I think this is a great idea. I have vowed to be a volleyball fan from now on but am a little worried I might lose some interest during the off season.

there was a post recently from one of ours who officiates. a link was posted which delineated between the various VB entities.
It came from PAVO. (professional vb officials org)
Try Google. over my pay grade and ability

check out Newbie VB Rules question pg 2 for link I mentioned above.

again, thanks Wicked!

Any questions you have let me know. Glad to answer


I travel the USA during club season for most part to see America on club parents dime (indirectly)

You can always watch the pro leagues during the offseason!

Okay: For Wicked -

• Is there a limit to the number of substitutions that can be made during a set?
• Is it true that only the three player who are on the "front row" rotation are allowed to block or spike at the net?
• Since I've never see anyone do it, I assume that the receiving team cannot block a serve at the net? Is there a rule about where the receiving team have to be positioned?
• Considering players who don't start a set but rotate in, is there any limit to how many times they can rotate in or out?
• Also, what are the restrictions on the players who rotate out but then reenter?

I'm sure I'll think of some others, but thanks for the invitation.

coloradoag69 said:

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Okay: For Wicked -

• Is there a limit to the number of substitutions that can be made during a set?
• Is it true that only the three player who are on the "front row" rotation are allowed to block or spike at the net?
• Since I've never see anyone do it, I assume that the receiving team cannot block a serve at the net? Is there a rule about where the receiving team have to be positioned?
• Considering players who don't start a set but rotate in, is there any limit to how many times they can rotate in or out?
• Also, what are the restrictions on the players who rotate out but then reenter?

I'm sure I'll think of some others, but thanks for the invitation.

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I'll handle these for Wicked

- Sub limit per set in NCAA is 15.
- Mostly correct, only the 3 front row players can attack above the plane of the top of the net from inside the 3m line. Back-row players can attack the ball above the plane of the top of the net if they jump from behind the 3m line (completely). Liberos can never attack above the plane of the top of the net (there are other rules for liberos as well).
- Correct, it is illegal to block a serve. The receiving team must be within their rotation - which is a whole topic unto itself and is a little complicated.
- Only limited by the per-set restrictions on substitutions (and see the next item for rotation restriction)
- Excluding liberos, once a player has substituted into a spot in the rotation, they can only substitute in that rotation spot for the rest of the set. For example, when Fitch substituted for Lednicky to serve, she could not substitute for Hellmuth later in the set since they were in different spots in the rotation.

Y'all are 100 percent missing the point of the post, but thanks. Yes, I'm capable of googling an answer to all of my questions. Yes I'm capable of finding YouTube videos of others explaining what I want to know. I don't need you explaining it in the forums. I didn't ask for any of that. I asked for TexAgs content. I want people like Kay and Callie and Fitch and Stowers to explain it and also put it in context of our team or games. That world be valuable content that I'd enjoy watching.

beavers8486 said:

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Y'all are 100 percent missing the point of the post, but thanks. Yes, I'm capable of googling an answer to all of my questions. Yes I'm capable of finding YouTube videos of others explaining what I want to know. I don't need you explaining it in the forums. I didn't ask for any of that. I asked for TexAgs content. I want people like Kay and Callie and Fitch and Stowers to explain it and also put it in context of our team or games. That world be valuable content that I'd enjoy watching.

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oh, and by the way, this is a forum post because TexAgs has no mechanism I can find to actually send Kay or Callie a message that you'd have any confidence that they saw. I tried the contact us page on the Site and that doesn't work either, including asking their support twice. @Kay if you've seen this please reply that you saw it because I feel like I'm screaming into the void.

- Correct, it is illegal to block a serve. The receiving team must be within their rotation - which is a whole topic unto itself and is a little complicated.

The rotation I keep hearing about is confusing. The only players I ever saw near the net were Stowers, Cos-Okpalla and Lendcky. Why do they not rotate to the backcourt? I guess maybe if I saw a game in person instead of TV I might be able to figure it out.

I understand you said it's a little complicated but could you take a shot at a dummies version please?

foulbeast said:

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coloradoag69 said:

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Okay: For Wicked -

• Is there a limit to the number of substitutions that can be made during a set?
• Is it true that only the three player who are on the "front row" rotation are allowed to block or spike at the net?
• Since I've never see anyone do it, I assume that the receiving team cannot block a serve at the net? Is there a rule about where the receiving team have to be positioned?
• Considering players who don't start a set but rotate in, is there any limit to how many times they can rotate in or out?
• Also, what are the restrictions on the players who rotate out but then reenter?

I'm sure I'll think of some others, but thanks for the invitation.

