No Country For Old Men

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Adam87inSA
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Saw it the night it came out. Add me to the list of Ags who loved the movie. It's an intense movie, a disturbing movie, a dark movie, a funny movie, and the dialogue was fantastic (per usual for a Cohen Bros movie... even more so this time).

As others have said, it makes you think during the movie and afterward. I appreciate all of the previous discussion on this thread about the ending.

I recommend No Country for Old Men... but it ain't a feel-good, pick-me-up. It's just a great movie. Very well acted, expertly written and shot.
Redstone
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huge thumbs up from me
Jim01
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Saw it last night and loved it. It definately takes time to marinade. When some things happen you are kind of taken back and almost dissappointed, but as you see the movie as a whole and have time to think about it you realize why it all played out that way.

Great acting, great dialogue, and very well directed.

My one questions: So Stephen Root hired the Mexicans to find the money? Then he found our Bardem was on the case, and he decided to hire Harrelson to take care of Bardem? Is that correct? The part that confused me was when Bardem kills Root then talks to the Accountant and says something like "He gave the Mexicans a transponder too. That was a mistake." Inferring that Root was the one that gave Bardem the transponder. Did I miss something?
schmendeler
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spoilersspoilersspoilersspoilersspoilersspoilers






bardem took the transponder from the guys he was with, and root gave a transponder to the mexicans, apparently, which is why they were waiting in the hotel room when bardem came in and shot them all up.
Jim01
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spoilers.
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Ok, I think I understand now. I just rewatched the trailer and I forgot that when Root hires Harrelson it's because "he's got a loose cannon."

So Root is behind all three. First he hires Bardem, but he also gets the Mexicans on the case as well. Then Bardem goes crazy killing folks and drawing attentiong, so Root gets Harrelson on board to get Bardem under control.

Am I right?

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schmendeler
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that's how i understood it
OldArmy71
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ttt
huisache
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the Mexicans are from the suppliers of the drug

In the novel, which I just finished an hour ago, Bardem kills the guy who hired Wells, just like in the movie, but he returns the money to somebody and solicits future business.

There is also a lot more philosophizing in the novel and it bears a second read in a few months.

I did think it was interesting that Bell goes to San Saba to see Moss's dad. TLJ now lives in San Saba. Add that to the interesting Chigur/Chagra/Harrelson/Harrelson connection.

Garrelli 5000
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Can't wait to see this movie, just finished the book on Christmas Eve.

Glad I read this thread now, the book (or at least, the printing of the book I have) didn't put quotations around dialogue...you just had to figure out people were talking and you weren't reading a desciption, then you had to trace back sometimes a full page to figure out who the hell was saying what. Made for at times a confusing read.

Regardless, awesome story and characters and plan on seeing the film this weekend.
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Jones reminds me so much of my grandfather. He was one of those old school West Texas sheriffs. He passed away a week before I saw that movie. It was eerie watching it, yet so amazing at the same time.

Such a great movie. It makes me wonder about the things that my dad and grandfather have seen in law enforcement that I may never know about.
RealDeal022
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Why were the Mexicans hauling ass out of the motel? They went from Uzi fire to burning rubber in about 10 seconds. No time to look for and find or not find anything. From reading this thread it seems like Chigur ends up with the money in the book. Why'd they take off?

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quote:

Jones reminds me so much of my grandfather. He was one of those old school West Texas sheriffs. He passed away a week before I saw that movie. It was eerie watching it, yet so amazing at the same time.

Such a great movie. It makes me wonder about the things that my dad and grandfather have seen in law enforcement that I may never know about.


wow. that would definitely make this movie an experience.
RightWingConspirator
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Saw it tonight. I loved this movie. The ending was sort of different, but overall I thought the movie was excellent.

TAF
HOLDEN, M. D.
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By the way, I read one bit somewhere to the effect that McCarthy named the bad fellow Chigur because in 1980 (the time when the novel is set) the baddest fellow in El Paso was Jimmy Chagra, the drug running lawyer who was convicted of hiring an assasin who killed federal judge John Wood, whom the courthouse in San Antonio is named after.



Where did you read about this connection? I think it may be a leap.


I watched an interview with the Coen brothers and they were talking about the character Anton Chigurh and said that McCarthy had told them the inspiration for the name came from a careful consideration to ensure it couldn't be traced to any ethnicity. Adds to the enigma and randomess of Bardem's character.

I guess the two theories aren't mutually exclusive but this one comes from the horse's mouth (supposedly).

I'm curious where you read your theory?

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HOLDEN, M. D.
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Just thought of an interesting parallel...

Remember when Lewelyn Moss is hunting at the beginning of the movie?

The deer/antelope/wildlife probably are thinking why the fuuuck is someone shooting at me? What have I done? It falls in line with the randomness of violence the movie speaks to.

