Aggie99,

Do you actually KNOW many girls in sororities...because you claim to. But, most sororities girls are VERY involved in A&M. How many people do you know on muster and traditions counsel? Because...I know 8...and they're all in my sorority. Damn bad aggies...huh?

What's this? Greeks scheduled a party during Silver Taps? Why am I not surprised that they haven't changed since I was a student there?

And yes, I have been to many Silver Taps to all the Greeks who will ask me that and try to justify their oversight.

Since you're whining about people not answering a direct question, please answer mine:

"Please show me where on this thread I bashed Greeks"

I'd say the same about any organization who planned something the same night as Silver Taps.

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I think Matt wanted to get back at the girl who crushed him to the party. We pay money to crush people.... Our parties...they're expensive...and, he knows that. He was being a jerk...to her, mostly. Yes, the crush party had ill timing...but, their biggest flaw, was a jerky guest list...if you ask me. There were other ways to let Kappa know he was disappointed.

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Dumbest thing I've ever read. You proved wh99p correct when he predicted you still wouldn't be able to understand what this is all about.

Christi- you edited the only part where you did. I wasn't trying to directly attack you...I just get upset that people are so closeminded

everyone else- I too have been to many silver taps...I only miss the ones that are rainy. I live off campus, it's a pain to get up to school...but I do it, usually. I'm not trying to justfy anything I did. I'm not a Kappa. I just think you guys need to lighten up a bit...and not be so quick to throw stones.

Dumpest thing ever? Really...

Suppose you actually associated yourself with greeks...if a friend of yours paid for you to attend a party with her...that was during silver taps...would you write a nasty article to the batt? or would just simply not go?

Reminder...this girl is your FRIEND!

blah blah blah... I think his letter was great.

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I wasn't trying to directly attack you...

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That's why you started it off with 'Christi', right?

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Parties are scheduled semesters in advance and when it is only two or three people planning the calendar, it is very easy to forget about things like Silver Taps, even if you do know that it's the first Tuesday of the month.

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Then maybe... just maybe... someone should make a friggin' note of it and make it a priority for the future? This isn't the first time something like this has happened, and every time something along the lines of "we forgot" is said in response.

I doubt these girls have such a hard time remembering their hair, nail, and tanning appointments, or when their membership dues have to be paid.

No, I did not make every single one when I was at A&M...but I can damn well assure you one thing - I wasn't out boozing it up at a party on those nights I wasn't there.

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Instead of being a classless jerk by insulting the girl who paid for his invitation in the newspaper, why didn't he call Kappa exec and point out their oversight and then provide possible solutions?

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Because anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that social stigma and public ridicule gets far better results than private criticism.

Again, I have to ask:

Why even attend A&M if you ridicule, disrespect the traditions? You can be in a sorority at ANY university. Why enroll at all?

Yes, change is good, but one party couldn't be postponed one day? How hard is this?
If you don't want to attend Silver Taps, don't respect the traditions, then why did you choose A&M?

Christi is right; she never attacked the Greek system, and this HAS been done to death.

[This message has been edited by janag81 (edited 2/6/2003 12:27p).]

Aggie99 - Are you wh99p? I believe the bitter comment was directed to him and it was a joke anyways. As for jenni not understanding the article, I am sure she got that the letter was supposed to be sarcastic and funny while pointing out that Kappa is a terrible organization full of bad Aggies for planning a crush on Silver Taps. I believe her point was that it was tacky and very rude to the person who invited him. He could have done a lot more constructive things as I mentioned above. Also, you said you chose to go to Silver Taps over crush parties. That is great. I am sure other people chose ot go to Silver Taps on the night of the Kappa crush party. Maybe they went to the party late or never showed up at all. Kappa didn't force anyone to skip Silver Taps. There are over 30,000 students who do not go each month, and I'm not saying that is right, just that they are going to be doing something else at that time. Kappa may have hurt their attendance at their own party, but I assure you that they didn't hurt Silver Taps attendance.

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Also, I'm very interested in something. Everyone's who posted DID go to silver taps on Tuesday? correct? and, none of you have missed a single one while being a student at Texas A&M, right? I'm SURE that's the case. Especially for those of us who have lived off campus.

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I didn't go because I live in Austin. When I went to A&M, I made most of the Silver Taps. A friend of mine was killed in 1996 in a car accident on the way back from Bonfire cut site, and Silver Taps took on a whole new meaning for me. I admit that over the course of 4 years I missed some of them, but I never chose a theme party over Silver Taps.

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Wh99p - bitter because he was never invited to sorority crush parties...

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Actually I dated a sorority girl for awhile when I went to A&M, and I got sick of all the stupid crush parties/mixers/formals I was forced to go to. But hey, now I've got plenty of t-shirts to wash my truck with.

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Crush Parties are planned months in advance.

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but, their biggest flaw, was a jerky guest list

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To start, yes I attended every taps when I was an undergrad. Even the ones where we quit working on Bonfire to go to.

jen is missing the point in her first quote. Taps has been every first Tuesday of the month since 1898. Is it really that hard to move a party a day or two here and there during planning?

Biggest flaw is a jerky guest list? Right, this is his fault. He called you guys up and said, "Why don't you have a party on Feb. 4th. It'll be fun"

KKG, Aggies First*

*Not including social events or house meetings.