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I'll handle these for Wicked

- Sub limit per set in NCAA is 15.
- Mostly correct, only the 3 front row players can attack above the plane of the top of the net from inside the 3m line. Back-row players can attack the ball above the plane of the top of the net if they jump from behind the 3m line (completely). Liberos can never attack above the plane of the top of the net (there are other rules for liberos as well).
- Correct, it is illegal to block a serve. The receiving team must be within their rotation - which is a whole topic unto itself and is a little complicated.
- Only limited by the per-set restrictions on substitutions (and see the next item for rotation restriction)
- Excluding liberos, once a player has substituted into a spot in the rotation, they can only substitute in that rotation spot for the rest of the set. For example, when Fitch substituted for Lednicky to serve, she could not substitute for Hellmuth later in the set since they were in different spots in the rotation.

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Correct.



Long long ago in a galaxy far far away you could block a serve

tell me it hasn't been THAT long....

Also, correct me of i am wrong. A&Ms lineup to start the Kentucky match was Waak RB, Stowers RF, Ifenna MF, Logan LF, Jenkins LB ( Libero-Underwood) and Applegate MB

Who does Hellmuth sub for?

McInnis said:

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- Correct, it is illegal to block a serve. The receiving team must be within their rotation - which is a whole topic unto itself and is a little complicated.

The rotation I keep hearing about is confusing. The only players I ever saw near the net were Stowers, Cos-Okpalla and Lendcky. Why do they not rotate to the backcourt? I guess maybe if I saw a game in person instead of TV I might be able to figure it out.

I understand you said it's a little complicated but could you take a shot at a dummies version please?

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I just found this site that does a better job that I can: Serve receive rotation rules. Read the "Overlap Rule" section to understand the requirements for position on the court. Then look at the 5-1 section to see what it looks like on the court.

What that site doesn't show is the libero (Underwood/Thomas) and defensive specialist (Applegate) roles, so if you look at rotation 1 under the 5-1, and replace our players for positions it looks like this:

Front row:
RS: Lednicky
M: Cos-Okpalla
OH: Stowers

Back row:
OH: Applegate (back row) or Hellmuth (front row)
M: Underwood/Thomas (back row) or Perkins (front row)
S: Waak

Each time you break serve, the players move one spot clockwise. Most teams start with rotation 1 so the setter is in the back row for the first 3 rotations and we get 3 hitters in the front row.

The position pictures under option 2 is what we would do in rotations 1-3. Neither option is correct for us in rotations 4-6 because we never had Lednicky receive serve. She was always hiding in serve receive behind Applegate, Underwood, and Stowers when her spot was back row.

Not sure this is a "dummies" version...but it should explain the basics of serve-receive positioning. And you did see other players near the net (Hellmuth, Perkins, Waak all played in the front row) - you just remember the others because they were so dominant when they were in the front row.

nonregdaduck75 said:

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Who does Hellmuth sub for?

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Applegate.

nonregdaduck75 said:

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tell me it hasn't been THAT long....

Also, correct me of i am wrong. A&Ms lineup to start the Kentucky match was Waak RB, Stowers RF, Ifenna MF, Logan LF, Jenkins LB ( Libero-Underwood) and Applegate MB

Who does Hellmuth sub for?

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I assume you mean Perkins, not Jenkins. And you've got her/Underwood and Applegate flipped. Then Helmuth subs for Applegate.

Jamie showed what I thought was a pretty good slide deck on rotations and starting position rules (why everyone is running around as soon as the ball is served). Jamie did mention he was going to use to discuss the rules with the players. Implied at least some players know where to be but not the why.

Not sure if you can get Jamie or one of the other coaches to walk through it for TexAgs, but I'd guess Jamie would be willing to share the slide deck with the players who could do the explaining as part of Aggies United content.

I agree discussions of volleyball rules/basic strategy with the players would make an interesting series of videos.

Texags could make that segment for NIL appearance money like they do some in football







or i could and pocket some extra money $$$ since i am out of eligibility long long ago and couldnt jump then anyway

chap, thanks both for rotation and spelling errors.
figured it out. after all these years I still need a lineup card. ( IYKYK )

nonregdaduck75 said:

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tell me it hasn't been THAT long....

Also, correct me of i am wrong. A&Ms lineup to start the Kentucky match was Waak RB, Stowers RF, Ifenna MF, Logan LF, Jenkins LB ( Libero-Underwood) and Applegate MB

Who does Hellmuth sub for?

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Order for most of season has been

S Waak
OH Stowers
M ICO
RS Lednicky
OH Applegate
M Perkins

whenever Applegate comes to front row Hellmuth came in. Applegate served for long while and then Hellmuth took to the service line. Better serve for what Jamie Morrison wants but a higher error rate than Applegate had

Fitch would sometimes come in a serve for Hellmuth then Applegate would come in but later in season I think the staff made the move for Fitch to serve for Lednicky and play MB defense and Stowers would play RB for the one rotation

Morris would come in as a blocking sub for Waak usually when but not always when our second libero Thomas served for Perkins

This left no setter on the court and usually it was Thomas or Applegate taking second ball but honestly anyone could

On that last point I would actually love to see the stats on how that went for the season but especially in the NCAA tourney

thanks.
my wife just asked me e how many times I was going to watch the Kentucky match. I told her I watch for different things. this time for lineup/subs, etc.

