*****Official Dallas Stars 2022-2023 season thread*****

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Benn and Seguin have no trade clauses. They aren't going anywhere. They would have been traded already if it was an option.

If we could get a bag of Doritos for Suter I'm all for it. He needs to go after that game 2 ending.
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TV Casualty said:

joshpettett said:

I will be rooting for Florida harder than any team not my own next round.
I hate these Vegas fans


Their fans talked a lot of crap at game 3. Making comments to Stars fans leaving after the game like "did you enjoy that game tonight".

Their fans were also really obnoxious at the game towards the end of the regular season. They were constantly talking down to the Stars as if they thought Vegas was an original 6 team or something.
They also think they invented yelling "Knight" during the anthem and think we stole it from them, lol. Whatever, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
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rather be fishing said:

Man, that was a crap ending to the season.

You have to imagine there's gotta be new D and a new backup G on the roster for next year. As great of year as Benn had, when do you let him far into the background or leverage him for some prospects? Same goes for Seguin. Suter better be gone, and I hope it works out to secure Domi and Dadanov.

Wouldn't be sad to see Marchment and Miller gone. I'd include Hakanpaa and Lindell, but you can only guy the D so much.


Benn and Seguin will be here until their contracts end.

Our entire current D-corps is signed up for next season. Can't really do much unless guys are traded out. Who would want them?

I fully expect to have Miro, Lindell, Harley, and Suter back. It would be nice to find an upgrade to play with Harley or Miro.

What trade can we facilitate with the garbage defensive chips we have? Maybe clear space for a free agent signing.

Don't think we can address the defense and also sign Domi. Not enough cap space. I'm not sold on Domi though. He lacks size and can be a liability defensively. I don't think his offense makes up for the negatives.

Marchment is a player that absolutely drives me crazy. I don't like his game at all. Hopefully he turns it around next year because year one has been a big disappointment.
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Guh. I am glad we beat the Kraken but that series killed my spirit. Looking forward to next season!
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Panthers shed Marchment then immediately make Stanley Cup Finals… Hmm…
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TV Casualty said:

rather be fishing said:

Man, that was a crap ending to the season.

You have to imagine there's gotta be new D and a new backup G on the roster for next year. As great of year as Benn had, when do you let him far into the background or leverage him for some prospects? Same goes for Seguin. Suter better be gone, and I hope it works out to secure Domi and Dadanov.

Wouldn't be sad to see Marchment and Miller gone. I'd include Hakanpaa and Lindell, but you can only guy the D so much.


Benn and Seguin will be here until their contracts end.

Our entire current D-corps is signed up for next season. Can't really do much unless guys are traded out. Who would want them?

I fully expect to have Miro, Lindell, Harley, and Suter back. It would be nice to find an upgrade to play with Harley or Miro.

What trade can we facilitate with the garbage defensive chips we have? Maybe clear space for a free agent signing.

Don't think we can address the defense and also sign Domi. Not enough cap space. I'm not sold on Domi though. He lacks size and can be a liability defensively. I don't think his offense makes up for the negatives.

Marchment is a player that absolutely drives me crazy. I don't like his game at all. Hopefully he turns it around next year because year one has been a big disappointment.
I agree on almost all of your post. Benn and Seguin will finish their contracts here and likely retire here. Their contracts, especially Seguin's, are maybe the worst in the league (even though Benn had quite a good regular season.

Our D-core is also largely intact as well. Miro, Harley, Lindell, Suter, and Lundkvist are coming back and all of them will likely be guaranteed a starting position. I see no way you can trade for Lundkvist and not have him in your every day lineup in his second year. Hakanpaa and Miller are technically signed for next season, but they are signed for under $1.5 a piece, and buying them out would be relatively easy. You would only have to pay them around 600k for next season and the following. Now, I don't see why you would buy both of them out, because you still need a 7th dman. I would prefer to buyout Hakanpaa and keep miller as the 7th dman. This leaves one spot open on D, and I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to find Miro a competent right handed shot so he could play on his left side. One spot is about all we realistically have, though.

I also don't see us signing Domi or even Dadonov. We need to really embrace a youth movement with this team. Get younger, faster and quicker. Stankoven and Bourque need to have roles on this team next year and going forward (Stankoven absolutely will). If we do that there's really no room to resign guys or go into the free agent market. We simply don't have room.

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Agree with all your points and why I think it was so easy to let Peterson go when we did. Simply not enough room for him to have a place and no use to stack him behind (expectedly more talented) young guns.
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I nerded out with my spreadsheet (yes, I have a salary cap spreadsheet), so sorry for the long post.

The forward group is going to have two opening night roster spots open, a third if they don't re-sign Dadonov. There is no way to fit both he and Domi on the roster.

