Ross Volunteers temporarily suspended

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willis01
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Ross Volunteers suspended after disruption

By Sarah Walch
February 06, 2003

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The Ross Volunteer Honor Corps association, an organization within Texas A&M's Corps of Cadets touted as the Honor Guard for the governor of Texas, has been temporarily suspended pending an investigation, said Maj. Doc Mills, Corps spokesman.

The Ross Volunteers attended the inauguration of Gov. Perry in Austin in January, and also marched in the inauguration parade for President Bush in January 2000.

The cadets were suspended after the Office of the Commandant received complaints from students and community members of harassment by the Ross Volunteers at a candlelight prayer vigil on Monday, Feb. 3.

The suspension comes just three months after the University Police Department began investigating allegations of hazing in Parsons Mounted Cavalry, a specialized Corps unit similar to the Ross Volunteers, in November.

The candlelight vigil was held to protest the possible war with Iraq and pray for peace near the Lawrence Sullivan Ross statue in Academic Plaza at 6 p.m. Monday, Feb. 3.

Hugh Stearns, a vigil attendee and Class of 1992, said the behavior of the cadets was clearly antagonistic.

"They ran around the area screaming and yelling," he said. "Our ministers had to stop speaking. Some of the cadets glared (at us)."

Stearns said he was aware that Corps members jog on campus on a daily basis, but this situation was different.

Most of the Corps groups are extremely courteous, Stearns said.

From their actions Monday, however, "there was no loss of understanding as to the symbolism of their behavior," he said.

The A&M students at the vigil reserved the plaza through the University, Stearns said. The University Complex Center allows University-recognized student organizations to reserve the area by Rudder Fountain, the West Campus mall area and the area by Sul Ross in the Academic plaza, as "free speech zones."

He said about 30 people, including Bryan-College Station residents and A&M students, attended the event.

Unitarian minister Danita Noland was one of two ministers who spoke at the vigil.

Noland said halfway through the first minister's speech, one group of cadets arrived, and stopped near the group by a bench.

The chant the volunteers yelled when entering and leaving Academic plaza was "Some say freedom isn't free, but we know Aggies who paid the price," said Mike McCaig, a sophomore finance member and bystander at the event.

"After they moved off, I thought that was it. But during my speech, a second group approached," she said. "There was one large group behind us, and the leader got up on the bench and addressed the other cadets."

Noland said she heard the speaker talk about 'the people over there.'

She said 100-plus cadets then started running around outside the parameters of the group.

"A few of them (were) pointing (their) weapons at us in a menacing way," Noland said. "I think they thought it was funny."

Ross Volunteers carry real weapons that have been demilitarized, Mills said. He said the practice rifles are not operable, and serve a ceremonial purpose.

Noland said she spoke with the Office of the Commandant and representatives from Student Life.

"Everyone I have spoken to has been extremely responsive," she said. "There is a real commitment from the administration to see this thing through."

Noland said her hope is that hostilities between students will decrease, and that distrust is not increased between the Corps and students outside of the Corps.

On a campus of about 45,000, the Corps is made up of about 2,000 individuals.

This is not an attempt to get people in trouble, Noland said. But, she said, "this is not the kind of behavior most people would be proud of."

McCaig said he observed the protest and drill by the Ross Volunteers Monday night.

Any allegations of threats are unfounded, McCaig said.

"There was no contact between the two groups," he said. "The group of about 150 did their normal drills, but they didn't do anything to intimidate the group. No one drew their weapons or made any intimidating gestures."

Mills said the office of the Commandant does not condone the misconduct of cadets and will take disciplinary action if it is warranted.