Campbell match i paused on the challenges and took screenshot shots for training purposes.

foulbeast said:

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McInnis said:

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- Correct, it is illegal to block a serve. The receiving team must be within their rotation - which is a whole topic unto itself and is a little complicated.

The rotation I keep hearing about is confusing. The only players I ever saw near the net were Stowers, Cos-Okpalla and Lendcky. Why do they not rotate to the backcourt? I guess maybe if I saw a game in person instead of TV I might be able to figure it out.

I understand you said it's a little complicated but could you take a shot at a dummies version please?

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I just found this site that does a better job that I can: Serve receive rotation rules. Read the "Overlap Rule" section to understand the requirements for position on the court. Then look at the 5-1 section to see what it looks like on the court.

What that site doesn't show is the libero (Underwood/Thomas) and defensive specialist (Applegate) roles, so if you look at rotation 1 under the 5-1, and replace our players for positions it looks like this:

Front row:
RS: Lednicky
M: Cos-Okpalla
OH: Stowers

Back row:
OH: Applegate (back row) or Hellmuth (front row)
M: Underwood/Thomas (back row) or Perkins (front row)
S: Waak

Each time you break serve, the players move one spot clockwise. Most teams start with rotation 1 so the setter is in the back row for the first 3 rotations and we get 3 hitters in the front row.

The position pictures under option 2 is what we would do in rotations 1-3. Neither option is correct for us in rotations 4-6 because we never had Lednicky receive serve. She was always hiding in serve receive behind Applegate, Underwood, and Stowers when her spot was back row.

Not sure this is a "dummies" version...but it should explain the basics of serve-receive positioning. And you did see other players near the net (Hellmuth, Perkins, Waak all played in the front row) - you just remember the others because they were so dominant when they were in the front row.

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Thank you, that was helpful but not sure what you mean by Logan "hiding in serve receive".

I watched the replay of the Louisville 5th set and could see what you're talking about on the rotation. But that raised another question. The Aggies were up 10-9 and had the serve. A Lville player was trying to set the ball and Ifeena reached across the net and blocked it. At first our players celebrated but it was called Lville's point.

The announcer said it was blocking the set and Lville got the point. The announcer then said the ball was not at the top of the plane of the net. What does that mean?

McInnis said:

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- Correct, it is illegal to block a serve. The receiving team must be within their rotation - which is a whole topic unto itself and is a little complicated.

The rotation I keep hearing about is confusing. The only players I ever saw near the net were Stowers, Cos-Okpalla and Lendcky. Why do they not rotate to the backcourt? I guess maybe if I saw a game in person instead of TV I might be able to figure it out.

I understand you said it's a little complicated but could you take a shot at a dummies version please?

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all three rotated to the back row to serve. Only Logan played all the way through the back row almost all the year

McInnis said:

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foulbeast said:

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McInnis said:

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- Correct, it is illegal to block a serve. The receiving team must be within their rotation - which is a whole topic unto itself and is a little complicated.

The rotation I keep hearing about is confusing. The only players I ever saw near the net were Stowers, Cos-Okpalla and Lendcky. Why do they not rotate to the backcourt? I guess maybe if I saw a game in person instead of TV I might be able to figure it out.

I understand you said it's a little complicated but could you take a shot at a dummies version please?

---

I just found this site that does a better job that I can: Serve receive rotation rules. Read the "Overlap Rule" section to understand the requirements for position on the court. Then look at the 5-1 section to see what it looks like on the court.

What that site doesn't show is the libero (Underwood/Thomas) and defensive specialist (Applegate) roles, so if you look at rotation 1 under the 5-1, and replace our players for positions it looks like this:

Front row:
RS: Lednicky
M: Cos-Okpalla
OH: Stowers

Back row:
OH: Applegate (back row) or Hellmuth (front row)
M: Underwood/Thomas (back row) or Perkins (front row)
S: Waak

Each time you break serve, the players move one spot clockwise. Most teams start with rotation 1 so the setter is in the back row for the first 3 rotations and we get 3 hitters in the front row.

The position pictures under option 2 is what we would do in rotations 1-3. Neither option is correct for us in rotations 4-6 because we never had Lednicky receive serve. She was always hiding in serve receive behind Applegate, Underwood, and Stowers when her spot was back row.

Not sure this is a "dummies" version...but it should explain the basics of serve-receive positioning. And you did see other players near the net (Hellmuth, Perkins, Waak all played in the front row) - you just remember the others because they were so dominant when they were in the front row.

