Jabin said:Really?Quote:
Don't see how someone not getting the vax affects me or the rest of society.
Can you see how whether a motorcyclist wearing a helmet or not could affect you or the rest of society?
The motorcyclist not wearing a helmet is much more likely to incur significantly worse physical harm in the event of an accident. All of us, as taxpayers and insurance purchasers, bear the cost of the motorcyclist's decision.GAC06 said:Jabin said:Really?Quote:
Don't see how someone not getting the vax affects me or the rest of society.
Can you see how whether a motorcyclist wearing a helmet or not could affect you or the rest of society?
How does a motorcyclist not wearing a helmet affect me? Also motorcycle accidents are deadly to everyone. A large portion of society is not threatened by covid.
By that logic (societal interest due to theoretically shared burden): I've got some standards to mandate regarding your BMI, exercise habits, diet, and consumption habits. I hope you're ready for kale-fueled ruck marches and can stride it out to keep up, cause those that fall out get half rats.Jabin said:The motorcyclist not wearing a helmet is much more likely to incur significantly worse physical harm in the event of an accident. All of us, as taxpayers and insurance purchasers, bear the cost of the motorcyclist's decision.GAC06 said:Jabin said:Really?Quote:
Don't see how someone not getting the vax affects me or the rest of society.
Can you see how whether a motorcyclist wearing a helmet or not could affect you or the rest of society?
How does a motorcyclist not wearing a helmet affect me? Also motorcycle accidents are deadly to everyone. A large portion of society is not threatened by covid.
Similarly, to the extent that vaccines result in reduced hospitalization, a decision not to be vaccinated may pass increased medical costs to all taxpayers and purchasers of insurance.
If we could ensure that non-helmet wearing motorcyclists and people who choose not to be vaccinated would solely bear their own medical costs, then I agree completely. Unfortunately, that's not the way things work in our society.
Valid response. Keep in mind, I was just responding to the earlier question how someone who doesn't wear a motorcycle helmet affects each of us.Get Off My Lawn said:By that logic (societal interest due to theoretically shared burden): I've got some standards to mandate regarding your BMI, exercise habits, diet, and consumption habits. I hope you're ready for kale-fueled ruck marches and can stride it out to keep up, cause those that fall out get half rats.Jabin said:The motorcyclist not wearing a helmet is much more likely to incur significantly worse physical harm in the event of an accident. All of us, as taxpayers and insurance purchasers, bear the cost of the motorcyclist's decision.GAC06 said:Jabin said:Really?Quote:
Don't see how someone not getting the vax affects me or the rest of society.
Can you see how whether a motorcyclist wearing a helmet or not could affect you or the rest of society?
How does a motorcyclist not wearing a helmet affect me? Also motorcycle accidents are deadly to everyone. A large portion of society is not threatened by covid.
Similarly, to the extent that vaccines result in reduced hospitalization, a decision not to be vaccinated may pass increased medical costs to all taxpayers and purchasers of insurance.
If we could ensure that non-helmet wearing motorcyclists and people who choose not to be vaccinated would solely bear their own medical costs, then I agree completely. Unfortunately, that's not the way things work in our society.
Probably right, especially when the government is funding everything right now with Monopoly money.Agthatbuilds said:
A non helmet wear motorcyclist might indeed hit my pocketbook in some small way, but they do not violate my person like a covid Vax mandate would.
Jabin said:Valid response. Keep in mind, I was just responding to the earlier question how someone who doesn't wear a motorcycle helmet affects each of us.Get Off My Lawn said:By that logic (societal interest due to theoretically shared burden): I've got some standards to mandate regarding your BMI, exercise habits, diet, and consumption habits. I hope you're ready for kale-fueled ruck marches and can stride it out to keep up, cause those that fall out get half rats.Jabin said:The motorcyclist not wearing a helmet is much more likely to incur significantly worse physical harm in the event of an accident. All of us, as taxpayers and insurance purchasers, bear the cost of the motorcyclist's decision.GAC06 said:Jabin said:Really?Quote:
Don't see how someone not getting the vax affects me or the rest of society.
Can you see how whether a motorcyclist wearing a helmet or not could affect you or the rest of society?
How does a motorcyclist not wearing a helmet affect me? Also motorcycle accidents are deadly to everyone. A large portion of society is not threatened by covid.
Similarly, to the extent that vaccines result in reduced hospitalization, a decision not to be vaccinated may pass increased medical costs to all taxpayers and purchasers of insurance.
If we could ensure that non-helmet wearing motorcyclists and people who choose not to be vaccinated would solely bear their own medical costs, then I agree completely. Unfortunately, that's not the way things work in our society.
