Germany is in the middle of a massive spike.
I bet it is this new variant
I bet it is this new variant
Omicron?
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JP_Losman said:
Germany is in the middle of a massive spike.
I bet it is this new variant
Even if it isn't what a cool coincidence to justify going all hyper draconian! (I resisted using the N word that has its roots in germany ;-)
Which area in the US will shut first? NY? LA? SF? Michigan? Oregon? Bowl season?
I say this half jokingly, but you know it's coming! Thank god I'm in Texas now and no longer get NY!
Oh, we are using CDC now for our information? Okay...Old Buffalo said:
I really wish you would follow the science.Quote:
"Our vaccines are working exceptionally well," she [CDC Director Walensky] said. "They continue to work well with 'Delta' with regard to severe illness and death, but what they can't do anymore is prevent transmission."
Quote:
Can COVID-19 vaccines cause variants?
No. COVID-19 vaccines do not create or cause variants of the virus that causes COVID-19.
New variants of a virus happen because the virus that causes COVID-19 constantly changes through a natural ongoing process of mutation (change). Even before the COVID-19 vaccines, there were several variants of the virus. Looking ahead, variants are expected to continue to emerge as the virus continues to change.
COVID-19 vaccines can help prevent new variants from emerging. As it spreads, the virus has more opportunities to change. High vaccination coverage in a population reduces the spread of the virus and helps prevent new variants from emerging. CDC recommends that everyone 5 years and older get vaccinated as soon as possible.
Quote:
While COVID-19 vaccines are working well, some people who are fully vaccinated against COVID-19 will still get sick, because no vaccines are 100% effective. These are called vaccine breakthrough cases.
So vaccines reduce spread, which reduces potential for variants. If the virus didn't reduce the spread then you might have a point with the study you cited, but it does reduce the spread, so not a good comparison. Just following the science you know.Quote:
Vaccine effectiveness studies provide a growing body of evidence that mRNA COVID-19 vaccines offer similar protection in real-world conditions as they have in clinical trial settings, reducing the risk of COVID-19, including severe illness by 90 percent or more among people who are fully vaccinated.
In addition to providing protection against COVID-19, there is increasing evidence that COVID-19 vaccines also provide protection against COVID-19 infections without symptoms (asymptomatic infections). COVID-19 vaccination can reduce the spread of disease overall, helping protect people around you.
No, they are uber testing over there and only have found 2 cases of the new variant. Their spike is all Delta cases.JP_Losman said:
Germany is in the middle of a massive spike.
I bet it is this new variant
I'm not sure I'd want to take an uber if it meant getting a nose swab while driving...
Where first found =/ where originated necessarily
The CDCout and out lies when it says the vaccines cannot cause variants.
The vaccines introduce an evolutionary selection element that did not previously exist. While the vaccine does reduce the total amount of viral particles in the population that are replicated at any given time interval, which reduces the rate of random mutation in the population, the also introduce specific new evolutionary pressures that change the types of mutations that are favorable to the virus. That can have a potentially positive or negative effect as viruses that do survive and replicate will be those less affected by the current vaccines. The vaccines are forever chasing mutations and with such a contagious and now endemic virus, and they can inadvertently introduce a selection pressure towards a more virulent strain that otherwise might not develop. It is a calculated risk, a small one, but not a nonexistent one as the CDC claims.
The vaccines introduce an evolutionary selection element that did not previously exist. While the vaccine does reduce the total amount of viral particles in the population that are replicated at any given time interval, which reduces the rate of random mutation in the population, the also introduce specific new evolutionary pressures that change the types of mutations that are favorable to the virus. That can have a potentially positive or negative effect as viruses that do survive and replicate will be those less affected by the current vaccines. The vaccines are forever chasing mutations and with such a contagious and now endemic virus, and they can inadvertently introduce a selection pressure towards a more virulent strain that otherwise might not develop. It is a calculated risk, a small one, but not a nonexistent one as the CDC claims.
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nonyabidnys said:
Already had it; no big deal.
- aches
- fatigue
- mild temp 99.5
- diarrhea
- nausea
- headache (bad)
- eye pain
- chills
Was already vaccinated (J&J) and already had Covid twice in 2020 (loss of smell, chills, fever, mild cough). Which probably explains why I didn't get those symptoms with Omicron.
How do you know you had Omicron specifically?
It's an assumption based off where I was traveling in the last few weeks.
