Not validating your reasoning because it is flawed. I am just pointing out that suburban cops are not accustomed to situations like this, so we should not be surprised that they were not prepared to handle it.

"@TroyCrossley lets not get ahead of ourselves now Troy, it's a good show but breaking bad we can relate to a little bit more, I like meth"

Here is a tweet from the younger brother on the 13th. I would not doubt that meth could of played a role in him mentally being able to do these things.

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http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/boston-bomb-suspect-eyed-connection-2011-triple-murder/story?id=19015628#.UXbhFJXJTOc

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Um, did you see how bad of an aim all of the cops were? You could give a monkey a gun and, assuming it didn't do monkey sh/t (like looking down the barrel with finger on the trigger) and acccidentally kill itself, I think it could just RANDOMLY hit a target more times than all of that hail of gunfire from "experts".

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Not validating your reasoning because it is flawed. I am just pointing out that suburban cops are not accustomed to situations like this, so we should not be surprised that they were not prepared to handle it.

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Actually your are validating our reasoning.

If they had been accustomed to situations like that, they would have been better prepared and not had such terrible shell groupings. (i.e they would not have freaked out as bad and therefore the placement of their bullets would have been better).

So, in your eyes, our cops could do a better job of protecting us if every effin' suburb was a virtual war zone?



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Simma down now. No need to get defensive.

Just saying the same thing you are. Nothing more. Nothing less.

The officers that first responded were not used to the situation they were placed in and this caused them to freak out a little.

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You don't think cops get scared? Especially those that serve in areas with tight gun control?

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I had to navigate up the thread to try to figure out where you were coming from on this. The above quote makes no sense at all. If the cops were scared (as anyone would be in such a situation), it seems to me that their fear would have no correlation at all to whatever gun control laws in the state, or the local zoning ordinances, or the library's overdue book policy.

And for what it's worth, based on the demographics and geography, my guess is that the percentage of gun owners in Watertown is significantly higher than it is in many other parts of the state, which makes it about average when measured against the whole country. The gun laws are a non issue in this incident, so what is the point in bringing it up?

My roommate from A&M is living in Mass. He told me he had to get permission from the police chief to even own a gun, let alone have a concealed permit. Do they even allow those in Mass? I really find it hard to believe that gun ownership in Watertown is even close to the national average.

Be that as it may, my point was that the police on the scene were not as used to dealing with people that have guns as most cops, which turns out the to be the case. My assumption may have been wrong (less experience due to gun control versus less experience due to being suburban cops) but my conclusion was right (lack of experience resulted in terrible shell groupings).

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(lack of experience resulted in terrible shell groupings

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I'm more concerned with bullet groupings, than shell groupings

They passed me up, confronted all the dope fiends

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I'm more concerned with bullet groupings, than shell groupings

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Touche

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He told me he had to get permission from the police chief to even own a gun

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As I understand it, the law puts the responsibility on the police chief if there is no designated local authority. In other words, the larger the town, the less likely you have to get permission from the police chief. I also understand that gun ownership in smaller towns can be as much as four times what it is in the larger cities, which is why I speculated that gun ownership in Watertown, a town of 30,000, might be more than double the state average, as it is with other towns that size.

damn they took the pictures down.

anyone have a mirror?

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So if you had a gun and that vantage point, would you have taken the shots?

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I probably would have called 911, explained that I had a rifle and perfect shots on the two suspects, and asked what they wanted me to do.

So you're going to let some dispatcher who makes 7.50 an hour make the decision for you?

Don't dispatchers make like 12 bucks an hour?

You know what I mean.

I feel like they probably have call forwarding.

It probably would depend on the dispatcher. My initial thoughts would they would tell you to get down and out of the way to prevent injuries or death. That's what their trainings tell them to do.

I know little to nothing about the training that dispatchers go through, but I hazard to guess that they would ask for an exact location and tell you to get away/down. Then I would assume they would dispatch a police officer to that scene to check out the scenario.

Well, I'm pretty sure one of the last things you should do is stand in the window with your iphong like some ****nut.

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So you're going to let some dispatcher who makes 7.50 an hour make the decision for you?

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Either 1. The dispatcher tells me to do it, at which I have pretty much no responsibility for the outcome, or 2. The dispatcher gets someone on the line that knows what they're talking about and #1 continues to be true.

I'll take my chances with a jury.

Not a bad idea, TR.