Agreed, and this is all pure speculation. There is zero evidence this variant is worse than others, in fact several reports from doctors in S Africa say the cases are extremely mild.

It would be funny if it weren't so disturbing.

I have some friends currently in South Africa and judging by their social media posts.... nobody is concerned about this variant down there.

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I have some friends currently in South Africa and judging by their social media posts.... nobody is concerned about this variant down there.

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Moving to South Africa is suddenly starting to sound promising.

More interested in what happened to:

Epsilon
Zeta
Eta
Theta
Iota
Kappa
Lambda
Mu
Nu
Xi


Feels like we skipped a few.

I think they actually used all the names but, despite being MUTATED, those strands ended up being nothing burgers....

Nu....didnt want it to sound like "new" is the theory

Xi...didnt want to offend chinese is the theory

Isn't that the typical pattern for mutations - more transmissible, less serious health risk?

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Isn't that the typical pattern for mutations - more transmissible, less serious health risk?

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Which means that, if that's the case, this can be considered normal (and expected) as well as a GOOD thing. If this is the case, we want this weaker variant to spread and immunize, knowing covid as a whole isn't going anywhere.

If Covid-19 follows the path almost every other novel virus has ever evolved - eventually a variant will emerge that is far less deadly and more transmissible. This helps the virus do what it wants to do - spread. (Dead hosts can't spread a virus)

Then the new virus strain becomes dominant and endemic, and ultimately so lame we just lump it into family of viruses known as "the common cold"

FrioAg 00 said:

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If Covid-19 follows the path almost every other novel virus has ever evolved - eventually a variant will emerge that is far less deadly and more transmissible. This helps the virus do what it wants to do - spread. (Dead hosts can't spread a virus)

Then the new virus strain becomes dominant and endemic, and ultimately so lame we just lump it into family of viruses known as "the common cold"

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That's what would've normally happened.

But now, hosts that otherwise would die, but don't because they have less severe symptoms due to a leaky vaccine, can easily (potentially/maybe) select for that more dangerous variant that wouldn't naturally survive otherwise. Man-made natural selection, which is in essence an unnatural selection. We're taking a man made virus and making it into a more dangerous man-made version of what wouldn't exist without our sloppy interference.

But you'll never hear this from the media or so called "experts." All new and more dangerous variants will always be due to the evil unvaccinated. Using this very realistic logic, though, it is more likely that the vaccinated are responsible for any worsening variants than the unvaccinated. It's time for people to get their heads out of their arrogant asses and see what may be happening, instead of 100% blaming everyone who dares to choose for themselves.

Of course, once the vaccinated create these worse versions of covid, the only way for the unvaccinated to survive will be to become vaccinated themselves. Perhaps that's already known by the experts, which is why there's such a push to force it upon us. They know what they're creating.

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FrioAg 00 said:

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If Covid-19 follows the path almost every other novel virus has ever evolved - eventually a variant will emerge that is far less deadly and more transmissible. This helps the virus do what it wants to do - spread. (Dead hosts can't spread a virus)

Then the new virus strain becomes dominant and endemic, and ultimately so lame we just lump it into family of viruses known as "the common cold"

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That's what would've normally happened.

But now, hosts that otherwise would die, but don't because they have less severe symptoms due to a leaky vaccine, can easily (potentially/maybe) select for that more dangerous variant that wouldn't naturally survive otherwise. Man-made natural selection, which is in essence an unnatural selection. We're taking a man made virus and making it into a more dangerous man-made version of what wouldn't exist without our sloppy interference.

But you'll never hear this from the media or so called "experts." All new and more dangerous variants will always be due to the evil unvaccinated. Using this very realistic logic, though, it is more likely that the vaccinated are responsible for any worsening variants than the unvaccinated. It's time for people to get their heads out of their arrogant asses and see what may be happening, instead of 100% blaming everyone who dares to choose for themselves.