I think you bring back Dadonov. He'll be cheaper and won't get as long of a term as Domi will. Why bring Dadonov back? His play and locker room presence were outstanding since getting here. As much as we're all excited for the youth movement (guilty as charged), after talking with some folks after the game last night and today, I was told it's a bit optimistic that more than one young guy will come up and stick with the big club next season. It makes sense. Bourque has 1 AHL season under his belt, and Stankoven has never played with grown men. Either one may need next season or least part of the season in the AHL. Either way, you can't go into camp in the fall EXPECTING both to stick. So for argument's sake, let's say one of the two is on the opening night roster. That leaves your forward group as follows:

Hintz-Robertson-Pavelski
Johnston-Benn-Dadonov
Bourque/Stankoven-Marchment-Seguin
Faksa-Glendenning/Kiviranta/Olofsson-Dellandrea

Glendening, Kiviranta, and Olofsson are all UFAs. There's no reason to sign more than one, if any. I'm assuming they'll sign one though. Dellandra is a RFA, so he'll get some sort of offer that shouldn't be too unreasonable.

On defense, like has been said, you're locked in with your 7 guys. Hanley is a UFA, left-handed dman. He's out.

Assuming my projections, you're right up against the cap. I mean, RIGHT up against it (depending on the Dadonov, Glendening/Kiviranta/Olofsson, and Dellandrea deals of course). That is unless the cap is higher than the projected $83.5M which is looking like a distinct possibility.

You could leave Dadonov off and have some space, but then you have another forward spot to fill. Youth movement sounds good, but that's a big gamble. There's also the possibility of a Suter buyout, but with Johnston, Bourque, Stankoven, Harley, Lundkvist, and Oettinger all needing new deals by the end of the 24-25 season and Robertson needing one at the end of the 25-26 season, that dead money could come back to bite you.

Other than a buyout, I would try to bury Suter on the 3rd pairing. Play him under 20 minutes per game and take him off special teams. With a manageable workload, maybe he won't look quite as bad. Then I'd try and trade Miller, Hakanpaa, or both. Easier said than done, I know, but they're ok defensemen on low, expiring contracts.

So, let's say the cap is really $84M, you can shed Miller's contract and get Dadonov at a reasonable amount. You could conceivably have over $3M to go out and get a defenseman. I could live with a lineup that looks like:

Hintz-Robertson-Pavelksi
Johnston-Benn-Dadonov
Stankoven-Seguin-Marchment
Faksa-TBD-Dellandrea
Heiskanen-Harley-Lundkvist-Lindell-Hakanpaa-Suter-TBD
Oettinger-Wedgewood

If Stankoven and Bourque were both ready to roll, I would have no problem sending Marchment to the 4th line. That would make for a crazy talented top 3 lines.

I will say, the way the contracts on this team are laid out, is fantastic work by the front office:

Pavelski, Miller, and Hakanpaa come off the books in time for Lundkvist and Harley to get new deals.

Benn, Faksa, Lindell, and Suter come off the books in time for Johnston, Bourque, and Oettinger to get new deals and a year before Roberston and Stankoven need new ones, when Marchment also comes off.

This team is set up for long term success. Just don't be too shocked if next year's roster looks almost identical to this year's. This team's true peak is still ahead of it. That's why this year was such a pleasant surprise. They certainly exceeded my expectations going into the season.
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shack009 said:

Panthers shed Marchment then immediately make Stanley Cup Finals… Hmm…
They also added Matthew Tkachuk who has arguably been the best player in the playoffs and has scored OT goals and GW goals in the 3rd period in droves.
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Why not try to buy out half of Seguin's contract and get him to waive his NTC and send him to hometown Toronto at half price as part of their rebuild. They may take the cheap contract relative to production and Seguin may want to finish with Leafs. That frees up $4 mil in cap space. That creates $11 Million to play with during Free Agency.

UFA D - Connor Clifton (Bos) who is a a right handed defenseman and who be a huge upgrade over Suter who should be on the third D pair at best.

I think Domi has earned at least a good $3.5 to $4.0 Mil contract. 2 years seems reasonable. I like what he brought to the team. Seems more doable that resigning Dadanov.

Sad goodbyes to Hanley, Kiviranta and Glendenning who are UFA. But resigning Delandria who is RFA should happen - Ty has earned a good pay raise in my opinion.

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Looks like Aggie98inFL won the bracket challenge! Congratulations! Send me a PM so I can get your address and send you the Stars keychain I made.

Thanks to everyone for playing and let's do it again next year for hopefully another deep playoff run!



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I fully, without a doubt in my mind, expect Logan Stankoven to not only make the roster next year, but to get big playing time just like Johnston did this year. Stankoven probably would've made the team this year if not for Kamloops hosting the Memorial cup. He is also widely regarded as one of the best drafted/non-drafted prospects in hockey not named Bedard.

