"Dear White People" email...

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In reply to speck • 6:20p, 2/28/21
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speck said:
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Calling people stupid/racist/privileged and chastising them for any position other than blind adherence to your position is not persuasive.


I know you're not talking to me. I haven't called anyone stupid or racist. I have said the privilege exists. On the other hand, I've been cussed at, called a fool, and labeled as garbage. So...
I'm talking directly to you. You came here to evangelize and are, apparently, so hopelessly enamored with the smell of your own farts that it doesn't even occur to you that you're the crazy one.

I was being blunt. You aren't persuasive. On top of pitching outlandish nonsense, you're pitching it in a way that only makes people think you're both crazy and a jerk.

ETA: I'm just trying to help you out here, man. I persuade people for a living and you are doing the opposite of what is effective.
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6:28p, 2/28/21
A victim mentality is a terribly destructive way to live one's life and even more destructive to pass that mindset on to your children. It is an excuse to never look inward. It is an excuse to fail. It is an excuse to not improve oneself. It is dangerous. But posters like speck encourage it.
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In reply to aggiephoenix02 • 6:28p, 2/28/21
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aggiephoenix02 said:

Have you ever once thought that you may be 100% wrong about your point of view? Has that entered your mind? Have you ever thought you might be being manipulated into being exactly what you're against? Have you ever thought about that, and if so, what made you dismiss those thoughts?
Hey, AggiePhoenix02 - sorry you didn't get the reply you hoped for earlier.

Yes, absolutely I've considered that I'm 100% wrong. I spent decades as part of the "I'm color-blind, so I'm cool, and I don't need to do anything" crowd. I've spent hours listening to Walter Williams, reading Dinesh D'Souza's The End of Racism ("Blacks from India are reasonably successful, so racism isn't the problem).

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, one of the most profound change agents was witnessing people very close to me navigate a culture that systemically marginalizes them. As I alluded to earlier, when you have "The Talk" with your African-American children, it's not about the birds and the bees, it's about what to do when a police officer is harassing you so you have a halfway decent chance of coming home alive. That sucks. And it's real.

Next, was tons of data. Look at discipline data at schools. Minority students are suspended and expelled for subjective issues like "insubordination" at much higher rates than their white peers. Dress codes predominately define a white middle class culture. Education data. Police interaction data. Health data. Food deserts. Job access. Pay. Genetic data. The whole "blacks are better/worse at X, Y, and Z because of their genes" falls apart in the face of science. And suddenly you have to ask, well - then what are the real reasons?

Finally, is personal stories. They are there if you listen. Is the racism systemic? Ask the African American girls whose teacher asks students to do a research paper on how and when their family immigrated to America.

I wouldn't normally repeat myself, but it's a long thread & I'm sure we're all skipping around... Just like ableism, racism is so prevalent, that we are blind to it... until you start to look.

So, AggiePhoenix02 - yes, I had those thoughts. I lived those thoughts. I changed when I saw white supremacists marching in the streets. I changed when police officers were only cited for the bullets that missed an innocent black women. I changed when I read past the surface of incarceration data in America. I changed when I saw that "The War on Drugs" suddenly became an "Opioid Crisis" when it moved from urban black America to suburban white America. I changed when we stationed armed federal troops in DC because of BLM protesters, but when there were threats on the capital leading up to January 6, we thought the image of troops would look bad. I changed when data, personal experience, and the experience of others overwhelmingly contradicted what I believed.

Tell me about your perspective.
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In reply to Trucker 96 • 6:29p, 2/28/21
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Fore Left! said:
A victim mentality is a terribly destructive way to live one's life and even more destructive to pass that mindset on to your children. But posters like the OP encourage it.


Are you saying I'm encouraging it?
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In reply to kbassil • 6:30p, 2/28/21
Sorry, meant speck. Edited
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In reply to ThunderCougarFalconBird • 6:31p, 2/28/21
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ThunderCougarFalconBird said:

ETA: I'm just trying to help you out here, man. I persuade people for a living and you are doing the opposite of what is effective.