If this is old news, sorry. But I am shocked the Office of the Commandant is siding with these people.

eric76
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The A&M students at the vigil reserved the plaza through the University, Stearns said. The University Complex Center allows University-recognized student organizations to reserve the area by Rudder Fountain, the West Campus mall area and the area by Sul Ross in the Academic plaza, as "free speech zones."
So what University-recognized student organization was this?
AggieSarah01
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The article tells it much differently than the poster who eyewitnessed it told us yesterday afternoon - you should write in a mail call about it and explain what really happened?
Jock 97
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I've never been overly fond of Rat Vaginas but this is ridiculous. Since when is a running cadence a "chant" that is used to intimidate bystanders? The whole allurement of being threatened by the dummy weapons is also insane! I don't follow the Corps much these days, but I was hoping Van Alstyne would help restore the mess that Ted Hopgood created.

[Nevermind. -- Staff]

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3 Sisters
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Jock 97...a guy who obviously wasn't elected and is still bitter.

Did you come up with "Rat Vaginas" all by yourself?...very nice.
aggie93
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This infuriates me! The RV's drill in front of the Academic building on a regular basis and it is not their responsibility to change their patterns for a group of war protestors. They did nothing that they don't do every day and are required to do in order to perform Silver Taps.

BTW, even if some did "snicker" or "make glaring faces" at these protestors, so what? So I guess everyone has a right to freedom of speech and expression except for Corps members?
3rd Platoon
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This is ABSOLUTE BS. I cannot believe this is happening, and as a former "Rat Vagina" (thanks, jackhole97), the administration and Trigon staff WILL be hearing from me.

I know EXACTLY what takes place at the end of practice at Academic Plaza. It's this kind of BS that demonstrations cause. All it takes is for one idiot to say, "well, uh, he pointed a rifle at me", whether true or not, and the RV's are roasted because of it.
Jock 97
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3 Sisters & 3rd PLT, believe it or not, not everyone that joins the Corps wants to become an RV. If you are one, then congratulations. I had a lot of good friends as well as 3 family members who were members of the Ross Volunteer Company. I didn't apply, so I'm guessing that may have hurt my chances in the selection process. The RV's are the Official Honor Guard for the Governor of Texas and their performances during both the Inaugural Parade and Mardi Gras do Texas A&M proud. Their expertise and demeanor during Silver Taps and Muster is chilling and exceptionally moving. I am unhappy with the Commandant’s decision to temporarily suspend this organization rather than giving them the benefit of the doubt until he can determine whom if any, individuals were involved in the accusations named.

If you are a RV and are overly sensitive to the widely used nickname in my previous post, I'll edit it and change it to 'Ross Volunteers'. Just FYI though, once you get into the real world nobody will give a damn about your pretty yellow and white cord.



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Rec
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It was always my contention that RVs (good one jock!) and Cav, took away input and experience from the fish. Luckily none of my (non-staff) buddies puckered up for it, and look hey we won GM, wouldn't ya know?

But this is disgusting!

JeepWaveEarl
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"once you get into the real world nobody will give a damn about your pretty yellow and white cord."

Funny, that was one thing that set him apart with his current job from the other very qualified 207 final applicants.... don't speak unless you know.

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Rec
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You gotta be kidding me? RVs put him over the top?

/cynical Yeah the rest of the Corps did nothing while the RVs were drilling.

I have nothing against RVs, I just chose to spend that time with my freshmen instead.

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Jock 97
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don't speak unless you know.


Cool, which RV platoon were you in?
3rd Platoon
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No one in the real world gives a Rat's Jockstrap that you were in E-1, either, so get over yourself.

If you didn't apply, then that's your decision. You may not have been picked anyway, but I know that I was picked for reasons more than 'popularity contest' sake. Believe it or not, the same holds true for a heckuva lot of other RVs as well, but I guess we're all a-holes for 'selling out'.

Rec, I urge you to come out to an RV practice sometime and see how the RVs meet up at Academic Plaza. You'll see what goes on, and HAS GONE ON for years there. It's then that you might be able to put your obvious bias aside and realize that nothing went on.
wildmanbq98
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As an RV Squat class of '98 , I will ask that all CT's and BQ's on this board not turn this into a discussion about the pros and cons of being an RV vs. not being one.

