Illinois, lsu, tech, tu, baylor

tech and t.u. over UVA, duke, pepperdine, FSU, etc?

tech will be way down they lost 4 of 6...texas will be very tough as they are solid throughout the lineup..pepp, uva will be very tough and both nat'l title contenders..baylor will be down w/o dorsch and becker..illinois will struggle some w/o their old coach..fsu lost 2 of their top 3..also, pollock will need some time to adjust if you expect him to play 2-3, in the fall i saw him play at the midland tourny and he is not at that level

TXag731 - you are completely wrong when you said only 2 of the top 10 guys were 6 feet..7 of the top 10 are at least 6 feet tall and the of three guys that arent (huey, luchici, bass) only luchici will stay close to the top 10 once the dual season begins

baylor will still be the team to beat. tu will be much improved. I said lsu not fsu. tech will also still be very tough. Illinois will be top 10. agree about uva.

tech will not be very tough they will be lucky to stay in the top 30..they lost 4 of their top 6 nijaki, paulsen, tanik, innerebner..baylor will have a hard time winning the big 12 after losing the past 2 ncaa champs (becker/dorsch)..poershke is ranked 1 after the fall but its a big jump to move from 3 to 1 match in and match out and he will not be the auto point that dorsch was, the same is true for kotka playing 2 compared to becker, brown/zgaga will be tough at 3-4, portnov/ward/galic are very beatable 5-6..i could see the ags/tu/baylor all going 1-1 against each other

Cory: great to hear from you on this thread. Thanks for the insight. Take care. NCL.

Yeah I am sorry for that 731..but the taller you're in tennis the better..Ante does have a better pro game...cook has no weapons..

Meteor,

First of all I have to say LOL because of you being so humble and self proclaiming yourself a bad arse. If you werent able to play at a top 25 school I wouldnt say bad arse I might say good or decent, but you are no bad arse. I never got the chance to play John in HS but I saw him play at several different tournies and for your knowledge if he beat you in HS he would absolutly crush you now. I have played with John and know him decently well and trust me, he was probably jacking around with you in HS. He is a great player and great guy. So before you try and get your rock soft dreaming about how good you were in HS realize that you are on the sidelines and show some respect to someone who would probably throw up some bagels on you.

tu preseason #22, ttu #23, baylor #7 per ita. ill. #4, and lsu #10. uva #1 but have already lost andf the reason I did not pick that match was because it was so early in the season. we have a tough schedule overall, not many easy ones.

clarification: i didn't say they weren't six feet, i said they weren't TALLER THAN six feet. semantics, i know, as there were like 4 or 5 that were right at 6'0''. however, these days 6'0'' isn't necessarily tall...6'0'' is average. i would say guys like ante, isner, and those two giants from middle tennessee state are "tall"...guys who are 6'0'' wouldn't really stick out in a crowd.

i totally agree about tech and baylor taking considerable steps down this year, and tu being much better. tech is basicly depleted and , as cory said, baylor lost 2 national champs.

isal- i agree that lsu (especially on the road) and illinois are going to be tough...i was justing wondering if you really thought tech and tu were going to be tougher than pepperdine, fsu, and duke and UVA on the road.

rebel you can stuff it. So what if he could crush some guy that hasn't played since high school..who cares he is at best a six player and I would wager he won't have a 500 record this year.

rebel you can stuff it. So what if he could crush some guy that hasn't played since high school..who cares he is at best a six player and I would wager he won't have a 500 record this year.

I never said anything about him being a top national caliber player did I? I may be wrong but you sure seem to think I said he was all-world or something. I agree John will probably not crack the top 3-4 on A&M's roster but that does not mean he is a bad player. I think its disrespectful to put down any athlete at A&M for such reasons. Crap Brian Blackburn is 5'8 and he's on the basketball team!!! Inless you have seen how hard those guys have to work in practice and workouts you have no clue what kind of respect should be shown to every player no matter if they are ranked or not.

Simple facts:
John is a letterman from a top 25 program.
John is 36-29 in singles play and has improved his level of play after redshirting.
John won Texas 5A singles title.

Oh and last but not least...

Aggie11 is a d0uche bag fairweather fan.

BTW I will take your bet about John not being over .500 this year. How much you wanting to wager on it?


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Aggie11 is a d0uche bag fairweather fan.

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haha. This coming from you I know people who know you..so you can stuff it.. Yes I will take the bet let me know your pice sucker.

