I checked a couple of the things this guy posted and it checked out. This isn't a very good piece of legislation if you ask me. Just a FYI.

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2009/07/whats-in-healthacre-bill.html

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Following the mad recommendations of Peter Singer made in NYT's Sunday magazine, it pays to take a look at what is actually in the healthcare bill.

It's worse than you can possibly imagine. Somehow, it manages to be Singer on steroids. Who wrote this bill. It has Singer's footprints all over it.

Peter Fleckstein (aka Fleckman) is reading it and has been posting on Twitter his findings. This is from his postings (Note: All comments are Fleckman's)

Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benes u get

Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!


Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose UR HC Benefits 4 you. U have no choice!

PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided 2 ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

Pg 58HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access 2 individs finances & a National ID Healthcard will b issued!

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 ur banks accts 4 elect. funds transfer

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan 4 retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange 2 bring priv HC plans under Govt control.

PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs 4 priv. HC plans in the Exchange

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration ur Healthcare!

PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic approp svcs. Example - Translation 4 illegal aliens

Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps 2 sign up indiv. for Govt HC plan

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans. #AARP members - U Health care WILL b rationed

-PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will b automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice

pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monop

pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what u can make.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into pub opt plan. NO CHOICE

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay 4 HC 4 part time employees AND their families.

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Emplyr w payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll

pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll btw 251k & 400k who doesnt prov. pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC accrdng 2 Govt will be taxed 2.5% of inc

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from indiv. taxes. (Americans will pay)

Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access 2 ALL Americans finan/pers recs

PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that

Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician svcs 4 Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected

Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesnt matter what specialty u have, you'll all be paid the same

PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr's time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans.

PG 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries

PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs

PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals 4 what Govt deems preventable readmissions.

Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admiss that results in a readmiss-Govt will penalize u.

Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.

Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand

pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have oppt to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can u say ACORN?!!

Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates estab. of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing

Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority 2 disqual Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing peeps in2 Govt plan

Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs ppl! WTF. My sis has down syndrome!!

Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Cmtte. Can u say HC by phone?

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides apprvd list of end of life resources, guiding u in death

PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program 4 orders 4 end of life. The Govt has a say in how ur life ends

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "adv. care planning consult" will b used frequently as patients health deteriorates

PG 429 Lines 10-12 "adv. care consultation" may incl an ORDER 4 end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment u will have at end of life

Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!?

Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based org. Like ACORN?

PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt in2 ur marriage

Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those svcs

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but but but this is what the people want

get outta my healthcare

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PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr's time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans.

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actual legislation

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4 ‘‘(L) VALIDATING RELATIVE VALUE
5 UNITS.—
6 ‘‘(i) IN GENERAL.—The Secretary
7 shall establish a process to validate relative
8 value units under the fee schedule under
9 subsection (b).
10 ‘‘(ii) COMPONENTS AND ELEMENTS
11 OF WORK.—The process described in
12 clause (i) may include validation of work
13 elements (such as time, mental effort and
14 professional judgment, technical skill and
15 physical effort, and stress due to risk) in
16 volved with furnishing a service and may
17 include validation of the pre, post, and
18 intra-service components of work.
19 ‘‘(iii) SCOPE OF CODES.—The valida
20 tion of work relative value units shall in
21 clude a sampling of codes for services that
22 is the same as the codes listed under sub
23 paragraph (K)(ii).
24 ‘‘(iv) METHODS.—The Secretary may
25 conduct the validation under this subpara-
1 graph using methods described in sub
2 clauses (I) through (V) of subparagraph
3 K)(iii) as the Secretary determines to be
4 appropriate.
5 ‘‘(v) ADJUSTMENTS.—The Secretary
6 shall make appropriate adjustments to the
7 work relative value units under the fee
8 schedule under subsection (b). The provi
9 sions of subparagraph (B)(ii)(II) shall
10 apply to adjustments to relative value units
11 made pursuant to this subparagraph in the
12 same manner as such provisions apply to
13 adjustments under subparagraph
14 (B)(ii)(II).’’.