What this thread/conversation really should be about is the current situation. We could sit around all day and rib each other about the other stuff all day, but lets do that in private and not on a message board. Cool?

"There once was a man who died in a war, back in 1944. Before he died he had one request: send my boy among the best. Send my boy to A&M, make an Aggie out of him. And if he wants just a little bit more, have him join the Aggie Corps."

In the end we are all brothers/sisters, who wore the same uniform, and in the end, you are right, it does not matter what trinkets we wore on that uniform.

And if you weren't in the Corps, then we're all Aggies, and that means something.

wildmanbq98
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3-1 '99, email me.
Rec
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3P, I think you misunderstood me I meant that the rest of the Corps doesn;t sleep while RVs drill. No offense meant.

Has there ever been a commander who wasnt an RV? just wondering
Jock 97
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No one in the real world gives a Rat's Jockstrap that you were in E-1


True, perhaps that's why I went to D-1 when our original outfit split. To my knowledge though, I haven't been pounding my chest about any school affiliation. You're right, I probably wouldn't have been picked. The way I look at it, I saved the selections committee fifteen minutes of their lives by not having to review my application. I sincerely apologize for my previous jab. When I was at A&M, I was able to kid around with my RV friends and family members, as I have also always taken jokes from the majority of my friends who attended t.u. I guess some of us are blessed with thicker skin, and are able to not take ourselves too seriously.

Though not a former RV, I will be expressing my displeasure with the Commandant's decision as well. Or, is there a "super-secret-selections" process for drafting a letter and deeming who is worthy to address this issue?

P.S. Nowhere in my posts did I say RV's "sold out". Please reread my last post, I think it does a pretty good job of showing my appreciation for the Ross Volunteers.





[This message has been edited by Jock 97 (edited 2/6/2003 10:57a).]
terlingua
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Some of the cadets glared (at us)


Woooo!

Hollywood PC at its finest. Paleeeese.
Jock92
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I'm in the real world and I care that he was in E1.

Of course I might be biased!
Rec
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I'm curious about Rat jockstraps...
JeepWaveEarl
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hey.. it sounded good..

my point exactly.. none of us know what RV's got 3 sisters, so we shouldn't make assumptions it didn't make a difference, period

ham98
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Maybe someone should notify the governor
Rec
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nm

[This message has been edited by Rec (edited 2/6/2003 10:47a).]
3rd Platoon
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I talked to some members of the Trigon staff earlier and they said this will be resolved very soon. They sat with some of the protest organizers and explained the RV history and reason for gathering. They said that the protest organizers were accepting of the explanation.

I can see where they'd feel threatened. The Commandant is very sharp and once he's fully aware and has a logical, reasonable explanation, the RV's will be reinstated.

wildman98, what email addy? You can send one to me.

3P99@aggieland.net

[This message has been edited by 3rd Platoon (edited 2/6/2003 12:05p).]
-EAD-
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They needed to be suspended, so they could look into the situation, and have people believe they are serious about investigating it.

We all know the RV's were doing their normal thing, but there is a PR issue to deal with here and I promise the Commandant knows how to handle it.
justag
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Why didnt everyone get this roused up when the CAV became suspended?



Oh Yeah all they do is piss on each other and use horse manure as war paint.
wh99p
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So now A&M is suspending organizations for what...thought crimes?
GI
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I personally have nothing against the RV's. I didn't make it, but in retrospect, like Drum Major tryouts, I'm glad I didn't because that freed up the time I needed to get my degree and commission on time.
3rd Platoon
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I graduated on time, GI. RVs and Corps weren't the only organization I was heavily involved in, either....

LifeLongAg
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The protestors got what they wanted, which was attention. If the RV's had ignored them entirely, the whole incident would have never happened and the 30 or so protestors would have protested into the wind because no one would have paid any attention. Sometimes the best action to be taken is no action.
Aggie99
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This is complete crap. This is a witch hunt.


PS To some others, show the RVs some respect.

Aggie99
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Talk about GUILTY before proven INNOCENT.

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