I am not questioning anyone's work ethic I am simply stating he is a below avg division I tennis player. I bet the last guy on the team works his butt off that doesn't make him a good player. ****** bag.

One thing you must remember is that mens tennis is only allowed 4.5 scholorships. Thus very few guys are on a full ride. Many are on very small portions of scholorship. Some guys that play receive no financial aid from the athletic department. The amount a player gets also may change from sememster to semester. I don't know what, if anything,John received either as a freshman or this year. The point is, however, that all coaches are looking for guys that may be able to contribute and don't cost very much in terms of scholorship money.

Sub par for all of Div. 1? or of top 25 teams? I will give you time to not look like an idiot and say all of Div. 1. If John played at somewhere like SMU who hangs around in the 40's or so he would be one of the top 2 or 3 players... So saying sub par for all of Div. 1 is flat out retarded. If you meant top 25 schools I will agree with you. Anyone who is a #6 would be considered sub par for those teams. Saying for all of div. 1 though is idiotic.

How much is the bet for?

Nallon would not play top 2-3 for SMU or any team in the top 50. What makes those teams weaker is the guys down below, they top 1-3 are always pretty good and can compete with the top teams. The difference between teams in the top 25 and top 50 is very minimal throughout the lineup. There are only a few cases in which a 6 guy at a top 25 team would play 2-3 on a pretty good team (only if the 6 guy would be ranked in the top 100 - Lovrak formerly at Baylor and Gruendler at UCLA last year would be a couple that could play higher at other schools) Nallon is a great competitor and is a solid 6 for a top 15-25 team.

731 - I jumped the gun and apologize.

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it' all good

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TxAg731 - no hard feelings then -- maybe we have met (and if so, then funnily enough, we are probably friends, I have deleted my previous post and please know that any subsequent arguments I make are intended only as friendly arguments between Aggies). That said, I still think you waffle a bit on your points.

1. Did you not say that height is not an issue? Take stance -- it either is, or it isn't. I say being 5'3" is a HUGE handicap in tennis.

2. Since you have seen the Serb and are a long-time Aggie fan and in the know about what it takes to succeed at this level, what do you think of his prospects?

For the record, I still think he is a bust - I wasn't trying to compare him to Ante or Fenner (you're very correct in saying that he's different than both)...I just meant in terms of how each of them lived up to their expectations after having been signed sight unseen...and I think you CAN call him a bust without having watched him play a match. People in the know knew Fenner was a bust a week after he got to campus (and that was just based on talent). He wasn't a terrible player, he just wasn't the world-beater that he was expected to be, and that's the way I think we'll end up feeling about this guy.

We can make a friendly bet on it if you want (I win either way, as I'll be happy to eat my words if I'm wrong).

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And by the way, I qualify a "bust" as a player not worth a scholarship (which, as it turns out, is the way Cass felt about Fenner). So I suppose that if he remains on the team for 3 or 4 years and contributes even moderately, you couldn't label him a bust.

JHC,

In high school i was a bad ass, but that's just it in HS. No I didn't get into a top 25 school, although i got offers from some D1 schools. I love A&M, and they are the only school in Texas that has Meteorology, and were damn good at it too. Probably #3 in Nation.

If John didn't bagle me now, he shouldn't be on the team. I guarentee you he would bagle me, now. And yes he probably was joking with me a little in HS. I never claimed that i could beat him, never once said that so get off my back.

As i'm sure you know there are many different levels of tennis. As john #1 in Tex, plays #6 at TAMU, our #1 won't go pro, and if he does, he won't crack the top 120. Didn't Shaun play #150 and get killed 1 and 2? Hows he doing by the way?

I never put off that I was as good as Nallon, I know i'm from the sidelines, and I love it. I love yelling for the ags at MTC. So ease up, and pull your panties out of your arse.

here is what i said about height:

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my point (is) that taller isn't always better. yes, if i had to design my prototypical tennis player, i would make him 6'2'' rather than 5'8''. however, being tall does not always equate to an advantage, especially if you lack speed, footwork, and determination.