I hear you on Bourque (although I have confidence in his style of game). He's still got work to do and a tougher road in front of him with the roster, and he's not the same level of prospect as Stankoven, but I think Stankoven has a spot on this team next year almost etched in stone.

That being said, I would rather see some young guys from the AHL fill up the bottom line etc. than sign Dadonov, Kivi, Glenny, Domi (I doubt it as well with him). I think our very limited free agent resources would be better spent on someone on the backend, and that someone on the backend would make a much bigger impact as a free agent than signing the above guys or some random vet. We have forward prospect depth knocking on the door, we don't have d man prospects at that level yet (unless Bichsel or Kyrou just make a ridiculous jump).
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Thanks! I can't believe I actually won. I didn't pay attention to anyone other than the stars all season, my bracket was simply based on what I wanted to happen. After the first couple of games and hearing the experts I thought I was done for.

My introduction to NHL hockey was a Conference final game between the Panthers and Penguins in during the year of the rat in '96. We had seats two rows behind the bench, and were close enough to see Radek Dvoraks teeth hit the ice after a high stick, a live mouse landed at my feet and there was a goalie fight. I was hooked on hockey after that.

After graduating I moved to Dallas just in time for the '99 cup run and have been die-hard fan since. I was on the waiting list for season tickets when I moved back to florida. Thank goodness for NHL Center Ice.

I was at Game 7 when Tampa won the cup in 2004. I didn't really care who won, but getting to see the cup skated was an amazing experience. Of course the year the Stars actually played Tampa in the finals and I could have gone to a game they were in the bubble. Now I live in SC so if we had made the finals against the Hurricanes i could have gone to a game, and I'm actually going to be in Naples next week for training so could have gone to game if we had survived.

It was still a fun season, hopefully I'll get to make it to see them in person next year, it's been too long.
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You guys want to feel old?
Stephane Robidas son was just signed to an entry level contract by the Canes. When did all of the 90s-00s guys get so old?
Domi, Marchment, Tkachuk, and now Robidas. Crazy.
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Exit interviews ongoing.

Otter says he was never fully healed from his lower body injury earlier in the season (no new playoff injury but likely why he struggled down the stretch especially given the workload).

Domi said he's open to signing with Dallas and hopes they make him an offer.

And this gem from Captain America:


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Your keychain is on the way! Congrats again on being the winner of our first annual SC bracket challenge! Looking forward to doing it again next year.

BTW, I miss having hockey on each night. WTF am I supposed to do now, talk to my wife? j/k

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No, because then what would I do with MY sudden free time?
hoosier-daddy
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Kelly Forbes likely stepping out according to Julie.
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That could be a hit. He is really good watching the replays. Has to be a tough home life not seeing kids and a wife working full time too.
micahb2002
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The salary cap is supposed to go up only $1 million again this year. The $1.2 billion of debt from Covid is down to $100M, but is supposed to be fully paid off before the normal salary cap formula returns.

https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/bettman-signals-nhl-is-willing-to-negotiate-on-larger-2023-24-salary-cap-increase/amp
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Sorry wrong thread
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TexAg1822 said:

I loved the "Zavacado" scene. Got a good kick out of it

"Ho-leh Guacamo-leh"
Tksymm7
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I believe I have read that the cap is supposed to jump more significantly AFTER next season and beyond.
micahb2002
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Yep, the $100M will easily be paid off this year, reverting us to the old rules. It will be interesting to see what Nill can do to navigate this year's small increase.
FWAppraiser
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Should be at the AAC right now.
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After the game 6 domination not sure I agree
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Really the series was over before that, but I should have said: I wish I was at the AAC right now.
Tksymm7
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Florida is like a dog on a bone ON THE ROAD.
Roll the Bones
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The volume level of the PA in that arena is crazy. You can't hear the TNT crew over it. That would drive me crazy if I was there in person.

Our maybe it's an issue with the broadcast, but I suspect it's the volume in the building.
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Series ended in game 3 when Benn was tossed for his buffoonery.
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
micahb2002
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The series was virtually ended in the last minutes of Game 2 when Suter **** his pants twice in the same play and the win was lost. The Stars greatly outplayed Vegas and Suter ****ed it up. He should be let go.
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That was an awful play, but team's can and do come back from down 2-0. Its only happened 4 times down 3-0 though.
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
micahb2002
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Yeah, but the percentages went down from 50-50 to 85/15 or 90/10 by losing game 2. Coming back from 2-0 doesn't happen much, especially in the Conference or Cup finals.
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Looks like the Bobrovsky magic has worn off. I really hate that Vegas is dominating this series.
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Eichel may have just messed up his neck again.

Also, maybe I'm just completely biased (I am), but that still seemed less than Dumbas hit to Pav. And Tkachuk got game misconduct. Big, nasty hit, but Eichel was already falling on his own and still on the puck.

*update - not game misconduct, just 10 min major*
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