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Thank you, that was helpful but not sure what you mean by Logan "hiding in serve receive".

I watched the replay of the Louisville 5th set and could see what you're talking about on the rotation. But that raised another question. The Aggies were up 10-9 and had the serve. A Lville player was trying to set the ball and Ifeena reached across the net and blocked it. At first our players celebrated but it was called Lville's point.

The announcer said it was blocking the set and Lville got the point. The announcer then said the ball was not at the top of the plane of the net. What does that mean?

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unless the ball beaks the plane of the net (vertically) the defensive team CANNOT touch it without a couple of stipulations. They can ALWAYS reach across if the offensive team has had three contacts - ALWAYS. IF the offensive team has NO player in position to contact the ball the defense can reach across to block regardless of whether or not the offense has had three contacts

McInnis said:

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foulbeast said:

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McInnis said:

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- Correct, it is illegal to block a serve. The receiving team must be within their rotation - which is a whole topic unto itself and is a little complicated.

The rotation I keep hearing about is confusing. The only players I ever saw near the net were Stowers, Cos-Okpalla and Lendcky. Why do they not rotate to the backcourt? I guess maybe if I saw a game in person instead of TV I might be able to figure it out.

I understand you said it's a little complicated but could you take a shot at a dummies version please?

---

I just found this site that does a better job that I can: Serve receive rotation rules. Read the "Overlap Rule" section to understand the requirements for position on the court. Then look at the 5-1 section to see what it looks like on the court.

What that site doesn't show is the libero (Underwood/Thomas) and defensive specialist (Applegate) roles, so if you look at rotation 1 under the 5-1, and replace our players for positions it looks like this:

Front row:
RS: Lednicky
M: Cos-Okpalla
OH: Stowers

Back row:
OH: Applegate (back row) or Hellmuth (front row)
M: Underwood/Thomas (back row) or Perkins (front row)
S: Waak

Each time you break serve, the players move one spot clockwise. Most teams start with rotation 1 so the setter is in the back row for the first 3 rotations and we get 3 hitters in the front row.

The position pictures under option 2 is what we would do in rotations 1-3. Neither option is correct for us in rotations 4-6 because we never had Lednicky receive serve. She was always hiding in serve receive behind Applegate, Underwood, and Stowers when her spot was back row.

Not sure this is a "dummies" version...but it should explain the basics of serve-receive positioning. And you did see other players near the net (Hellmuth, Perkins, Waak all played in the front row) - you just remember the others because they were so dominant when they were in the front row.

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Thank you, that was helpful but not sure what you mean by Logan "hiding in serve receive".

I watched the replay of the Louisville 5th set and could see what you're talking about on the rotation. But that raised another question. The Aggies were up 10-9 and had the serve. A Lville player was trying to set the ball and Ifeena reached across the net and blocked it. At first our players celebrated but it was called Lville's point.

The announcer said it was blocking the set and Lville got the point. The announcer then said the ball was not at the top of the plane of the net. What does that mean?

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sometimes you "HIDE" a player who is a little weaker in serve receive. TYPICALLY what you see when that happens is that the player being HIDDEN is behind the other five, frequently standing on or immediately in front of the end line. You really do not want that person making the initial play. they are on the floor to ATTACK only! they may be forced to do something else, but you leave them on the court because they can launch an effective attack from behind the ten-foot line

Ross Skillman 70 said:

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McInnis said:

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foulbeast said:

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McInnis said:

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- Correct, it is illegal to block a serve. The receiving team must be within their rotation - which is a whole topic unto itself and is a little complicated.

The rotation I keep hearing about is confusing. The only players I ever saw near the net were Stowers, Cos-Okpalla and Lendcky. Why do they not rotate to the backcourt? I guess maybe if I saw a game in person instead of TV I might be able to figure it out.

I understand you said it's a little complicated but could you take a shot at a dummies version please?

---

I just found this site that does a better job that I can: Serve receive rotation rules. Read the "Overlap Rule" section to understand the requirements for position on the court. Then look at the 5-1 section to see what it looks like on the court.

What that site doesn't show is the libero (Underwood/Thomas) and defensive specialist (Applegate) roles, so if you look at rotation 1 under the 5-1, and replace our players for positions it looks like this:

Front row:
RS: Lednicky
M: Cos-Okpalla
OH: Stowers

Back row:
OH: Applegate (back row) or Hellmuth (front row)
M: Underwood/Thomas (back row) or Perkins (front row)
S: Waak

Each time you break serve, the players move one spot clockwise. Most teams start with rotation 1 so the setter is in the back row for the first 3 rotations and we get 3 hitters in the front row.

The position pictures under option 2 is what we would do in rotations 1-3. Neither option is correct for us in rotations 4-6 because we never had Lednicky receive serve. She was always hiding in serve receive behind Applegate, Underwood, and Stowers when her spot was back row.