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all things being equal (same strokes, same footwork, same speed, same tough mental game), yes, the taller guy has the advantage...more pop on the serve, better net coverage, better reach, etc. that is obvious. however, if the shorter guy is cleaner off the ground, has a better net game, and has a better mental game, being 6 inches, or even a foot taller, isn't going to help the big guy win. yes, being 5'3'' is a definite handicap in tennis...assuming that you just have decent strokes, weak volleys, and no killer instinct.

my point is that a 6 inch height advantage won't automatically help you beat a short guy if the short guy is a better tennis player. i wasn't trying to talk any high-level strategy...i figured that was just common sense.


about filip...it's too early to tell what his contribution will be to the team. it's not my place to say what needs to be done with him. he's got a long way to go, but he's a hard worker. he may need a year to get acclimated to college tennis...maybe as a redshirt, maybe just seeing limited action against weaker teams (which we won't really see this year, since we don't have any matches against trinity, ut-pan am, lamar, etc. like we have in years past). that's up to the coaches, obviously. he definitely has potential...otherwise we wouldn't have recruited him. he's not going to come out and win newcomer of the year like ante or dakki, and he might not even see the court this season. that doesn't mean that he was a waste of our time...we have had a few guys come through here that ended up not working out for one reason or another. he may end up being considered a "bust" by some people...i just thought it was a little premature to label him as such without seeing him play a dual match.

bottom line...filip is a good guy, he just needs some time to realize his potential over here.

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I say top 5 most important matches:

Pepperdine
Baylor
Illinois
Notre Dame
Texas

the longhorns will be much improved this year with their youngsters having some experience under their belts.and the other teams are the top (ten) in the nation so if we can hold our own against those 5, I'd say we can give the NCAA tournament a good run like last year. Baylor loses ALOT of talent but they have youngsters (think Texas last year).

Harry,
You dont have to be nice about Fenner. Fen Fen was the biggest bust in the history of NCAA tennis. He was like #7 down under, but that had to be a fluke. He got wasted by TAMU-CC's #6 back 3 years ago when they werent anywhere near what they are even today. (Which isnt exactly powerhouse)

Cory, What I meant to say about John was he should be a top 3 at somewhere like SMU or Tulsa. Look at Tulsa's #4 guy Will Gray. Gray was ranked in the 130's-140's in juniors. He is playing #4 at a school ranked right around 50. Nallon was a top 75 juniors player and is hanging on at 6. In all reality John "should" be a top 2-3 at tulsa or another school ranked in the 50's or so. I know ranks dont equal a good player always, but it is a good scale of how they should do.

BTW Meteo did you play supers or what? What HS did you go to if you dont mind me asking?

Wonder where Lunt will play? He was like #2 national juco player last year.

Anyone have an idea what the lineup will be?
#1 Jerry M.
then....?

what a guy is ranked in jrs is no bearing to where he should be playing on a college team, there are too many other factors that go in place once you get to the college level..some kids get a lot better (seth rose from so. car was not highly recruited at all and only had a few offers played 6 his first yr then was an All American and top 20, some kids don't improve much, and some can actually get worse doug stewart at uva has each year...nallon has improved some but does not have a big enough game to play higher in the lineup regardless of the school's ranking..as a rule of thumb your 1-3 players are guys that have big serves or big weapons that can keep them in a match against top players, while 4-6 guys are your grinders that don't have as big of weapons...

as for lunt...just b/c a guy is a top juco does not mean much..last yr at tcu we had the #1 juco and he did not live up to expectations and had a losing record in the lower half of the lineup...

jc rebel you sir are an idiot...your tennis knowledge is quite lacking.

hey reb name your price..I don't mind taking money from fools.

gotta love arguing about mens college tennis. now there's a sport that i believe no one gives 2 craps about...except for the 5 or 6 guys arguing about it.

this was a great read.

thanks guys

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gotta love arguing about mens college tennis. now there's a sport that i believe no one gives 2 craps about...except for the 5 or 6 guys arguing about it.

this was a great read.

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so says the guy who stuffs another big mac down his pie hole..






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ag711 - just like you gotta love grown 40-50 yr old men arguing about where 18 kids are going to play football next year...besides you read the "crap" and took the time to post on the thread so whats your point?

Wow quite a thread and instersting reading.

Obviously you guys do not know much about John, perhaps you should do some research, or ask him about his injry. He played from October to March in his sophmore year with two meniscus tears in his left knee before he took himself off the court.

When the team was leaving for Boise and the NCAAs, Nallon went to the airport to wish them well. He went to see his teammates off, stright from the recovery room after surgery. He showed up on crutches to bid them good luck.

Anyway, my guess for the lineup is:

Jerry, Daki, Nallon, Wooten, Joelson, Connor or Bain.

No live scoring tonight, guess we wait for the post.

any updates?? how can we not have updates?