Europe cases are spiking
But deaths are staying remarkably low. Vaccines?Dan Scott said:
Europe cases are spiking
Jabin said:But deaths are staying remarkably low. Vaccines?Dan Scott said:
Europe cases are spiking
Or just less deadly. Either way, good sign.
Omicron is not "spiking" in Europe yet. Just a few cases found. Trust me, the doom and gloomers would be shouting on every mountain if their spike was due to Omicron variant.
So confusing, when to believe CDC and when to not believe them. Apparently when it suits your purposes....MouthBQ98 said:
The CDCout and out lies when it says the vaccines cannot cause variants.
The vaccines introduce an evolutionary selection element that did not previously exist. While the vaccine does reduce the total amount of viral particles in the population that are replicated at any given time interval, which reduces the rate of random mutation in the population, the also introduce specific new evolutionary pressures that change the types of mutations that are favorable to the virus. That can have a potentially positive or negative effect as viruses that do survive and replicate will be those less affected by the current vaccines. The vaccines are forever chasing mutations and with such a contagious and now endemic virus, and they can inadvertently introduce a selection pressure towards a more virulent strain that otherwise might not develop. It is a calculated risk, a small one, but not a nonexistent one as the CDC claims.
Aston94 said:So confusing, when to believe CDC and when to not believe them. Apparently when it suits your purposes....MouthBQ98 said:
The CDCout and out lies when it says the vaccines cannot cause variants.
The vaccines introduce an evolutionary selection element that did not previously exist. While the vaccine does reduce the total amount of viral particles in the population that are replicated at any given time interval, which reduces the rate of random mutation in the population, the also introduce specific new evolutionary pressures that change the types of mutations that are favorable to the virus. That can have a potentially positive or negative effect as viruses that do survive and replicate will be those less affected by the current vaccines. The vaccines are forever chasing mutations and with such a contagious and now endemic virus, and they can inadvertently introduce a selection pressure towards a more virulent strain that otherwise might not develop. It is a calculated risk, a small one, but not a nonexistent one as the CDC claims.
They've done little to engender trust with their clearly political and flip-floppy stances…an agency that has blown its chance to be the go-to source of information. Unfortunately for them, this isn't the movie Contagion and you can't Ex Machina your way to a neat and tidy "TA-da!" fix.
nonyabidnys said:
It's an assumption based off where I was traveling in the last few weeks.
Not sure you can easily make that assumption. It's not all over, everywhere.
Schools will be restarting in January.. gotta push more testing so they can find young people with zERO sickness who are carrying and drive up the case counts …. Just like this past August and September…. Ring any bellsOld Buffalo said:
More interested in what happened to:
Epsilon
Zeta
Eta
Theta
Iota
Kappa
Lambda
Mu
Nu
Xi
Feels like we skipped a few.
Aston94 said:
Omicron is not "spiking" in Europe yet. Just a few cases found. Trust me, the doom and gloomers would be shouting on every mountain if their spike was due to Omicron variant.
I don't know if it's Omicron but according to Worldometer, Europe is at the beginning of another wave
Dan Scott said:Aston94 said:
Omicron is not "spiking" in Europe yet. Just a few cases found. Trust me, the doom and gloomers would be shouting on every mountain if their spike was due to Omicron variant.
I don't know if it's Omicron but according to Worldometer, Europe is at the beginning of another wave
Right, it's the countries that locked down this last year and missed the last Delta spike. UK cases aren't spiking as they have stayed relatively open. Germany, Netherlands, Austria are all getting their Delta spike like we had this summer. Omicron was discovered last week, it is not the source of a spike which has been going on for a month.
AgsMyDude said:nonyabidnys said:
It's an assumption based off where I was traveling in the last few weeks.
Not sure you can easily make that assumption. It's not all over, everywhere.
But it's definitely in South Africa, correct? I stand by my statement
nonyabidnys said:AgsMyDude said:nonyabidnys said:
It's an assumption based off where I was traveling in the last few weeks.
Not sure you can easily make that assumption. It's not all over, everywhere.
But it's definitely in South Africa, correct? I stand by my statement
If so you should consult with you physician. You could have valuable blood right now.
nonyabidnys said:AgsMyDude said:nonyabidnys said:
It's an assumption based off where I was traveling in the last few weeks.
Not sure you can easily make that assumption. It's not all over, everywhere.
But it's definitely in South Africa, correct? I stand by my statement
It is but doesn't mean you can just say you had it with any level of certainty.