Not sure this is a "dummies" version...but it should explain the basics of serve-receive positioning. And you did see other players near the net (Hellmuth, Perkins, Waak all played in the front row) - you just remember the others because they were so dominant when they were in the front row.

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Thank you, that was helpful but not sure what you mean by Logan "hiding in serve receive".

I watched the replay of the Louisville 5th set and could see what you're talking about on the rotation. But that raised another question. The Aggies were up 10-9 and had the serve. A Lville player was trying to set the ball and Ifeena reached across the net and blocked it. At first our players celebrated but it was called Lville's point.

The announcer said it was blocking the set and Lville got the point. The announcer then said the ball was not at the top of the plane of the net. What does that mean?

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sometimes you "HIDE" a player who is a little weaker in serve receive. TYPICALLY what you see when that happens is that the player being HIDDEN is behind the other five, frequently standing on or immediately in front of the end line. You really do not want that person making the initial play. they are on the floor to ATTACK only! they may be forced to do something else, but you leave them on the court because they can launch an effective attack from behind the ten-foot line

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Also tend to want to hide your setter because they can't set if they receive.

Just so you know - I have been a VB official for more than a quarter century. R1, R2, L1. L2 and official scorer. there are many many things you will not even begin to understand without seeing them happen and asking why. Knowing the rules helps - but as an official I cannot tell you how often it becomes very obvious that the coaches do not fully understand the rules. At the collegiate level they are usually very good. Below the collegiate level I really do not think most of them even know a rule book exists.
All of that said - simply start watching games.
If you do not understand something replay it and watch it again
If you still do not understand it ask an OFFICIAL and then watch it again!

I am more than willing to talk through a situation if you have taken the time to look at it for yourself

BiochemAg97 said:

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Ross Skillman 70 said:

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McInnis said:

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foulbeast said:

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McInnis said:

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- Correct, it is illegal to block a serve. The receiving team must be within their rotation - which is a whole topic unto itself and is a little complicated.

The rotation I keep hearing about is confusing. The only players I ever saw near the net were Stowers, Cos-Okpalla and Lendcky. Why do they not rotate to the backcourt? I guess maybe if I saw a game in person instead of TV I might be able to figure it out.

I understand you said it's a little complicated but could you take a shot at a dummies version please?

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I just found this site that does a better job that I can: Serve receive rotation rules. Read the "Overlap Rule" section to understand the requirements for position on the court. Then look at the 5-1 section to see what it looks like on the court.

What that site doesn't show is the libero (Underwood/Thomas) and defensive specialist (Applegate) roles, so if you look at rotation 1 under the 5-1, and replace our players for positions it looks like this:

Front row:
RS: Lednicky
M: Cos-Okpalla
OH: Stowers

Back row:
OH: Applegate (back row) or Hellmuth (front row)
M: Underwood/Thomas (back row) or Perkins (front row)
S: Waak

Each time you break serve, the players move one spot clockwise. Most teams start with rotation 1 so the setter is in the back row for the first 3 rotations and we get 3 hitters in the front row.

The position pictures under option 2 is what we would do in rotations 1-3. Neither option is correct for us in rotations 4-6 because we never had Lednicky receive serve. She was always hiding in serve receive behind Applegate, Underwood, and Stowers when her spot was back row.

Not sure this is a "dummies" version...but it should explain the basics of serve-receive positioning. And you did see other players near the net (Hellmuth, Perkins, Waak all played in the front row) - you just remember the others because they were so dominant when they were in the front row.

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Thank you, that was helpful but not sure what you mean by Logan "hiding in serve receive".

I watched the replay of the Louisville 5th set and could see what you're talking about on the rotation. But that raised another question. The Aggies were up 10-9 and had the serve. A Lville player was trying to set the ball and Ifeena reached across the net and blocked it. At first our players celebrated but it was called Lville's point.

The announcer said it was blocking the set and Lville got the point. The announcer then said the ball was not at the top of the plane of the net. What does that mean?

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sometimes you "HIDE" a player who is a little weaker in serve receive. TYPICALLY what you see when that happens is that the player being HIDDEN is behind the other five, frequently standing on or immediately in front of the end line. You really do not want that person making the initial play. they are on the floor to ATTACK only! they may be forced to do something else, but you leave them on the court because they can launch an effective attack from behind the ten-foot line

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Also tend to want to hide your setter because they can't set if they receive.