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there is no way the government would use this to ration healthcare

this is EFFed up!!

This s*** had better just die. Its ridiculous.

First let me say that I am against it……and I will vote against any politician who votes for it regardless of party...
Second:
Will all politicians including congress and
the president, etc. be included in the bill or
will they be excluding themselves.

What does that tell you.....

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PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program 4 orders 4 end of life. The Govt has a say in how ur life ends

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Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!

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http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/21/obama.health.care/index.html

The frustrating thing about this is I don't think the President can back down on this even if every living soul on earth knows its a bad idea.

Do you realize how unbelievably popular Obama would be if he told Congress that this bill was a piece of ****?

Dude, he wants this done. Why else is he rushing it?

Where's that bleeding-heart, token liberal from the East Coast that's known to put is .02 on matters like this?

Probably eating a dik.

This is so disgusting.

Why people continue to support this level of gov't control is beyond me.

This country is doomed if this and Cap & Trade pass.

There will be no economic freedom for anyone.

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Where's that bleeding-heart, token liberal from the East Coast that's known to put is .02 on matters like this?

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They only come around to defend two dudes getting married or the right to kill a fetus....this is job highway robbery and a power grab...

BUT HEY!!! OBAMA SUPPORTS TWO GUYS GETTING MARRIED AND KILLING BABIES.

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This country is doomed if this and Cap & Trade pass.

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This healthcare bill worries me much more than C&T. Even if it passes, C&T can be eliminated. Once this healthcare gets passed, it won't be going anywhere.

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Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 ur banks accts 4 elect. funds transfer

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OBAMA SUPPORTS TWO GUYS GETTING MARRIED

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well that isn't the stance he took during the election

i am not a supporter of him in any way shape or form but he did say he was for the protection of marriage being between a man and a woman

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i am not a supporter of him in any way shape or form but he did say he was for the protection of marriage being between a man and a woman

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If this is true then I stand corrected.

yeah.... human rights aren't important

not for YOU PEOPLE




(j/k)

gays aren't human, 3DB, so that doesn't really apply here

i know that but he doesn't... keep it hush hush

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PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided 2 ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from indiv. taxes. (Americans will pay)

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Why in the holy hell should we provide free healthcare to all illegal aliens when the same bill says our healthcare will be rationed? And this is only one of the hundred things wrong with the healthcare plan.

3 dollar bill....

It is not about Human rights not being important, its that somebody would vote to bankrupt our country just because that person supports two mean getting married....

What two people do is of no concern to me, but fiscal issues that affect EVERYBODY come before social issues that affect one person....

Social issues are going to bankrupt our country.

exactly what Bco says

fiscal issues should never play second fiddle to social issues in any circumstance


whats the point of having this so called "equality" if the country goes to **** economically?

oh look! everyone is sick, no one has jobs, and our economy is in the ****ter! but gays can get married, life is good!

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fiscal issues should never play second fiddle to social issues in any circumstance

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really? probably one of the more ignorant responses i have seen from you

really? so you think we should vote social first, fiscal second?


main reason our economy is tanking

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fiscal issues should never play second fiddle to social issues in any circumstance

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Didn't we fight a civil war over this?

3$, please explain your position rather than calling me ignorant and running away

seeing as how our country was founded on freedom and equality i think it's probably a good idea not to forget about it. this argument is absolutely retarded seeing as how we will never have to choose to vote one or the other. it is a choice after all. and if the majority of americans elected obama by a landslide and did so based on social issues i would say that you are in the minority think tank, my friend

i personally am not a big fan of a lot of democratic views nor am i a fan of many republican views...but until a strong party focusing on conservative fiscal issues and liberal social issues is formed then i guess i'll just sit somewhere in the middle

i voted libertarian