It was an interesting way to give advice... but you're the expert.
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In reply to Trucker 96 • 6:31p, 2/28/21
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Fore Left! said:
Sorry, meant speck. Edited


I figured, all good
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In reply to speck • 6:33p, 2/28/21
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Just go away. Good grief
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6:36p, 2/28/21
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I really despise socialists like Speck. If you're a prof/teacher, I genuinely hope you're fired for your blatant racism and divisiveness. I hope you live a long and happy life, but in a way where you can't cause racism/ harm with your beliefs. Go live your life how you want, don't try and preach to an entire group of people about how they're just racist and need to change.
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In reply to Trucker 96 • 6:36p, 2/28/21
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Fore Left! said:
A victim mentality is a terribly destructive way to live one's life and even more destructive to pass that mindset on to your children. It is an excuse to never look inward. It is an excuse to fail. It is an excuse to not improve oneself. It is dangerous. But posters like speck encourage it.
Sorry, wasn't my intent to preach victimization - the opposite, I'd like to everyone empowered to the same level.

Some posters felt I was trying to play the victim by pointing out the attacks that got hurled my way. They didn't bother me, I just felt it necessary to call them out because I felt they were being used to deflect and because I wanted to point out that I been the one to call people "stupid" or "uneducated" or hurl other insults. Scroll back if you don't believe me.

I've never even called anyone on the forum a racist. I have argued that our culture is systemically racist and I've defended to folks who put together the event in the e-mail that started this whole discussion. Because I think we need to speak up and challenge these problems.
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In reply to Wildman15 • 6:37p, 2/28/21
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Just go away. Good grief
That would be easier.
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In reply to kbassil • 6:38p, 2/28/21
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kbassil said:
I really despise socialists like Speck. If you're a prof/teacher, I genuinely hope you're fired for your blatant racism and divisiveness. I hope you live a long and happy life, but in a way where you can't cause racism/ harm with your beliefs. Go live your life how you want, don't try and preach to an entire group of people about how they're just racist and need to change.
LOL - where was the socialism?

Thanks for the well wishes? I guess?
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6:38p, 2/28/21
Wait you didn't cal us racist but are saying we're systematically racist?
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In reply to speck • 6:39p, 2/28/21
Your whole point is that every one of us is partly racist boogeyman. If you can't see that, LOL. This mindset is a huge reason for the state of the black community today. The race hustlers feed on victimhood, and you are playing the part of just another dime-a-dozen race hustler on this threas
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In reply to The Dirty Sock • 6:41p, 2/28/21
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The Dirty Sock said:
Wait you didn't cal us racist but are saying we're systematically racist?
It's up to you to decide if you're responsible or a party to the systemic racism. We could say Washington is systemically corrupt without saying all members of Congress are corrupt.
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In reply to speck • 6:42p, 2/28/21
If you have to look for racism, it ain't as prevalent as you think.

I can see you aren't here to truly discuss anything, just lecture your side to people who have already heard your delusional mindset from other self hating posters.

So answer my other question, What makes you a racist? What is your background that makes you so racist?

I know why your a racist, I just want to hear why YOU think you're a racist...
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In reply to speck • 6:42p, 2/28/21
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Yes or No: my success in life is purely based on the oppression of POC. That's essentially the question you're posing to us privileged white gentrified folk, right?
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In reply to speck • 6:44p, 2/28/21
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when you have "The Talk" with your African-American children, it's not about the birds and the bees, it's about what to do when a police officer is harassing you so you have a halfway decent chance of coming home alive. That sucks. And it's real.
No, it's unmitigated bull***** And people who propagate this destructive lie need to be called out.

Did anyone not get a talk about how to behave when you're pulled over by police? I heard it from my parents. I heard from my drivers ed teacher. I heard it from a Summer school speech classmate who was a young HPD officer and gave an informative presentation on what to do when you're stopped. Growing up in SW Houston, my mom especially warned us about driving through Bellaire and West University Place, where the police were notorious. She warned my older brother about driving in a tank top and wearing an earring, because she thought those things would make him more likely to get stopped. I got my first "speeding" ticket in West U, where my crime was probably driving the oldest vehicle the cop could see. I've been pulled over and asked what I was I doing in a neighborhood like that (when I lived there).

And we're of European descent.