Of course, once the vaccinated create these worse versions of covid, the only way for the unvaccinated to survive will be to become vaccinated themselves. Perhaps that's already known by the experts, which is why there's such a push to force it upon us. They know what they're creating.

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I can't believe some people really believe this BS. Both this variant and Delta emerged from Southern Africa and India respectively, two regions with extremely low vaccination rates. But sure let's blame vaccination on emerging variants.

This pandemic really has brought to the forefront just how dumb some people really are

57% of India has at least one vaccine dose, which means literally it's either #1 or #2 in the number of vaccinated people (depending on if anyone believes any numbers that come out of the Chinese government)

But you sort of if did make your own point about how this brings out the dumb

the delta variant emerged last October when the vaccination rate was essentially zero but thanks for that irrelevant piece of data

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hosts that otherwise would die, but don't because they have less severe symptoms due to a leaky vaccine

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Okay, my post got removed because I took issue with this comment. It appears that WoMD thinks that if Covid had been allowed to kill more people, we would not see dangerous variants evolve.

Further, if that is true, and if the Covid vaccines are leaky, then we should stop giving flu vaccines as well, because they are even more leaky.

Logically, therefore, any vaccine that is not completely effective should not be deployed, because it is better to thin the herd of humanity by natural selection.

What have I missed here?

Read an interesting article this AM from the doctor that caught the mutation considers it to be mild.

https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/safrican-doctor-says-patients-with-omicron-variant-have-very-mild-symptoms-2021-11-28/


She was confused as the presenting symptoms were completely different from the Delta variant.

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JOHANNESBURG, Nov 28 (Reuters) - A South African doctor who was one of the first to suspect a different coronavirus strain among patients said on Sunday that symptoms of the Omicron variant were so far mild and could be treated at home.

Dr. Angelique Coetzee, a private practitioner and chair of South African Medical Association, told Reuters that on Nov. 18 she noticed seven patients at her clinic who had symptoms different from the dominant Delta variant, albeit "very mild".

"Symptoms at that stage was very much related to normal viral infection. And because we haven't seen COVID-19 for the past eight to 10 weeks, we decided to test," she said, adding that the patient and his family turned out to be positive.

On the same day, more patients came in with similar symptoms, which was when she realised there was "something else going on." Since then, she's seen two to three patients a day.

"We have seen a lot of Delta patients during the third wave. And this doesn't fit in the clinical picture," she said, adding she alerted NICD on the same day with the clinical results.

"Most of them are seeing very, very mild symptoms and none of them so far have admitted patients to surgeries. We have been able to treat these patients conservatively at home," she said.
Coetzee, who is also on the Ministerial Advisory Committee on Vaccines, said unlike the Delta so far patients have not reported loss of smell or taste and there has been no major drop in oxygen levels with the new variant.

Her experience so far has been that the variant is affecting people who are 40 or younger. Almost half of the patients with Omicron symptoms that she treated were not vaccinated.

"The most predominant clinical complaint is severe fatigue for one or two days. With them, the headache and the body aches and pain."

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Also will be skipping the pi variant, as people would be wanting it served a la mode.

WoMD said:

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FrioAg 00 said:

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If Covid-19 follows the path almost every other novel virus has ever evolved - eventually a variant will emerge that is far less deadly and more transmissible. This helps the virus do what it wants to do - spread. (Dead hosts can't spread a virus)

Then the new virus strain becomes dominant and endemic, and ultimately so lame we just lump it into family of viruses known as "the common cold"

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That's what would've normally happened.

But now, hosts that otherwise would die, but don't because they have less severe symptoms due to a leaky vaccine, can easily (potentially/maybe) select for that more dangerous variant that wouldn't naturally survive otherwise. Man-made natural selection, which is in essence an unnatural selection. We're taking a man made virus and making it into a more dangerous man-made version of what wouldn't exist without our sloppy interference.

