bay fan said:
Capitol Ag said:
Pokgai said:
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/10-biggest-covid-mistakes-americans-apology-dr-marty-makary
Many claims were made on this articles. However, I am only interested in one claim:
"Ironically, when public health officials insisted that those who had natural immunity be fired for not being vaccinated, they fired those least likely to spread the infection in the workplace. Drs. Fauci and Rochelle Walensky never talked about natural immunity and instead created the imprecise construct of the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. In reality, most unvaccinated Americans have antibodies that neutralized the virus, but they are antibodies that the government did not recognize.
Eventually the data came in. Natural immunity was 2.8 times better in preventing hospitalization than vaccinated immunity and having both meant you had the same protection as natural immunity alone."
At this point, I think we need to stop pointing fingers and focus on what is truly important, which will benefit our future generations.
Do we have actual data that can support this claim?
It was a HUGE mistake and added only to the distrust the public has over all of this. Fauci, from the start, went with the strategy of the white lie to accomplish the goals he had. From the masks don't work comment to stop the public from hoarding masks to the lies about needing 80% vaccination rate only to come back and say 70% is good enough, he has constantly taken the wrong approach to all of this. The fact that natural immunity was essentially ignored or in some cases flat out denied by some doctors as beneficial is one of the benchmark problems issues in all of this. That is the idea that people's children were in any way threatened by this virus outside of an extremely small number of cases. They essentially used fear of children dying as a way to convince people to get their children vaccinated when an overwhelming majority would be totally fine if they caught covid. Again, this still persists as I heard an ad the other day claiming the vaccine would greatly reduce the chances a child would be hospitalized. Ok, sure. But just being a child greatly reduces the chances that they will be hospitalized unless the child has severe health issues.
Back to the issue, I have had covid twice. Once last January and once this past December. I have had the vaccine, both shots. At this point, I see no need to get a booster. K have the necessary natural immunity I need plus the vaccine. As for the data, I think there have now been multiple studies that have shown natural immunity to be superior.
Yet you've had it twice……I don't think your substantiating your premise on natural immunity.
Also, what people fail to factor into the equation is vaccines can be tracked by lay people. It is what it is but it is a factor in why vaccination was pushed.
Good point.
The second time was extremely mild (Was it milder b/c of vaccination or from formerly having Covid? Both? Or just b/c it was Omicron? Not confirmed Omicron but had all the tail tail signs of Omicron). The first infection wasn't bad either honestly. I trained hard with weights through both bouts. They were about a year apart. Vaxed in Feb and March 2021. Probably got vaccinated too close to the 1st infection as that was mid January '21. They'd have me wait 3 months now I think...2nd infection was late Dec. 21. Almost 12 months. Not unusual with a virus. I see no reason to be boosted at this point given the time frame.
Point is that studies are showing that patients who have had Covid already are having much milder infections the 2nd time around whether vaccinated or not. And that they are milder than the ones who were only vaccinated but never actually had covid. I do believe that the vaccine does provide protection against severe illness. Studies have shown this. It's just that natural immunity is better overall.
But I think the issue overall is that there was a real push to diminish natural immunity only for them to turn around and seemingly begrudgingly admit the importance of it as a strategy to encourage more vaccinations, which I think is dishonest if they actually knew the truth and is bad b/c it leads to mistrust of our healthcare experts. It really does seem to be more robust protection. And, from what I understand, this is typical with many viruses. Natural immunity being more robust protection overall compared to vaccines. Doesn't mean the vaccine is worthless at all. I am good with it. I am not good with the push to boost healthy people and those who have had covid and vaccinated, not ok with vaccinating under 12 yet and especially boosting under 30. Heck, under 50 really. Get the most vulnerable boosted first. The biggest reason to vaccinate young people is the chance that they could spread covid to the vulnerable. Covid itself is shown to be very mild to young people and kids with less children dying since March 2020 than a single year of the flu normally kills. Horrible but rare. Is that ( (children spreading Covid to others) a real threat at this point even when there is another spike? B/c that raise in infections should be much more mild overall given how many are naturally immune, vaccinated and boosted and who have natty plus vax and/or booster. Factor them out and now you're left with a very few number of people in real harm's way who would potentially fill up an ICU. The argument now is, instead of everyone overreacting and just counting cases, limit Covid policies and restrictions to only the areas and places most in need (certain hospital areas, nursing homes etc) and leave pretty much everywhere else, including and especially schools, alone and have no mandates going forward...