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you don't typically 'hide' your setter. she is normally effective enough that you don't want her to absolutely avoid taking serve even though you really want someone else to do so. You would rather someone else take it and you normally position the setter right next to someone else who can - and in a position to get rapidly to right front or at least further right than middle front. HIDING a player typically means that that player is not very effective at taking the serve or at the least not as effective as you would like for them to be (probably way less so than the other five on the floor). When you see a formation with one person in front of the attack line, someone else just a step behind and then three across the back with number SIX further back than those three - that last one is HIDDEN

beavers8486 said:

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beavers8486 said:

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Y'all are 100 percent missing the point of the post, but thanks. Yes, I'm capable of googling an answer to all of my questions. Yes I'm capable of finding YouTube videos of others explaining what I want to know. I don't need you explaining it in the forums. I didn't ask for any of that. I asked for TexAgs content. I want people like Kay and Callie and Fitch and Stowers to explain it and also put it in context of our team or games. That world be valuable content that I'd enjoy watching.

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oh, and by the way, this is a forum post because TexAgs has no mechanism I can find to actually send Kay or Callie a message that you'd have any confidence that they saw. I tried the contact us page on the Site and that doesn't work either, including asking their support twice. @Kay if you've seen this please reply that you saw it because I feel like I'm screaming into the void.

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I can message them directly - can't you?

BiochemAg97 said:

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Ross Skillman 70 said:

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McInnis said:

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foulbeast said:

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McInnis said:

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- Correct, it is illegal to block a serve. The receiving team must be within their rotation - which is a whole topic unto itself and is a little complicated.

The rotation I keep hearing about is confusing. The only players I ever saw near the net were Stowers, Cos-Okpalla and Lendcky. Why do they not rotate to the backcourt? I guess maybe if I saw a game in person instead of TV I might be able to figure it out.

I understand you said it's a little complicated but could you take a shot at a dummies version please?

---

I just found this site that does a better job that I can: Serve receive rotation rules. Read the "Overlap Rule" section to understand the requirements for position on the court. Then look at the 5-1 section to see what it looks like on the court.

What that site doesn't show is the libero (Underwood/Thomas) and defensive specialist (Applegate) roles, so if you look at rotation 1 under the 5-1, and replace our players for positions it looks like this:

Front row:
RS: Lednicky
M: Cos-Okpalla
OH: Stowers

Back row:
OH: Applegate (back row) or Hellmuth (front row)
M: Underwood/Thomas (back row) or Perkins (front row)
S: Waak

Each time you break serve, the players move one spot clockwise. Most teams start with rotation 1 so the setter is in the back row for the first 3 rotations and we get 3 hitters in the front row.

The position pictures under option 2 is what we would do in rotations 1-3. Neither option is correct for us in rotations 4-6 because we never had Lednicky receive serve. She was always hiding in serve receive behind Applegate, Underwood, and Stowers when her spot was back row.

Not sure this is a "dummies" version...but it should explain the basics of serve-receive positioning. And you did see other players near the net (Hellmuth, Perkins, Waak all played in the front row) - you just remember the others because they were so dominant when they were in the front row.

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Thank you, that was helpful but not sure what you mean by Logan "hiding in serve receive".

I watched the replay of the Louisville 5th set and could see what you're talking about on the rotation. But that raised another question. The Aggies were up 10-9 and had the serve. A Lville player was trying to set the ball and Ifeena reached across the net and blocked it. At first our players celebrated but it was called Lville's point.

The announcer said it was blocking the set and Lville got the point. The announcer then said the ball was not at the top of the plane of the net. What does that mean?

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sometimes you "HIDE" a player who is a little weaker in serve receive. TYPICALLY what you see when that happens is that the player being HIDDEN is behind the other five, frequently standing on or immediately in front of the end line. You really do not want that person making the initial play. they are on the floor to ATTACK only! they may be forced to do something else, but you leave them on the court because they can launch an effective attack from behind the ten-foot line

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Also tend to want to hide your setter because they can't set if they receive.

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I did type out a longer answer. Just so you know, I understand what you said, but the setter typically simply ignores serve-receive as she gets to her position. That person "HIDDEN" on the back row (with her feet really close to the baseline) most of the time is not running to a position. The team receiving serve just wants to prevent her from receiving serve! Like the setter, if the serving team can attack her, they can get her out of the play (they hope). The best serving teams try to serve to the players that want to take out of position to make a successful attack. I don't remember which match it was but there was one that we persistently served to the libero - and that left me wondering why in the world any coach would have a libero on the floor who was not able to competently handle serve-receive! If you can answer that one for me, I suspect even Jamie wonders!!!

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BiochemAg97 said:

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Ross Skillman 70 said:

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- Correct, it is illegal to block a serve. The receiving team must be within their rotation - which is a whole topic unto itself and is a little complicated.

The rotation I keep hearing about is confusing. The only players I ever saw near the net were Stowers, Cos-Okpalla and Lendcky. Why do they not rotate to the backcourt? I guess maybe if I saw a game in person instead of TV I might be able to figure it out.

I understand you said it's a little complicated but could you take a shot at a dummies version please?

