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General relativity is a theory, which I believe is incorrect. I will admit I am no expert, I have only heard contrary theories which seem to prove it incorrect.

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Impressive - probably the smartest human being in the history of mankind developed and believed in that theory but you've heard contrary theories you're choosing to believe.

Frankly, I'm going with the genius Nobel Prize winner, not some YouTube dude.

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Howdy Dammit said:

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He literally said it's curved in the video. But I'm guessing you'd chalk that up to satan worshiper.

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fc2112 said:

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You do have to believe in gravity to understand how atmospheres, space, etc work, and Einstein's theories explain it quite elegantly. Yes, a vessel with 0.040" thick aluminum alloy skin can hold an atmosphere of pressure when you consider non-linear deformation and let the skin go into membrane. I've been on the design team for multiple vehicles that do that.

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AggieVictor10 said:

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No but birds aren't real.

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I'm not sure why that scenario would mandate a creator, but I also don't really understand why your solution to the universe pretty blatantly refuting the idea of a 6000 year old earth created by god is to just completely make **** up about how the world works to fit your narrative.

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There is no "universe" or outer space, it is entirely fiction. "space may be the final frontier, but it's made in a Hollywood basement".

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That's not true either. Yesterday, I was standing in one of our test chambers that can simulate space. The walls are about 1" thick stiffened steel plates and are more than capable of drawing down to almost a total vacuum. We have tested satellites in there.

I don't know why I even bring this up - you don't want to believe we do these things, so you won't.

EDIT: And you say I don't understand the "theoretical forces of space" when I have actually helped design spacecraft that account for the environment in orbit. Loony.

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Coin said:

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General relativity is a theory, which I believe is incorrect. I will admit I am no expert, I have only heard contrary theories which seem to prove it incorrect.

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Impressive - probably the smartest human being in the history of mankind developed and believed in that theory but you've heard contrary theories you're choosing to believe.

Frankly, I'm going with the genius Nobel Prize winner, not some YouTube dude.

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That's fine, but only one of us bothered take the time to learn for themselves.

If there is no space and no gravity, then General Relativity is wrong.

Gas pressure cannot exist adjacent a vacuum; therefore, there is either a container (which we cannot break), no vacuum (space), or both.
Gravity (the idea that objects of mass attract other objects) has never and will never be measured on earth. It is entirely theoretical.

If you think a light weight tin can in orbit can hold in 1-atmosphere of pressure in the vacuum of space, you have never sat down and thought about it. Same if you think a fabric space suit would still be flexible, even if it could hold in 1-atmosphere of pressure.

No one has ever or will ever go to outspace, because it doesn't exist.

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Howdy Dammit said:

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So you don't believe in the ISS or the people who have been in it?

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Howdy Dammit said:

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So you don't believe in the ISS or the people who have been in it?

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I've seen it myself through my telescope. It's not just a dot. You can make out the solar panels and everything.

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Screw tide, how is half the flat earth dark and half in sunshine at any given time

Another plasma phenomenon I suppose

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You musta missed this gem from page 2.

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fc2112 said:

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Yes. Since aerodynamic loads were irrelevant in space, the LEM could be whatever shape the design parameters took it.

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Duckhook said:

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If this is true, how do we have phases of the moon?

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OasisMan said:

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Coin
Props for standing firm,


Can you explain y'all's beliefs on this:
Why do stars in the northern hemisphere rotate counter clockwise when one is looking north,
But stars in the southern hemisphere rotate clockwise when one is looking south?

Thx

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Gas pressure cannot exist adjacent a vacuum

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Not following your logic here.

I feel like there is a fundamental misunderstanding of what "vacuum" is. It isn't some magic negative force trying to suck things into it. It is nothing. An absence of anything. An absence of pressure. Atmospheric pressure is about 14 psi at the surface, but that is entirely dependent on elevation. As you reach increase elevation, pressure is continuously decreasing, approaching 0 (vacuum). This is absolutely measurable.

So you are somewhat correct, gas pressure cannot exist adjacent to a vacuum. If our atmosphere was 14 psi all the way up, it certainly would expand into that vacuum. But that is kinda what it did at creation. The only thing holding it all together is gravity (which I acknowledge you don't believe in).

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The earth does not continually accelerate upwards. It is motionless. Objects fall due to density, no gravity needed. Gravity is an unproven theory necessary only in astrophysics, which is entirely theoretical.

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There is also no logic here. Density is meaningless without gravitational forces. Without gravity, there is no driving force to move a more dense object or fluid through/under a less dense object or fluid. It moves because it weighs more. It weighs anything because of gravity...

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If you think a light weight tin can in orbit can hold in 1-atmosphere of pressure in the vacuum of space, you have never sat down and thought about it.

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As previously mentioned, 1-atmosphere is about 14 psi (as we experience it). You are also correct that we aren't able to pull a perfect vacuum. Going back to the definition of vacuum as absence of anything, it is REALLY hard to pull those last few atoms of gas out of a container. But we're just talking about retaining pressure inside a container (14 psia) in a vacuum (0 psia) environment. We can EASILY replicate that by pressuring the container to 28 psia in an atmospheric (14 psia) environment (so 14 psig). So running some quick numbers:
Using your number of 0.04" thick aluminum. The hoop stress in a cylinder at 14 psig doesn't reach yield until it is 200" internal diameter. That is with no other structural support. so I can't see how you are thinking this is impossible...

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Yes. Since aerodynamic loads were irrelevant in space, the LEM could be whatever shape the design parameters took it.

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Right... So you are definitely in category 3.
You believe we sent men to space 50 years ago, in a ship made of gold foil and cardboard, shown in a movie produced by Stanley Kubrick, from which NASA has lost all telemetry data, and that according to NASA we no longer have the technology to return to the moon, then no offense, but talking to you about this is a waste of my time.

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If this is true, how do we have phases of the moon?

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Simple demonstration
The moon does not rotate the same speed as the sun. As it moves directly opposite to the sun it waxes, and as gets closer to the sun it wanes.

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Yes. Since aerodynamic loads were irrelevant in space, the LEM could be whatever shape the design parameters took it.

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Right... So you are definitely in category 3.
You believe we sent men to space 50 years ago, in a ship made of gold foil and cardboard,

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from which NASA has lost all telemetry data,

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and that according to NASA we no longer have the technology to return to the moon,

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then no offense, but talking to you about this is a waste of my time.

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HossAg said:

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It's hilarious that we can't even have reasonable conversations about this because the guy doesn't agree with basic fundamental concepts like gravity.

"Prove how you're right"

"Well gravity holds…"

"Gravity isn't real bro. Nice try."

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Gravity (the idea that objects of mass attract other objects) has never and will never be measured on earth.

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