Cross posted to Politics to avoid their commentary here

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/01/pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-safe-those-5-11-92-effective-adolescents

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Estimated adjusted vaccine effectiveness (VE) at least 14 days after the second dose, regardless of symptom status, was 92% (95% confidence interval, 79% to 97%). Twenty-one of 243 participants (8.6%) tested positive for COVID-19, 18 (85.7%) of them reporting symptoms.

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Of 15 children with preliminary reports of myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle), 7 recovered, and 4 were recovering by study end.

The deaths of 2 girls aged 5 and 6 years were reported; both had multiple chronic medical conditions and were in poor health before vaccination. No data suggested a causal link between vaccination and death.

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Your title is incorrect, this is about the 5-11 age grouping. But yes it appears the lower dose is much safer, the big question now is duration of efficacy.

Salute The Marines said:

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It appears this study was performed prior to the Omicron explosion. Do you think if it bears out that Omicron is basically the flu, does that affect your risk-reward calculation in suggesting the vax for this age group?

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I'm only advising patients with risk factors get vaccinated in all ages. Now that includes bmi > 85% so that means a bit over half of the population would benefit from vaccine. Their risk of severe disease is just so incredibly tiny it is hard to justify global coverage especially when it does not appear to be doing much to stop omicron spread.

Oh, so 2 died, 15 got myocarditis and 7 didn't recover by the end of the story and an additional 4 still haven't recovered.

And tell me, how many kids 5-11 died during this same time frame, FROM Covid?

I regret every second of getting the vaccine.

I've already had covid again post vaccine.

Weird side effects:
1. left side rib cage lymph system going crazy. Swells up goes down, swells up goes down. painful when swells up. not just one lymph or one cluster of lymphs. three separate clusters from my lower ribs all the way up just be for my armpit. They all remain squishy, but painful when they swell. This has happened three times since September. This is the side i received the vaccine.

2. Extreme off and on joint pain. knees one day, ankles and feet the next day. I am in good physical shape, and was exercising regularly prior to this onset of joint pain everywhere.


When I had Covid the second time it was so very minor, i knew in that moment, i shouldn't have gotten the vaccine after having already recovered from covid naturally. Then, with all the data on omicron showing to be a basic cold and very very few deaths...I was like, that was a dumbass fear mongered move I made to get this vaccine and mostly because my work was going to fire me. bitter and regretful.

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Oh, so 2 died, 15 got myocarditis and 7 didn't recover by the end of the story and an additional 4 still haven't recovered.

And tell me, how many kids 5-11 died during this same time frame, FROM Covid?

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Actually 7 did recover and 4 were recovering. The two deaths had nothing to do with the vaccine. Might help to actually read.

Now show me the study about the long term effects on kids...

In case you didn't know myocarditis is bad.

With how many post on here and F16 are you getting paid to post about every single study that comes out about the vaxx? Natural immunity is a thing and if you cannot tell from Omicron the current vaccine does little to slow the spread or hospitalizations. Hence the reason we have never vaccinated a cold virus before

Salute The Marines said:

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Premium said:

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Oh, so 2 died, 15 got myocarditis and 7 didn't recover by the end of the story and an additional 4 still haven't recovered.

And tell me, how many kids 5-11 died during this same time frame, FROM Covid?

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Actually 7 did recover and 4 were recovering. The two deaths had nothing to do with the vaccine. Might help to actually read.

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Your statement, "The two deaths had nothing to do with the vaccine" IS NOT TRUE. They said they couldn't find a causal link, but that doesn't mean it wasn't there. Best case scenario, they don't know the vax killed them, but it evidently caused myocarditis, which could not have helped.

And with 15 kids with myocarditus, they only mention 7 recovered, 4 recovering, 2 dead (no cauusal link found). That's 13, what happened to the other 2? Probably dead within 3 days of the vax, and therefore unreported.

snowdog90 said:

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Salute The Marines said:

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Premium said:

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Oh, so 2 died, 15 got myocarditis and 7 didn't recover by the end of the story and an additional 4 still haven't recovered.

And tell me, how many kids 5-11 died during this same time frame, FROM Covid?

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Actually 7 did recover and 4 were recovering. The two deaths had nothing to do with the vaccine. Might help to actually read.

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Your statement, "The two deaths had nothing to do with the vaccine" IS NOT TRUE. They said they couldn't find a causal link, but that doesn't mean it wasn't there. Bes case scenario, they don't know the vax killed them, but it evidently caused myocarditis, which could not have helped.

And with 15 kids with myocarditus, they only mention 7 recovered, 4 recovering, 2 dead (no cauusal link found). That's 13, what happened to the other 2? Probably dead within 3 days of the vax, and therefore unreported.