Ironically, not long after that scene Moss becomes the hunted, running and hiding like the very wildlife he was just shooting at.
huisache
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MD: I read it "somewhere" and I don't know where that was; I have read a lot about this film at different sites in the last month leading up to its release.

The connection does seem unlikely and the Coen bros suggestion makes more sense.
HOLDEN, M. D.
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Found a good discussion concerning the movie: http://blogs.suntimes.com/scanners/2007/11/no_country_for_old_men_out_in.html

Uncovered some things I missed even after 2 viewings.
HOLDEN, M. D.
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I've come across a couple of theories and observations from the above link.

One person believes that Moss dies early in the film as the Mexicans are chasing him. He crosses the proverbial River Styx with Cerberus in tow and tries to evade death (Chigurh) for the rest of the film. A fruitless effort obviously.

Another believes Wells (played by Harrelson) represents life. He is the opposite of Chigurh, who represents death. He brings Moss flowers in the hospital, he doesn't carry a gun, he wears a white hat, etc. Of course death always eventually overcomes life as we see the two meet on the staircase at the hotel.

Finally someone astutely noted that the 3 stories on the cover of the newspaper Ed Tom (Tommy Lee Jones) was reading to his deputy in the diner were about 1. death, 2. vital statistics, and 3. weather. The story on "vital statistics" was sandwiched between the other two stories implying that life exists somewhere between fate (death) and chance (weather).




I have a question of my own...

Early in the film Moss approaches the tree where the man was dying with the 2 million. Moss looks at his watch and proceeds to wait. I thought the time on his watch was 11:40. Was he waiting for noon so the man wouldn't be able to see a shadow approaching (sun being directly overhead at noon) or was he just waiting to see if the man was moving?

Shadows play a big role in this film, especially surrounding death.

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Griffle
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Nevermind...

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huisache
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at 11:40 the sun would be pretty much overhead anyway; my understanding was that he was waiting to see if the man moved and gave himself a set time to wait.

The Styx and Cerberus angle had not occurred to me and makes perfect sense. I was just so happy to see somebody shoot a bad dog I guess.
HOLDEN, M. D.
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at 11:40 the sun would be pretty much overhead anyway; my understanding was that he was waiting to see if the man moved and gave himself a set time to wait.



I figured I was reading too much into it.



huisache,

What are your thoughts on Carson Wells' (Woody Harrelson) out of place comment to Stephen Root about the building missing a floor?
huisache
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he was being a smart a$$. Most buildings don't have a 13th floor and I suspect that was the one that was missing.

Another thought: I assume Moss was poaching because 1) it isn't his land, 2) he parked close to the gate, 3) he is carrying no water, 4) everybody in West Texas who lacks land poaches and 5) if he had permission to be there he would think twice about taking the money because when the law started poking around they would surely ask the owner about who had access and permission to be there.

HOLDEN, M. D.
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Good stuff. Thanks.
65532ag
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Fantastic movie. I didn't read that link provided but I do have a question. Are we sure that chigurh killed the girl at the end? It never showed it and the scene sort of struck me as though he might not have.

Having said that Antone is my favorite villain of all time.
huisache
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When Anton leaves her house, he checks his boots, both of them, to see if there is any blood on them.

In the book it is pretty explicit that he killed her.
Jason_Ag98
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I finally got a chance to see this film on Monday and absolutely loved it, although I think I was in a distinct minority in the theater--I guess most people expected a straightforward crime thriller with a tidy conclusion. I don't want to get too hung up on the plot issues, but there were a couple of things I'm curious about:

1.) How did Carson Wells find Moss so easily? Also, how did Chigurh find Wells?

2.) Why did the Mexicans go to all the trouble to track down Moss, then just blast him and speed away without trying to recover the money?

Maybe these things are intentionally left unresolved, I don't know. I'm a huge fan of the Coen brothers' work, and I'll definitely be seeing this one again to try to understand it better (and reading the book as well).
Skinny Wrinkles
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I actually didn't like the way it ended. it was eh at best.
Ags-R-Better
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For those of you who couldnt see it at a theater near you...enjoy:

http://www.filmzzz.com/film.php?filmid=7343

It was a pretty amazing movie, I was at first confused and felt the ending to be incomplete. After reading your posts, it makes perfect sense.

Great flick.
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***********spoilers************

Notice how they didn't clarify the relationship between the DA (Milton) and the drug dealers, on both sides.

They didn't develop Woody Harrelson's background with Chigurh.

There were a lot of unexplained connections, but their importance is discussed in the scene with TLJ and his deputy, where TLJ is reading the paper. Drugs, murder etc it just exists and the characters are more murderous and greedy and absurd violating the social contract.