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I just found this site that does a better job that I can: Serve receive rotation rules. Read the "Overlap Rule" section to understand the requirements for position on the court. Then look at the 5-1 section to see what it looks like on the court.

What that site doesn't show is the libero (Underwood/Thomas) and defensive specialist (Applegate) roles, so if you look at rotation 1 under the 5-1, and replace our players for positions it looks like this:

Front row:
RS: Lednicky
M: Cos-Okpalla
OH: Stowers

Back row:
OH: Applegate (back row) or Hellmuth (front row)
M: Underwood/Thomas (back row) or Perkins (front row)
S: Waak

Each time you break serve, the players move one spot clockwise. Most teams start with rotation 1 so the setter is in the back row for the first 3 rotations and we get 3 hitters in the front row.

The position pictures under option 2 is what we would do in rotations 1-3. Neither option is correct for us in rotations 4-6 because we never had Lednicky receive serve. She was always hiding in serve receive behind Applegate, Underwood, and Stowers when her spot was back row.

Not sure this is a "dummies" version...but it should explain the basics of serve-receive positioning. And you did see other players near the net (Hellmuth, Perkins, Waak all played in the front row) - you just remember the others because they were so dominant when they were in the front row.

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Thank you, that was helpful but not sure what you mean by Logan "hiding in serve receive".

I watched the replay of the Louisville 5th set and could see what you're talking about on the rotation. But that raised another question. The Aggies were up 10-9 and had the serve. A Lville player was trying to set the ball and Ifeena reached across the net and blocked it. At first our players celebrated but it was called Lville's point.

The announcer said it was blocking the set and Lville got the point. The announcer then said the ball was not at the top of the plane of the net. What does that mean?

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sometimes you "HIDE" a player who is a little weaker in serve receive. TYPICALLY what you see when that happens is that the player being HIDDEN is behind the other five, frequently standing on or immediately in front of the end line. You really do not want that person making the initial play. they are on the floor to ATTACK only! they may be forced to do something else, but you leave them on the court because they can launch an effective attack from behind the ten-foot line

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Also tend to want to hide your setter because they can't set if they receive.

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I did type out a longer answer. Just so you know, I understand what you said, but the setter typically simply ignores serve-receive as she gets to her position. That person "HIDDEN" on the back row (with her feet really close to the baseline) most of the time is not running to a position. The team receiving serve just wants to prevent her from receiving serve! Like the setter, if the serving team can attack her, they can get her out of the play (they hope). The best serving teams try to serve to the players that want to take out of position to make a successful attack. I don't remember which match it was but there was one that we persistently served to the libero - and that left me wondering why in the world any coach would have a libero on the floor who was not able to competently handle serve-receive! If you can answer that one for me, I suspect even Jamie wonders!!!

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So "hidden" is a very specific arrangement, not just trying to keep a player away from the serve receive. Gotcha.

Jamie did say something about when 3 players are all stacked up on one side and potentially targeting them with the serve to create difficulty in getting into position.

I too recall the announcers saying they were targeting the libero. It might have been the Pitt game, as I rewatched that one yesterday. I believe the announcers also said something about Pitt having an offensive and defensive libero. I assume that just meant a 2 L that came in as a serving specialist like Tatum did for us. But the phrasing seemed weird, like maybe they were swapping them every half rotation. Might have to watch that one again to see which L we were targeting and when, plus how they were swapping their Ls.

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Y'all are 100 percent missing the point of the post, but thanks. Yes, I'm capable of googling an answer to all of my questions. Yes I'm capable of finding YouTube videos of others explaining what I want to know. I don't need you explaining it in the forums. I didn't ask for any of that. I asked for TexAgs content. I want people like Kay and Callie and Fitch and Stowers to explain it and also put it in context of our team or games. That world be valuable content that I'd enjoy watching.

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oh, and by the way, this is a forum post because TexAgs has no mechanism I can find to actually send Kay or Callie a message that you'd have any confidence that they saw. I tried the contact us page on the Site and that doesn't work either, including asking their support twice. @Kay if you've seen this please reply that you saw it because I feel like I'm screaming into the void.

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I can message them directly - can't you?

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don't know how. Happy to learn tho. Interesting that when I used the contact us page and asked the same question they didn't suggest it.

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Ross Skillman 70 said:

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- Correct, it is illegal to block a serve. The receiving team must be within their rotation - which is a whole topic unto itself and is a little complicated.

The rotation I keep hearing about is confusing. The only players I ever saw near the net were Stowers, Cos-Okpalla and Lendcky. Why do they not rotate to the backcourt? I guess maybe if I saw a game in person instead of TV I might be able to figure it out.

I understand you said it's a little complicated but could you take a shot at a dummies version please?

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I just found this site that does a better job that I can: Serve receive rotation rules. Read the "Overlap Rule" section to understand the requirements for position on the court. Then look at the 5-1 section to see what it looks like on the court.