Redassag94 said:
One thing I have not seen mentioned in this thread. This virus has an animal reservoir so we can't vaccinate our way out of this pandemic even if the vaccines preformed better. We NEED planned therapeutics. This needs to be a nationalized and well known plan. A plan that every doctor knows and every one knows through public messaging. We know about all these other drugs from big Pharma, we need a national therapeutics plan. DeSantis did this in FL and it was effective. Sadly, we won't get this.
eric76 said:What makes you think that it will get weak?Jabin said:Nobody in this discussion is saying that you should alter your life. That was not the point of the discussion. The point of the discussion is when Covid will get so weak that it is over, that is, no longer a threat.coolerguy12 said:Jabin said:How can you possibly make that assertion? I just attended the memorial service for a 65 year old retired Marine who died of Covid. Try telling him and his family that "it's already over".Get Off My Lawn said:For everyone not working in a covid unit, it's already over. You just have to stop living differently than you did before.agforlife97 said:
Vaccines don't prevent you from getting covid or transmitting it, apparently, so herd immunity may not be possible until everyone gets infected, and maybe not even then. Probably covid will mutate over time and become less deadly and then it will be over.
Genuinely sorry about your friend but I'm also no going to alter my life because of it. People die every day of all ages. It's the only guarantee we have in life. Covid is over in the sense that people can and should go back to normal. Some of us have been as normal as possible since the beginning. If I were to lose someone to Covid I would celebrate them at their funeral, cry with their loved ones, and move on just like if I were to lose someone to cancer, or a car wreck, or old age.
It's over in that sense if we would let it be over.
I'm convinced much of this due to horrible, if not intentional, lack of education about how/when COVID is spread. The average person has no idea how respiratory viruses are spread or what even constitutes an "exposure". That's why you see people wearing masks outside, or when dashing in to WalMart for a gallon of milk.Capitol Ag said:In most cases this is exactly what is happening. And back to my point, many of us feel that there is a certain level of bitterness from some b/c we have decided not to dwell on this anymore. Maybe it is all in our head and manufactured but when you see people still supporting mandates, it makes you wonder...Quote:
the only thing preventing it from being over is a person dwelling on it.
Wait, you're suggesting the vaccine doesn't prevent infections? Prevent doesn't mean 100%, it makes it less likely. Unvaccinated are about 5x more likely to be infected. The vaccine does prevent infection, it's just not 100%.Woods Ag said:
yeah, you are basing your udnerstanding on the lies that were spread at the very beginning... by April 2021 the evidence was there that it doesn't prevent infection.
the real question is why they aren't providing monoclonial antibodies, HCQ and/or Ivermectin to everyone that tests positive to Covid.
Yes, we are heard immune. But just like the flu, its never going away. A case of Covid is a useless data point, always was, always is and always will be.DCAggie13y said:
74% of people over the age of 5 have been vaccinated.
You have to think at least 33% of the unvaccinated have prior infection which puts us around 90% vaccinated or previously infected.
All this talk about the unvaccinated, you couldn't get 82% of adults to eat free ice cream. The population of unvaccinated with no prior infection can't be so large that it's the root of all problems in the US.
Is it leaky vaccines? Or is the unboosted that are the problem?
Unvaccinatted who have had Covid are not 5X more likely to be anything other than immune... Your 2x more likely to carry the virus if your vaxxed...ORAggieFan said:Wait, you're suggesting the vaccine doesn't prevent infections? Prevent doesn't mean 100%, it makes it less likely. Unvaccinated are about 5x more likely to be infected. The vaccine does prevent infection, it's just not 100%.Woods Ag said:
yeah, you are basing your udnerstanding on the lies that were spread at the very beginning... by April 2021 the evidence was there that it doesn't prevent infection.
the real question is why they aren't providing monoclonial antibodies, HCQ and/or Ivermectin to everyone that tests positive to Covid.
oldschool87 said:Unvaccinatted who have had Covid are not 5X more likely to be anything other than immune... Your 2x more likely to carry the virus if your vaxxed...ORAggieFan said:Wait, you're suggesting the vaccine doesn't prevent infections? Prevent doesn't mean 100%, it makes it less likely. Unvaccinated are about 5x more likely to be infected. The vaccine does prevent infection, it's just not 100%.Woods Ag said:
yeah, you are basing your udnerstanding on the lies that were spread at the very beginning... by April 2021 the evidence was there that it doesn't prevent infection.
the real question is why they aren't providing monoclonial antibodies, HCQ and/or Ivermectin to everyone that tests positive to Covid.