It was well done. It captured the unique Texas feel. And I loved the 70's feel of it, (the setting was 1980 but that decade's influence hadn't occurred yet.)
Dante
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Interesting perspective I found online:

NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN is an ALLEGORY.

The title is from the first line of Sailing to Byzantium by William Butler Yeats, a poet classically trained and considered by many to be the greatest 20th Century poet.

Death is Anton Chigurh. His hair style (hood-ish, shroud-ish) and black clothing suggest Death. Death kills the innocent as well as the guilty and has his own set of rules. When the witness to the high-rise killing asks, “Are you going to kill me?” Death answers, “It depends. Do you see me?” When the kids on the bicycles help him after the car accident he tells them, “You didn’t see me.” If you see Death, you die; if not, you may live. Chigurh seems to come and go at will and seems to know where Moss is without trying very hard. His rules are his rules and they seem arbitrary and random. He is referred to by the sheriff as a “ghost” and he seems to be able to go wherever he pleases.

Death kills with a cattle stun gun, almost like a member of the clergy administering a cross to the forehead of a parishoner. Death is often portrayed as a hooded figure with a scythe; in this case he’s a “hooded” figure with a cattle stun gun.

Man is Llewellen Moss, part sinner, part saint. He is offered a deal with Death when Death offers to ignore his wife but take him. Instead, Llewellen challenges Death and chooses declines the offer. This is straight Faustian bargaining. By declining Death’s “This is the best deal you’re gonna get” Moss signs not only his own death warrant but his wife’s, too.

Llewellen challenges Death to a showdown and when his wife tells the sheriff, “He won’t quit, neither. Never has.” the audience expects a later showdown because we’ve been trained to see the protagonist take on the antagonist at the climax of a story — but before that can happen life’s randomness gets in the way and the Mexicans kill him. This is the major turn in the movie and the one that takes the sail out of the audience, which has been cheering for Man in his struggle against Death without realizing it.

Free Will is Carla Jean. She chooses at the end of the film not to allow Death to be random. She has a 50% chance of saving herself but chooses not to avail herself of the opportunity. She is the bravest of the lot, choosing to die by her own decision and not the randomness of Death.

The sheriff is the philosopher trying to understand the universe. He cannot and is defeated by Death in his attempt. At the movie’s end the Sheriff bemoans the fact that God never entered his life. One of God’s creatures, Death, was in the Sheriff’s life but he didn’t realize it (see “Scene with Sheriff” below). The story is the Sheriff’s, his quest to understand Life, and the dream he tells at the end of the movie explains that his own father, long dead, has gone before him into the darkness of death and awaits him.

Interesting parallel — Moss pays money for a coat as he crosses into Mexico; Chigurh pays the kids money for a shirt after his accident. What is meant by that? Cannot be a coincidence.

Chigurh walking away from the accident at the end shows that Death cannot be stopped. It will always walk the streets. It is a part of our existence forever.

Scene with the Sheriff and Death at the same hotel room at the same time but the Sheriff does not see Death. This scene is vital — it solidifies the allegory. The Sheriff enters the room but does not see Death and so he does not die. Death sees the sheriff but chooses not to kill him because he’s not seen in return. This scene is the “supernatural” scene which signals that we’ve watching an allegory, that what we’ve been watching is more than it appears.
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*spoilers*
I dont see Anton as death, more like a satanic force or the dark side of humanity.

The drug dealers think they are using this force for their advantage. But it does them in.

Woody Harrelsons character thinks the set of rules he lives by makes him a decent person. But the way he is living inevitably leads him to his demise via Anton.

Moss is blinded by the tainted money he takes, this leads him and his family to their demise.

The sheriff has seen this dark side enough and is somewhat depressed over it. However near the end of the film it seems like Anton is more scared of the sheriff than the sheriff is of Anton. An interesting concept.

If you like puzzles and allegory in movies try David Lynch movies. The symbolism and allegory in this movie is mild in comparison to his films. Those films are real mindbenders.


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Dante
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Nice take, BVA.

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If you like puzzles and allegory in movies try David Lynch movies. The symbolism and allegory in this movie is mild in comparison to his films. Those films are real mindbenders.


Care to name a few?
HOLDEN, M. D.
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I dont see Anton as death, more like a satanic force or the dark side of humanity.

The drug dealers think they are using this force for their advantage. But it does them in.

Woody Harrelsons character thinks the set of rules he lives by makes him a decent person. But the way he is living inevitably leads him to his demise via Anton.

Moss is blinded by the tainted money he takes, this leads him and his family to their demise.

The sheriff has seen this dark side enough and is somewhat depressed over it. However near the end of the film it seems like Anton is more scared of the sheriff than the sheriff is of Anton. An interesting concept.


Way off.
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i think that analysis is pretty good
sterlicious
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Holden, correct him with what you think is right.
 
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