UTD's average SAT is higher than ours. And yes, they advertise that a lot.

Yup.

But then you have to live in Dallas. Who the eff wants to do that?

Spiteful woman.

HorseHat said:

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I just saw the new 2021 US News MBA rankings were published yesterday , and I see A&M has dropped to #44. Damn, WTH is going on with that program. When I was there the program was pushing for a Top 20 spot and leading the Texas schools. Now UT is at #18 and SMU & Rice are beating us.

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Is this premise even true? I always thought tu was always ranked high. Not sure about rice.

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The way they let students in now I wouldnt have had to have someone else take the SAT for me back in 1988. I could get in on my merits.

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My daughter had an SAT roughly equivalent to mine and I got straight in almost 30 years ago and she was given the Blindergarden invite. She went elsewhere.

It's almost better to go to another school and transfer in after a year. Seems to be easier from what I have been told by parents who had kids do that.

Dumb question here: Do executive MBA programs count along with all others or are they segregated as some other professional development?

It seems that there would be some built-in statistical advantages for schools in larger cities recruiting professionals going the executive route to add credentials. Rice put a lot of money into marketing their executive MBA program a few years back. I remember being surprised by some of the older fellows I knew who had entered it. That kind of marketing could, I suppose, bump up their applicant/admission stats.

I feel like the only people that care about MBAs are people with MBAs.

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And why is UT-D a good school? Because so many kids who weren't top 10 percent didn't make it into tu or A&M, so they went there. They have a stellar engineering program and have of the kids who don't go to A&M or tu from my daughter's highly competitive high school wind up there. They literally call it Westwood North.

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I think a lot of the local Asian population in Richardson and Plano have remained home to live with family and attend UT-D. I know many who have done this and almost all have been high performing students. When you walk the campus it is almost 50 to 60 percent Asian students.

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Charpie said:

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And why is UT-D a good school? Because so many kids who weren't top 10 percent didn't make it into tu or A&M, so they went there. They have a stellar engineering program and have of the kids who don't go to A&M or tu from my daughter's highly competitive high school wind up there. They literally call it Westwood North.

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I think a lot of the local Asian population in Richardson and Plano have remained home to live with family and attend UT-D. I know many who have done this and almost all have been high performing students. When you walk the campus it is almost 50 to 60 percent Asian students.

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Lots of international. My brother got his masters from there, tons of Chinese nationals that just wanted to cheat their way through and go back home with an American MBA.

Lots of DFW kids go there that can't afford the full blown college life of dorm, frat, etc. and some parents just don't want to "send their kid off to college". SMU and UNT aren't good options for DFW people IMO.

Not that I check the rankings every year, but as far as I am aware, Mays was always #4 behind the sips, SMU and Rice. The Jones School (Rice) was fantastic when I went there (in the 90's), but it has taken a leftist, SJW slant in recent years and I wouldn't piss on it if it was on fire now. The dean of the Jones School is a leftist POS.

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george1992 said:

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The way they let students in now I wouldnt have had to have someone else take the SAT for me back in 1988. I could get in on my merits.

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My daughter had an SAT roughly equivalent to mine and I got straight in almost 30 years ago and she was given the Blindergarden invite. She went elsewhere.

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Why even reproduce if you can't improve on yourself through your children?

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lb3 said:

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george1992 said:

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The way they let students in now I wouldnt have had to have someone else take the SAT for me back in 1988. I could get in on my merits.

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My daughter had an SAT roughly equivalent to mine and I got straight in almost 30 years ago and she was given the Blindergarden invite. She went elsewhere.

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Why even reproduce if you can't improve on yourself through your children?

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He married a stupid woman, happens all the time.

HorseHat said:

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I just saw the new 2021 US News MBA rankings were published yesterday , and I see A&M has dropped to #44. Damn, WTH is going on with that program. When I was there the program was pushing for a Top 20 spot and leading the Texas schools. Now UT is at #18 and SMU & Rice are beating us.

I know the program put new leadership in place over the last 6 years and ever since the programs rankings have been in decline year on year. Time to get this thing under control and send current leadership back into the classroom to teach, because they've clearly failed this assignment . Alumni are watching and not happy. Would love to see some REAL business people and leadership in that program's office and build a program we can be proud of, climb the rankings, be #1 in Texas and put a stop to this amateur hour. #aMAYSing(#cringe)

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When I was at A&M in the mid 90s my room mate went to Mays. It was around 55 then. It got to 30 as I recall, never in the top 20.
Rice and UT always had a better program.