Instructing people to behave like calm, mature adults is not racist.
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6:45p, 2/28/21
Why are you so racist, Speck? You said yourself you are a racist, I just want to know why you're a racist... or at least why you see yourself as racist...
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In reply to speck • 6:45p, 2/28/21
I'm not either or from your bs choices. The culture in question needs to take responsibility for itself and work hard to prove its value to society instead of counting on white females with too much time on their hands thinking they're throwing blacks a bone by changing their profile pics.

I'm done here.
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6:47p, 2/28/21
As a self proclaimed racist, Speck, why are you so racist?
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In reply to speck • 6:48p, 2/28/21
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speck said:
kbassil said:
I really despise socialists like Speck. If you're a prof/teacher, I genuinely hope you're fired for your blatant racism and divisiveness. I hope you live a long and happy life, but in a way where you can't cause racism/ harm with your beliefs. Go live your life how you want, don't try and preach to an entire group of people about how they're just racist and need to change.
LOL - where was the socialism?

Thanks for the well wishes? I guess?


"This group of people has an alleged unfair benefit therefore that entire group must be modified and the other group of people who are the victims should get the first groups money/place in line/Social roles because then things would be fair or equal".

I summarized your bs in a way where you can see the socialist agenda clearly.

If you still don't understand what your spewing then maybe you should just stop.
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6:49p, 2/28/21
Just leave ***** alone. Don't turn the discussion into an attack on one person you disagree with.
Speck. Also now i have to google what is the origin of *****.

Ill be damned
https://www.univision.com/univision-news/united-states/the-true-origin-of-the-word-spic-the-racist-insult-aimed-at-hispanics

Also staff, you apparently sensor the incorrect spelling
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6:49p, 2/28/21
Hey, Speck, why are you racist?

Edit: Speck said he was a racist. I'd like Speck to explain what part of his background made him a racist...
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6:55p, 2/28/21
I don't understand how we can have a discussion with a self proclaimed racist lecturing us on racism without some type of background of how this racist came to be...
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6:59p, 2/28/21
Speck: "Hey, y'all, I'm racist, so y'all should listen to what I have to say about how to stop all racism... with more racism!"
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In reply to speck • 7:00p, 2/28/21
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speck said:
ThunderCougarFalconBird said:

ETA: I'm just trying to help you out here, man. I persuade people for a living and you are doing the opposite of what is effective.


It was an interesting way to give advice... but you're the expert.
I was being a condescending jerk because in your head, you don't need advice. From the outside observing you, you don't even know to know you need advice.
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In reply to aggiephoenix02 • 7:00p, 2/28/21
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aggiephoenix02 said:
If you have to look for racism, it ain't as prevalent as you think. .
A fish has to look for water. But it's pretty prevalent. It took us millennia to discover gravity, but it's pretty universal.

aggiephoenix02 said:

I can see you aren't here to truly discuss anything, just lecture your side to people who have already heard your delusional mindset from other self hating posters.

So answer my other question, What makes you a racist? What is your background that makes you so racist?

I know why your a racist, I just want to hear why YOU think you're a racist...
What makes me personally racist? I grew up in a world where perspectives were relatively limited. All the actors on TV were white, except for the little neighbor kid who popped in for comedic relief. In school, "success" was defined as achieving a certain group of jobs and a certain lifestyle. I read Newt Gingrich's assertion that certain cultures are just superior. The rules reinforced behaviors that elevated some groups over others. I recall a co-worker at The Battalion who was told she'd have to straighten her hair if she wanted a serious job in journalism. It's just how we were brought up.
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In reply to Wildman15 • 7:02p, 2/28/21
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Yes or No: my success in life is purely based on the oppression of POC. That's essentially the question you're posing to us privileged white gentrified folk, right?
Nope.
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In reply to Jugstore Cowboy • 7:03p, 2/28/21
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Harry Lime said:
Instructing people to behave like calm, mature adults is not racist.


That's not how "The Talk" goes.
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In reply to speck • 7:04p, 2/28/21
"we were brought up"?

You don't know me or anyone else on an anonymous message board.

I went to military school, nothing mattered but what you could or couldn't do, no one gave a crap about skin color, either you could cut it or you couldn't.