What that site doesn't show is the libero (Underwood/Thomas) and defensive specialist (Applegate) roles, so if you look at rotation 1 under the 5-1, and replace our players for positions it looks like this:

Front row:
RS: Lednicky
M: Cos-Okpalla
OH: Stowers

Back row:
OH: Applegate (back row) or Hellmuth (front row)
M: Underwood/Thomas (back row) or Perkins (front row)
S: Waak

Each time you break serve, the players move one spot clockwise. Most teams start with rotation 1 so the setter is in the back row for the first 3 rotations and we get 3 hitters in the front row.

The position pictures under option 2 is what we would do in rotations 1-3. Neither option is correct for us in rotations 4-6 because we never had Lednicky receive serve. She was always hiding in serve receive behind Applegate, Underwood, and Stowers when her spot was back row.

Not sure this is a "dummies" version...but it should explain the basics of serve-receive positioning. And you did see other players near the net (Hellmuth, Perkins, Waak all played in the front row) - you just remember the others because they were so dominant when they were in the front row.

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Thank you, that was helpful but not sure what you mean by Logan "hiding in serve receive".

I watched the replay of the Louisville 5th set and could see what you're talking about on the rotation. But that raised another question. The Aggies were up 10-9 and had the serve. A Lville player was trying to set the ball and Ifeena reached across the net and blocked it. At first our players celebrated but it was called Lville's point.

The announcer said it was blocking the set and Lville got the point. The announcer then said the ball was not at the top of the plane of the net. What does that mean?

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sometimes you "HIDE" a player who is a little weaker in serve receive. TYPICALLY what you see when that happens is that the player being HIDDEN is behind the other five, frequently standing on or immediately in front of the end line. You really do not want that person making the initial play. they are on the floor to ATTACK only! they may be forced to do something else, but you leave them on the court because they can launch an effective attack from behind the ten-foot line

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Also tend to want to hide your setter because they can't set if they receive.

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I did type out a longer answer. Just so you know, I understand what you said, but the setter typically simply ignores serve-receive as she gets to her position. That person "HIDDEN" on the back row (with her feet really close to the baseline) most of the time is not running to a position. The team receiving serve just wants to prevent her from receiving serve! Like the setter, if the serving team can attack her, they can get her out of the play (they hope). The best serving teams try to serve to the players that want to take out of position to make a successful attack. I don't remember which match it was but there was one that we persistently served to the libero - and that left me wondering why in the world any coach would have a libero on the floor who was not able to competently handle serve-receive! If you can answer that one for me, I suspect even Jamie wonders!!!

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So "hidden" is a very specific arrangement, not just trying to keep a player away from the serve receive. Gotcha.

Jamie did say something about when 3 players are all stacked up on one side and potentially targeting them with the serve to create difficulty in getting into position.

I too recall the announcers saying they were targeting the libero. It might have been the Pitt game, as I rewatched that one yesterday. I believe the announcers also said something about Pitt having an offensive and defensive libero. I assume that just meant a 2 L that came in as a serving specialist like Tatum did for us. But the phrasing seemed weird, like maybe they were swapping them every half rotation. Might have to watch that one again to see which L we were targeting and when, plus how they were swapping their Ls.

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Hidden typically means when a player is taken out of serve receive as to not get picked on. If they are a back row player at the time then mainly the three person receive pattern blocks her from being picked on and takes balls that may come her way.
Stack is usually when all three front row players are put on one side of the court to allow the right front player (usually the outside hitter) to be closest to where they will attack from. It can also allow a player to hide as well someone if needed. If they don't stack then the outside takes the first ball from RF and typically will hit from RS before going over to the outside. Towards the end of the season we stacked a lot more.
Two liberos offense and defensive is when they rotate the two liberos based upon which team is serving. We did not do that but many teams employ this especially in club. Personally not a huge fan but if you have one player who is much better and dogging and reading an offense you will have her as the libero when her team is serving as the first ball coming back is defensive in nature. If the opponent is serving you can put your better passing libero on the floor to try and improve the pass to the setter and get a FBSO (first ball side out) kill.

If you have one that is better at both skills than the other she is likely the primary libero.

I would say adding in other factors that for us Underwood was better then Thomas at most libero things except serving hence the serving specialist libero.

Hellmuth was for the season maybe our "worst" primary passer and I say that because her season pass score wasn't actually that bad at all but we replaced her for three passing rotations with Applegate who was probably our best passer or close to it with Stowers and her being the best two.

Hope this helps with certain things as to the "why" or terminology.

There are many other factors that come into play but this is the basic reasoning

We didn't always "stack" at the beginning of the season in serve receive but it made for a better system IMO to get Lednicky to just get to RS quick and have Stowers hit immediately from the OH