Buford T. Justice said:

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It wasn't "Mays" in the 80's. It was business in blocker.

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That would be the Coke building to you sir...

Buford T. Justice said:

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It wasn't "Mays" in the 80's. It was business in blocker.

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Or accounting in the Old Hospital

https://today.tamu.edu/2020/09/10/money-magazine-ranks-texas-am-best-in-texas/

It should be noted that the OP was talking about the MBA program at Mays and not the undergrad program

As a graduate of A&M, and a Dallas resident living less than 2 miles from UTD, I feel fully qualified to say that the two schools may be relatively close in academic ranking, but the rest of the college experience at each couldn't be more different. Each has its plusses and minuses, but comparing them exclusively on academic ranking doesn't really paint the full picture.

UTD is valuable if you speak mandarin or hindi

If you couldn't get in back in 1988, you must have the iq of a toadstool

Hell, back then, all you had to do was put your name and address on the application and you would be accepted.

I have a Supply Chain Management Degree from Mays.

Barreled in 2008 and bottled in 2012.

Bottled in Bond by Uncle Sam!

How much is my degree now worth on the secondary market?

Mba rankings are coupled to some extent to the undergrad. There are very few exceptions (Penn?). The undergrad rankings are going to **** so the mba follows.

The school is a diploma mill now in basically all areas but the engineering program, and that's led by a department that is going the way of a buggy whip.

harrierdoc said:

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If you couldn't get in back in 1988, you must have the iq of a toadstool

Hell, back then, all you had to do was put your name and address on the application and you would be accepted.

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He was saying that the 1988 version of himself wouldn't have had the gpa or SAT scores required of today's students....of course he is setting aside the rampant grad inflation and dramatic shift on the SAT that occured over those 30+ years.

Yes. I was using the ubiquitous you, not the singular you. Must not have come across well.

Harry Lime said:

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Dumb question here: Do executive MBA programs count along with all others or are they segregated as some other professional development?

It seems that there would be some built-in statistical advantages for schools in larger cities recruiting professionals going the executive route to add credentials. Rice put a lot of money into marketing their executive MBA program a few years back. I remember being surprised by some of the older fellows I knew who had entered it. That kind of marketing could, I suppose, bump up their applicant/admission stats.

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Executive MBA programs are cash cows because a lot of the customers - err, candidates - are having their employer pick up the tab. You're never going to believe this, but business schools came up with a really good business model for themselves.

ETA - it also strikes me that business school rankings have become a lot more granular lately, probably so everyone can claim to be top in something. Like "hey, we're #1 in clean energy entrepreneurship."

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harrierdoc said:

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If you couldn't get in back in 1988, you must have the iq of a toadstool

Hell, back then, all you had to do was put your name and address on the application and you would be accepted.

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He was saying that the 1988 version of himself wouldn't have had the gpa or SAT scores required of today's students....of course he is setting aside the rampant grad inflation and dramatic shift on the SAT that occured over those 30+ years.

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You may be setting aside that the population of texas has essentially doubled since 1988.
Texas in 1988 ~16mil ppl
Texas in 2021 ~30mil ppl

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Duncan Idaho said:

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harrierdoc said:

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If you couldn't get in back in 1988, you must have the iq of a toadstool

Hell, back then, all you had to do was put your name and address on the application and you would be accepted.

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He was saying that the 1988 version of himself wouldn't have had the gpa or SAT scores required of today's students....of course he is setting aside the rampant grad inflation and dramatic shift on the SAT that occured over those 30+ years.

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You may be setting aside that the population of texas has essentially doubled since 1988.
Texas in 1988 ~16mil ppl
Texas in 2021 ~30mil ppl

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Shhhhhh. We have to keep pretending A&M is a diploma mill now. Whatever the **** that means.

Graduated from Jones in 2006. I agree with you. I give them no money and throw any correspondence from them - which is voluminous - in the garbage.

Outside of your first job, no one cares where you went to school as an undergrad.

boboguitar said:

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Outside of your first job, no one cares where you went to school as an undergrad.

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I work in construction, and lots of people in construction are Aggies and it gets brought up pretty often. Many times I've walked into a meeting not knowing anyone, and someone will see my ring and all the Aggies in there will reveal themselves.

Executive MBAs are non-degree, and they are not considered the same as MBAs.

mward1986 said:

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Executive MBAs are non-degree, and they are not considered the same as MBAs.

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At many public institutions, A&M and Texas included, there is no distinction on the diploma and transcript between a traditional MBA and executive MBA.

Yeah, no. This is wrong. They graduate with a degree just like every other MBA.