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I think the 2 dead were in addition to the Mycarditis

And yeah, posting on my phone I messed up a few numbers but the point still stands and my question about deaths FROM covid still stand.

2 dead in addition to:

7 recovered
4 did not recover by the end of the study
4 did not recover at all

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snowdog90 said:

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Salute The Marines said:

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Premium said:

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Oh, so 2 died, 15 got myocarditis and 7 didn't recover by the end of the story and an additional 4 still haven't recovered.

And tell me, how many kids 5-11 died during this same time frame, FROM Covid?

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Actually 7 did recover and 4 were recovering. The two deaths had nothing to do with the vaccine. Might help to actually read.

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God you're such a liar. Your statement, "The two deaths had nothing to do with the vaccine" IS NOT TRUE. They said they couldn't find a causal link, but that doesn't mean it wasn't there. Bes case scenario, they don't know the vax killed them, but it evidently caused myocarditis, which could not have helped.

And with 15 kids with myocarditus, they only mention 7 recovered, 4 recovering, 2 dead (no cauusal link found). That's 13, what happened to the other 2? Probably dead within 3 days of the vax, and therefore unreported.

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I think the 2 dead were in addition to the Mycarditis

And yeah, posting on my phone I messed up a few numbers but the point still stands and my question about deaths FROM covid still stand.

2 dead in addition to:

7 recovered
4 did not recover by the end of the study
4 did not recover at all

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Actually if you bothered to read the actual report, rather than to try get your f16 burns in, you'd see the other 4 didn't have verified myocarditis.

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Among 15 preliminary reports of myocarditis identified during the analytic period, 11 were verified (by provider interview or medical record review) and met the case definition for myocarditis, of these 11 children, seven recovered, and four were recovering at time of the report.

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It sounds like a very unsafe vaccine.

That is a lot of problems for 42,000 people over a short period of time.

If you took a random sample of 42,000 unvaccinated kids over the same window of time, there is no way you end up with that many dead, showing signs of heart damage, etc.

2 dead with no causal link to the vaccine bothers you?

Salute The Marines said:

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2 dead with no causal link to the vaccine bothers you?

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The people making that determination are incentivized to say anything bad is not caused by the vaccine and to downplay anything bad that they can't cover up. We hired the fox to watch the hen house and now have kids having heart problems at crazy high rates.

Salute The Marines, alas f16 permeated this board a long time ago. Thank you for your posts.

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Salute The Marines said:

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2 dead with no causal link to the vaccine bothers you?

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The people making that determination are incentivized to say anything bad is not caused by the vaccine and to downplay anything bad that they can't cover up. We hired the fox to watch the hen house and now have kids having heart problems at crazy high rates.

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So your response is that it's a conspiracy?

Anyone who vaccinates a healthy 5 year old is absolutely insane.

if vaccination does nothing to stop spread I'm not sure the point of mass vaccination tbh

Salute The Marines said:

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The deaths of 2 girls aged 5 and 6 years were reported; both had multiple chronic medical conditions and were in poor health before vaccination. No data suggested a causal link between vaccination and death.

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I'm curious what is the reason for allowing test subjects in such poor health to be a part of the study?

It's just a little myocarditis in your 5 year old, what's wrong with you?

My son is 13 and there ain't no way in hell that he is getting vaccinated until he is 18 and then he can decide for himself if he wants it or not.

I'm with cone.

Vaccine with rapidly dwindling efficacy for an inherently low risk disease vs. (admittedly) low risk of side effects with vaccine

Where is the demonstrable benefit to the healthy child? What outcome is being prevented? Current numbers show transmission reduction isn't a reasonable expectation.

This is GREAT news. Thanks for posting.

Jay Reimenschneider said:

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It's just a little myocarditis in your 5 year old, what's wrong with you?

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That's better than sniffles for a day or two, right?

Octavarium said:

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Anyone who vaccinates a healthy 5 year old is absolutely insane.

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0.03% risk of myocarditis in a 5yo based on that study. Not really worth discussing.

I love my kids too much to get them injected with this pointless, ineffective 'vaccine'.

gunan01 said:

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0.03% risk of myocarditis in a 5yo based on that study. Not really worth discussing.

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Still a Substantially higher risk of myocarditis from the vaccine than a serious Covid case for a 5yo.

cbaker20 said:

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I'm with cone.

Vaccine with rapidly dwindling efficacy for an inherently low risk disease vs. (admittedly) low risk of side effects with vaccine

Where is the demonstrable benefit to the healthy child? What outcome is being prevented? Current numbers show transmission reduction isn't a reasonable expectation.

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There is no demonstrable benefit to healthy children, which is why a large number of pediatricians including those on this board do not recommend their healthy patients get vaccinated

Thanks for sharing. Glad I made the right decision to have my get vaccinated