Matt is a classless attention junkie. If he took issue with the invitation he should have let whomever invited him know that he could not attend due to Silver Taps. But no, he wanted to let the world know what a GREAT AG he is, so he writes a letter to the Batt.

Hes a petty little boy out to make himself look better. Must have a sad home life.

"Family, religion, friendship.....these are the demons you must slay to succeed in business."

C. Montgomery Burns

This guy is not a jerk, he is using sarcasm to make a point: Sororities, as well as every other social group at A&M should exercise a little more foresight and judgment when scheduling events.

When I say that parties are planned months in advance, I mean that contracts are made, huge sums of money are exchanged. When we did calendar planning at my sorority, Silver taps was marked on the calendar. However, I can see how if it wasn't marked because people figured it would be remembered, it would be easy in July to say, "Hey this day has the right price and doesn't conflict with all these other things we have to plan around." When it gets closer to the time and people realize the error, it is too late to go back on contracts. It's not like they are throwing a big bash with punch in the back yard. You try telling Don Ganter or some other business owner that you want your party moved to the next day after everything has been negotiated and paid for, buses have been ordered, etc. And yes generally people should learn from their mistakes, but remember that it is different officers each year in charge of these things. I assure you that Kappa will not make this mistake again i nthe near future and probably neither will other sororities. However, in three years maybe new officers will make the same mistake - that doens't make them bad aggies.

Just because someone doesn't attend every single Silver Taps doesn't mean they don't respect the tradition. No, I haven't been to every single Silver Taps in my 10 semesters here. But you want to know why. I have been to 2 Silver Taps where I was good friends with atleast one of the people being honored at Silver Taps, and going there makes me sad. And it brings up a lot of personal pain that I have worked hard to not re-live every day since November 18, 1999. So now are you going to call me a bad Aggie, just because I don't attend Silver Taps every month.

I do feel that Geise was making a personal attack public and was very classless. And for all you people that say, "why couldn't they push the party back a day?" Have you ever tried to organize and event for 200+ people. That is a hard thing to do. You can't just at last minute say "oh hey, can all you people we booked for today come back tomorrow." You people know it doesn't work that way. Use some common sense.

It isnt like this is something new. This happens every single semester, and every semester, I am reminded why I am a good Aggie and not a Greek.

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because you weren't 'cool' enough?

Guitarsoup, I attended Texas A&M from the fall of 98 to the Spring of 02. I remember it happening once. every semester? give me a break.

Wilbur, what are you hitting Mr. Ed with a baseball bat?

I remember it happening a number of times. This certainly isnt the first time the Greeks have done something like this.
They should not be a part of A&M any more than the Dixie Chicken should be.

Guitar

Relax and quit being such a drama queen.

"Family, religion, friendship.....these are the demons you must slay to succeed in business."

C. Montgomery Burns

For all those defending the sorority, I have one simple yes or no question:

Do you think it is appropriate for student organizations to plan and hold activities, especially those of a celebratory nature, that are in direct conflict with Silver Taps?


[This message has been edited by Keegan99 (edited 2/6/2003 1:06p).]

So I guess all of those who are getting their panties on a wad over this should head to every bar and restaurant in CS on the night of Silver Taps and rake all of the customers over the coals.

This is just another immature example of the intolerance that is rampid at A&M.

You are the one being a drama queen and bashing everyone you can get your grubby little hands on. Relax and have fun freezing your butt off at Mich.

...and another "other people don't go to taps, too" apologist.

BTW, I really like those that are attacking the author of the letter. Shooting the messenger is another nice tactic when you are unable to defend a position on its merits.

That whole letter smacks of someone who's lost yell leader elections and want's to point out how much of a "good Ag" he is.

Ya know what Geise? i got crushed to the party too, but what did i do? i called my friend and politely told her that i wouldn't be attending, or if i did, it would be after Silver Taps. Your ploy is nothing more than a stunt to draw attention to yourself. I'm embarassed for you AND your Kappa friend.

They extended their check in time until 11:30 that night, which i believe was to give people ample time to go to Taps and then head to the party.

And let's not fool ourselves here, i guarantee that probably about half of their invite list included NON-Fraternity men. and not to burst y'alls bubble, but i had corps buddies that loved to skip Taps. They'd hide in the library, or they'd sit in their rooms and lock the door and turn out the lights so they wouldn't have to take the extra effort to put on a uniform.

But whatever, I'm a fraternity guy, and i'll still bet i'm more of an Aggie than half the people on this board.

KS 361
"Love, Honor, Truth"



Member of TEAM NO FUN
Runners Up, Biannual World Quarters Tournament

If an organization wishes to plan an event during Silver Taps, Muster or any other Aggie event then that is their business. It should merely concern those who are members of that organization.

So plan away, if the members take issue with it then things will change and no more events will be planned that confict with Taps.

AnnArbor - aren't you gonna say anything back to Soupguitar?

Ok, so AggieNAnnArbor is down as a very long-winded "yes".

Keegan,

The point is to show that people like you finger the greeks because of your dislike of them when there are plenty of other students who also do not attend Silver Taps.

The Greek system is a part of life at A&M whether you like it not and will continue to be so. Get over yourself.