Should I be cliff diving yet?

No.

He was a very good recruiter.

Why would you cliff dive? Other than Davis, we didn't have a shot at any of the players that verballed to Texas anyway (Timmons might be an exception, but most thought he was OU bound).

We'll get ours. Texas does this every year.

did you have a shot with T.Ashcraft? Supposed to be committing to the Horns tonight. looks like Texas may take 4 OLs this year

Sherman did do a great job to keep Fran's commits (Rod Davis) and his last 6 adds to the class were more than expected talent-wise (Cyrus Gray Jeff Fuller). But losing Sedrick Johnson in a class that needed another receiver to go with Fuller was a bit disappointing.

RC said he was one of his best recruiters over the years. Give him time a little time.

mack will get some good kids, Sherman will get his. Last time I checked, A&M won 2 in a row. Things are never as good or as bad as they seem.

Fuller wasn't a Sherman guy, was he?

Fuller was committed to OU before Sherman got here...

Gray and Fuller which are 2 of the very best in the '08 class would not be Aggies right now if not for Sherman. The guy can flat out recruit.

FWIW, HTM, your two wins the last two seasons was based on the strength of Fran's only real good classes. Starting with the last 3 classes, ('06-'08), most acknowledge that the gap has widened back greatly and '09 looks to be more of the same. Granted, the '09 class is so loaded that yes, A&M will get theirs. Problem is which "theirs" and how hard will the battles be.


Hookem

I agree with HTM, had it not been for Sherman you would not have those two guys. Fuller is and always was a strong Aggie recruit, but there was no way he was going to play for Fran in that system.

The problem is that Mack and Stoops are two of the best in the business and Miles is damn good as well.

As long as those teams are winning every season, we will have to take mostly what they don't want outside of the hardcore ags, of which there are a couple every season.

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Gray and Fuller which are 2 of the very best in the '08 class would not be Aggies right now if not for Sherman. The guy can flat out recruit offense.

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We have yet to see if he can recruit defense. Other than Rod Davis sticking with his prior commitment our defensive class was lacking in many areas. He really needs to step up in that area.

ironmanag, so who should Sherman have recruited for defense after he took over? Quit trying to blame Sherman for things that he had little control over. You were one of the posters who said we would lose all of our DL commits. How did that prediction go? See you later, Mr. Negative.

We nearly did didn't we. We lost KLM, we had to wait until the very last secodn on Davis. You are the most ignorant poster I have ever seen. Tell super sherman how do you KNOW that he can recruit defense?

we didn't "lose" KLM.. Sherman and our former DC werent very high on him but honored his 'ship that was offered under Fran. Know what you are talking about before you act like it.

we might get ours but right now we are getting killed in the early 09 recruiting tu alreadys has 7 committs to our 0. I dont care if some of them were tu leans they still already got them, and they got Whaley who is from madisonville which is like 40 miles from cs, i would have thought that we would have had a good chance at him

we never had a chance at whaley and pratt wants to get away from navasota.

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Did KLM sign with another school? Therefore we lost him.

You fail..

I am not saying he can't be the greatest recruiter since Pete Carrol, but he has to step up and show it.

Back to the original question, how good was Mike Sherman as a recruiter in the 90's?

Answer: Very Good.


To wit: In the early 90's, we had two future NFL RB's splitting time already, Rodney Thomas and Greg Hill, both of whom had split time with another NFL-bound running back the prior year: Darren Lewis. So, getting a highly ranked RB outta HS about that time would be a tall order indeed. Not for Mike Sherman - all he did was bring in perhaps the most "electric" RB of the time, 'Lectric Leeland McElroy.

Leeland has since stated that it was Mike's very personable nature and honesty that sold the deal for him. He didn't promise Leeland the farm; rather he promised that if Leeland worked hard the Aggies would make him the best player he could possibly be. The rest is history.

Make no mistake, Mike can recruit. Yes, he has stout competition, probably much more so than what he faced in his last stint with the Ags. But he is real and genuine, and that comes across bigtime with all he meets. What's more, I understand that he loves just talking football - to anyone, anywhere, anytime - and that probably makes him a favorite with HS coaches, too. I mean, what HS coach wouldn't love getting into a little X's and O's with a former NFL head coach!

Bottomline: no need to be venturing near the cliff.

Great post 79

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Cotton79, Rodney Thomas was in HS during Lewis' career at A&M. Thomas never shared time with Lewis. Greg Hill RS'd in '90 during Lewis' SR. year. Thus he never shared time with lewis either.

I stand corrected, KJN. The lore of Darren and Rodney/GHT was more consecutive as opposed to concurrent as I originally quoted. Still, the gist of the story is true: Sherman brought in Leeland when we had both Rodney and GHT. No small fete, eh?!

he had the houston area on lock-down.

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I don't want to rain on the parade but one reason for the recruiting success was the demise of the horns at that time. Mack Brown was not in Austin in the early 90's. While I hope Sherman can be just as successful as before, he now faces Brown, Stoops, and Miles.

switzerland, I understand your comment, but Mike's ability to make a recruit feel at ease is second to none. In the end, the recruit may choose elsewhere, but through it all they will know that they were treated fairly and with respect. Mike won't blow sunshine up their skirt; he'll be honest. Can't say the same for the others you list.

As to the early 90s, true, tu and OU weren't so hot. But Leeland McElroy was getting looks from all across the nation... and Mike still nailed him down to Aggieland. Don't try to water that recruiting success down. It was a helluva job to get Leeland here, and nothing less.

OU was still a big time program on the recruiting fronts during that period.

How good? let me tell you... remember Choo Freeman? Sherm's just about finally got him committed.

Also, while t.u. didn't have much success on the field during this span (the '91 season excepted) they did pull in consistently strong recruiting classes. They just weren't balanced. MacII often went after the best players available, regardless of position. That's why one year they had almost a dozen blue chip linemen signed and few backfield players. That inconsistency hurt them in the long run, and left many analysts scratching their heads.

Sabreman '92

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Also, while t.u. didn't have much success on the field during this span (the '91 season excepted) they did pull in consistently strong recruiting classes. They just weren't balanced. MacII often went after the best players available, regardless of position. That's why one year they had almost a dozen blue chip linemen signed and few backfield players. That inconsistency hurt them in the long run, and left many analysts scratching their heads.

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Uhh, not's not quite correct. While it is true that Mackovic brought in decent classes, the bottom line is that he was being run over by A&M's recruiting. And Mackovic certainly didn't recruit anywhere near consistently on the defensive. For every Tony Brackens and Bryant Westbrook, there were 5-10 LBs/DL that wouldn't even get a sniff from us today. I'm not saying that Sherman won't be able to recruit well, and granted, with the freakish amount of talent for '09 he'd have to be a complete flop to not pull in a good class, but recruiting for A&M in the 'early 90s is a cakewalk compared to today.


Hookem

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FWIW, HTM, your two wins the last two seasons was based on the strength of Fran's only real good classes. Starting with the last 3 classes, ('06-'08), most acknowledge that the gap has widened back greatly and '09 looks to be more of the same. Granted, the '09 class is so loaded that yes, A&M will get theirs. Problem is which "theirs" and how hard will the battles be.

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I just went back and looked at the starters for this past season's game. 18 of our 22 starters were rated 3 stars or lower by Rivals coming out of high school. I realize Fran had some highly rated classes, but if you go back and look at those classes, many of the players that attributed to the rankings either never got in, didn't last, or didn't contribute. Those weren't the guys beating the horns the past two years. If believing that makes you feel better, then go right ahead.