green 3 times. Ag Kickoff was ok, but I really don't like big shows like that. I also saw him at Luckenbach this past summer and at Gruene Hall the summer before. Gruene was incredible, nothing else can compare. Took my parents and ex-girlfriend's parents to Luckenbach, and they had a blast. They'd never heard him play before but came away impressed. I don't get a hard on when I hear someone say Texas country, but I do like Pat Green. I guess the thing that sets him off from others is that I like most of the stuff he's put out. Cory has some good stuff, Jack Ingram and Cross Canadian too, but they also have some terrible stuff.
Just my opinion I guess.

Pat is a good entertainer, but his songwriting is somewhat lame, and he is the poster-boy for being a sell out. Where was "I gave up on Nashville a long time ago" when his video was all over CMT? And CCRW (I refuse to acknowledge them as CCR) is pretty much the same. Best I can tell they put on a good show, but every studio song I have heard from them is a steaming pile of dung.

Townes Van Zandt is the Texas songwriter. The man was an amazing storyteller, and he was the root for all the so-called "Texas Music" artists of today.

I think the biggest thing Pat Green (and any other of the assorted musicians mentioned on this thread) lacks is originality. I've tried hard to catch on to the new generation of Texas country but I just haven't found a new and exciting sound. I do enjoy Slaid Cleaves, although I think he's a little more folksy and could be considered Americana.

As for REK's last two releases, he always changes his sound a bit on every release. (Not to mention appearance ) I was a bit disappointed in Gravitational Forces as I thought it had too many covers...but damn can he pick them. Where the hell did he find Walking Cane?

I like Pat Green....and that's all I got ta say about that





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Most of these people in Nashville these days don't even write their own music. They let guys like Bruce Robison write their music for them and they just sing along

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Too bad Pat doesn't do the same. When it comes to songwriting he's a no-talent ass clown.

While Pat Green music doesnt have much depth to it; take it for what it is, music good for the soul and good to kick back with the buds and drink a few beers with. Being from the Waco area, I have listened to Pat for the past seven years or so. His music has become a little commercialized and smoothed out by his record label. BUT he still has good stage prescence and puts on a great show. He is still a humble person and is good to his fans(i.e. staying at Hasting till past 3 AM to sign anyones CD,guitar,hat,etc... at his cd signing)
As for anyone who said that Cross Canadian Ragweed is a **** band doesnt know what they're talking about or they're too old to get out and see one of their shows. Cody Canada is an amazing guitarist that can hang with some of the best. Just listen to the songs Down South or Mexican Sky. those might change your perspective on them.

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Re: REK's new stuff.

While Picnic, Walking Distance, and Gravitational Forces, are a little mellower than his earlier work, they're all outstanding albums and far better than most of the other crap that's being put out these days.

I can see how some folks who like Pat Green quite a bit don't share the same fondness for REK...completely different styles and songwriting.