But you'll never hear this from the media or so called "experts." All new and more dangerous variants will always be due to the evil unvaccinated. Using this very realistic logic, though, it is more likely that the vaccinated are responsible for any worsening variants than the unvaccinated. It's time for people to get their heads out of their arrogant asses and see what may be happening, instead of 100% blaming everyone who dares to choose for themselves.

Of course, once the vaccinated create these worse versions of covid, the only way for the unvaccinated to survive will be to become vaccinated themselves. Perhaps that's already known by the experts, which is why there's such a push to force it upon us. They know what they're creating.

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Of all the goofy things posted on this board over the last year and a half, this one may take the cake. The fact that 12 people liked it is really intriguing to me.

Facts:
Delta variant began in India before vaccines were widely available there.

Omicron variant began in Southern Africa where vaccination rates are very low.

Neither started in places where they could be attributed to your theory on vaccines.

More cases=more chances of variants
Fewer cases=fewer chances of variants

Vaccines lead to fewer cases giving the virus fewer chances to mutate and giving mutations fewer hosts to spread to.

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Read an interesting article this AM from the doctor that caught the mutation considers it to be mild.

https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/safrican-doctor-says-patients-with-omicron-variant-have-very-mild-symptoms-2021-11-28/


She was confused as the presenting symptoms were completely different from the Delta variant.

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JOHANNESBURG, Nov 28 (Reuters) - A South African doctor who was one of the first to suspect a different coronavirus strain among patients said on Sunday that symptoms of the Omicron variant were so far mild and could be treated at home.

Dr. Angelique Coetzee, a private practitioner and chair of South African Medical Association, told Reuters that on Nov. 18 she noticed seven patients at her clinic who had symptoms different from the dominant Delta variant, albeit "very mild".

"Symptoms at that stage was very much related to normal viral infection. And because we haven't seen COVID-19 for the past eight to 10 weeks, we decided to test," she said, adding that the patient and his family turned out to be positive.

On the same day, more patients came in with similar symptoms, which was when she realised there was "something else going on." Since then, she's seen two to three patients a day.

"We have seen a lot of Delta patients during the third wave. And this doesn't fit in the clinical picture," she said, adding she alerted NICD on the same day with the clinical results.

"Most of them are seeing very, very mild symptoms and none of them so far have admitted patients to surgeries. We have been able to treat these patients conservatively at home," she said.
Coetzee, who is also on the Ministerial Advisory Committee on Vaccines, said unlike the Delta so far patients have not reported loss of smell or taste and there has been no major drop in oxygen levels with the new variant.

Her experience so far has been that the variant is affecting people who are 40 or younger. Almost half of the patients with Omicron symptoms that she treated were not vaccinated.

"The most predominant clinical complaint is severe fatigue for one or two days. With them, the headache and the body aches and pain."

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Interesting post thanks for sharing it.

Paradoxically if Omnicron can outcompete Delta for contagiousness but is milder it could actually be a mutation that makes COVID a big nothing infection. What is important is the population that is currently being infected is likely young without comorbidities, much like the majority of South Africa. When it infects high risk patients for severe COVID will be the real test.

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Of all the goofy things posted on this board over the last year and a half, this one may take the cake. The fact that 12 people liked it is really intriguing to me.

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https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002198

Yes - goofy. Except this theory is based on a study before big brother became the gatekeeper on science.

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Key quote from conclusion:
Our data show that anti-disease vaccines that do not prevent transmission can create conditions that promote the emergence of pathogen strains that cause more severe disease in unvaccinated hosts.

If the Covid vaccines did not prevent transmission then I would agree that their theory is applicable. But Covid vaccines do prevent transmission (or greatly reduce it) making this paper not on point.

As I said above, lesser numbers with virus means lesser chances for mutations.

I really wish you would follow the science.

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"Our vaccines are working exceptionally well," she [CDC Director Walensky] said. "They continue to work well with 'Delta' with regard to severe illness and death, but what they can't do anymore is prevent transmission."

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Here's an actual electron microscope picture of the omicron:


These mutations are getting crazy!