STOP PROJECTING YOUR SELF LOATHING ONTO EVERYONE ELSE!
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In reply to kbassil • 7:05p, 2/28/21
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"This group of people has an alleged unfair benefit therefore that entire group must be modified and the other group of people who are the victims should get the first groups money/place in line/Social roles because then things would be fair or equal".

I summarized your bs in a way where you can see the socialist agenda clearly.

If you still don't understand what your spewing then maybe you should just stop.


Yeeeeah, you're reading a lot of stuff that isn't there.
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In reply to aggiephoenix02 • 7:05p, 2/28/21
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aggiephoenix02 said:
"we were brought up"?

You don't know me or anyone else on an anonymous message board.

I went to military school, nothing mattered but what you could or couldn't do, no one gave a crap about skin color, either you could cut it or you couldn't.

STOP PROJECTING YOUR SELF LOATHING ONTO EVERYONE ELSE!
Sorry - by "we" I didn't mean you - I meant the folks brought up with me. I wasn't raised in a plexiglass bubble.
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In reply to speck • 7:08p, 2/28/21
Certain cultures ARE superior. Just learn to accept that...
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In reply to speck • 7:09p, 2/28/21
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speck said:
aggiephoenix02 said:

Have you ever once thought that you may be 100% wrong about your point of view? Has that entered your mind? Have you ever thought you might be being manipulated into being exactly what you're against? Have you ever thought about that, and if so, what made you dismiss those thoughts?
Hey, AggiePhoenix02 - sorry you didn't get the reply you hoped for earlier.

Yes, absolutely I've considered that I'm 100% wrong. I spent decades as part of the "I'm color-blind, so I'm cool, and I don't need to do anything" crowd. I've spent hours listening to Walter Williams, reading Dinesh D'Souza's The End of Racism ("Blacks from India are reasonably successful, so racism isn't the problem).

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, one of the most profound change agents was witnessing people very close to me navigate a culture that systemically marginalizes them. As I alluded to earlier, when you have "The Talk" with your African-American children, it's not about the birds and the bees, it's about what to do when a police officer is harassing you so you have a halfway decent chance of coming home alive. That sucks. And it's real.

Next, was tons of data. Look at discipline data at schools. Minority students are suspended and expelled for subjective issues like "insubordination" at much higher rates than their white peers. Dress codes predominately define a white middle class culture. Education data. Police interaction data. Health data. Food deserts. Job access. Pay. Genetic data. The whole "blacks are better/worse at X, Y, and Z because of their genes" falls apart in the face of science. And suddenly you have to ask, well - then what are the real reasons?

Finally, is personal stories. They are there if you listen. Is the racism systemic? Ask the African American girls whose teacher asks students to do a research paper on how and when their family immigrated to America.

I wouldn't normally repeat myself, but it's a long thread & I'm sure we're all skipping around... Just like ableism, racism is so prevalent, that we are blind to it... until you start to look.

So, AggiePhoenix02 - yes, I had those thoughts. I lived those thoughts. I changed when I saw white supremacists marching in the streets. I changed when police officers were only cited for the bullets that missed an innocent black women. I changed when I read past the surface of incarceration data in America. I changed when I saw that "The War on Drugs" suddenly became an "Opioid Crisis" when it moved from urban black America to suburban white America. I changed when we stationed armed federal troops in DC because of BLM protesters, but when there were threats on the capital leading up to January 6, we thought the image of troops would look bad. I changed when data, personal experience, and the experience of others overwhelmingly contradicted what I believed.

Tell me about your perspective.
Let's take discipline in school. So, you're saying that minority students and white students all acted exactly the same in percentages, but, minorities were punished more?

Then Dress Codes...Many minority schools like them because they help the students to concentrate on LEARNING, not how people look.

Explain education data

Explain police interaction.

Food deserts...please explain why you think these exist. There's lots of data explaining it. See the Hearne Walmart as part of your example.

Explain job access.

Explain pay

Explain genetic data. This one is pretty odd. There's lots of data showing that genetics are not homogenous over the human race. Although, it could be just luck that the NBA is about 70% NON-white.

Explain "The whole "blacks are better/worse at X, Y, and Z because of their genes" falls apart in the face of science." Are you stating that blacks are exactly equal in all areas, including physical ones?
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