At the very least it would allow the news to have screaming headlines once it is confirmed.Aston94 said:nonyabidnys said:AgsMyDude said:nonyabidnys said:
It's an assumption based off where I was traveling in the last few weeks.
Not sure you can easily make that assumption. It's not all over, everywhere.
But it's definitely in South Africa, correct? I stand by my statement
If so you should consult with you physician. You could have valuable blood right now.
Jabin said:But deaths are staying remarkably low. Vaccines?Dan Scott said:
Europe cases are spiking
Wait, so now it's back to only being about deaths?
Remember, it is very important to the narrative to keep moving the goalposts.
General Omar '79
I just got off a call where the former Director for Medical and Biodefense Preparedness Policy at the National Security Council gave an update on COVID.
According to her, Omicron seems to be following the normal evolutionary path of viruses and becoming more transmissible and less severe. In the countries where it's most prevalent currently, it's increasing as a share of the variants in the larger population at a faster rate than Beta or Delta did while hospitalizations are down compared to those two.
Hopefully, this trend continues to hold and this becomes the dominant variant we need to kill all of this insanity.
According to her, Omicron seems to be following the normal evolutionary path of viruses and becoming more transmissible and less severe. In the countries where it's most prevalent currently, it's increasing as a share of the variants in the larger population at a faster rate than Beta or Delta did while hospitalizations are down compared to those two.
Hopefully, this trend continues to hold and this becomes the dominant variant we need to kill all of this insanity.
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The DDOJSIOC!?
Seriously though, that's good news.
Seriously though, that's good news.
Who are you?Proposition Joe said:
The DDOJSIOC!?
Seriously though, that's good news.
I'm the D Dodge Jay Sock, bi^ch!
Which red line is Wonderworld behind??Proposition Joe said:
The DDOJSIOC!?
Seriously though, that's good news.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/12/03/world/omicron-variant-covid/omicron-is-spreading-more-than-twice-as-quickly-as-the-delta-variant-in-south-africa-scientists-report
Underscoring growing concerns about Omicron, scientists in South Africa said on Friday that the newest coronavirus variant appears to spread more than twice as quickly as Delta, which had been considered the most contagious version of the virus.
Omicron's rapid spread results from a combination of contagiousness and an ability to dodge the body's immune defenses, the researchers said, but the contribution of each factor is not yet certain.
The variant was first identified in South Africa on Nov. 23 and has quickly come to account for about three-quarters of new cases in the country. South Africa reported 11,535 new coronavirus cases on Thursday, a 35 percent jump from the day before, and the proportion of positive test results increased to 22.4 percent from 16.5 percent.
"It is actually really striking how quickly it seems to have taken over," said Juliet Pulliam, the director of an epidemiological modeling center at the University of Stellenbosch in South Africa, who led the earlier research on immunity.
Omicron cases in particular are doubling roughly every three days in Gauteng province, home to South Africa's densely populated economic hub and now the epicenter of the country's fourth wave of infections, the researchers said on Friday.
In a mathematical analysis, they estimated the variant's Rt a measure of how quickly a virus spreads and compared it to the metric for Delta. They found that Omicron's Rt is nearly 2.5 times higher than that of Delta.
Underscoring growing concerns about Omicron, scientists in South Africa said on Friday that the newest coronavirus variant appears to spread more than twice as quickly as Delta, which had been considered the most contagious version of the virus.
Omicron's rapid spread results from a combination of contagiousness and an ability to dodge the body's immune defenses, the researchers said, but the contribution of each factor is not yet certain.
The variant was first identified in South Africa on Nov. 23 and has quickly come to account for about three-quarters of new cases in the country. South Africa reported 11,535 new coronavirus cases on Thursday, a 35 percent jump from the day before, and the proportion of positive test results increased to 22.4 percent from 16.5 percent.
"It is actually really striking how quickly it seems to have taken over," said Juliet Pulliam, the director of an epidemiological modeling center at the University of Stellenbosch in South Africa, who led the earlier research on immunity.
Omicron cases in particular are doubling roughly every three days in Gauteng province, home to South Africa's densely populated economic hub and now the epicenter of the country's fourth wave of infections, the researchers said on Friday.
In a mathematical analysis, they estimated the variant's Rt a measure of how quickly a virus spreads and compared it to the metric for Delta. They found that Omicron's Rt is nearly 2.5 times higher than that of Delta.
Still waiting on any information about severity relative to prior strains.
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well this is highly concerning
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