tysker said:

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ea1060 said:

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tysker said:

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ea1060 said:

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SamHou said:

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https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2784918?fbclid=IwAR3KbfpZodp6b4RCPQLGr0WH0HCXpwab110UDjSMBIg6_HmUXsuN7_Rpb6w

-33% develop Generalized Anxiety Disorder
-20% depression
-20% cognitive impairment
-30% labored breathing
-44% reduction in general functional mobility
-etc

Things to keep in mind for people solely focused on using deaths as an outcome metric for COVID

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Daily dose of fear porn and misleading stats. If it was that common as those numbers indicate, this would be all over the news and we would all hear about it.

Out of everyone I know that's had covid, I know one person with long-haul symptoms, and even those I question because she still goes out late at night partying but then says she long-haul symptoms randomly get her.

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Not trying to argue with you, but look at long hauler groups on facebook and reddit. Lots and lots of people with similar long haul stories. Also, there has been lots of news coverage about long haulers since last year. Do a google search.

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Long hauler groups on Facebook have more depression, social anxiety disorders, and 'brain fog?' Is this caused by covid or because they sit around all day reading about long hauler problems on facebook?

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Swing and a miss!

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Then what is the cause of the social and mental issues in your experience?

Eta: I ask a person that has a history of mental health and social interaction issues due to a chronic disease. So I've been there for over 40 years and well before anyone cared about stuff like social anxiety and ptsd

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Did you read the study in the original post? A lot of people with long haul covid develop depression and anxiety. Covid affects the brain in weird ways. For example, I now have daily vertigo/dizzy symptoms for the past 7 months after I got the vaccine. Another poster on here has had long haul covid for 10 months and she has daily vertigo/dizzy symptoms as well.

Or do you think it's all in our heads (no pun intended)?

I'm just wondering if anyone has actually read the study because it suggests "long Covid" is likely a psychological thing rather than a physical one.

Literally the base of your argument is against you.

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Can you imagine being so dense to discount the experience of so many people because it doesn't fit your narrative? These same probably think only 10,000 people have died from this. These same people tell ICU nurses they didn't experience what they did.

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Old Buffalo said:

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I'm just wondering if anyone has actually read the study because it suggests "long Covid" is likely a psychological thing rather than a physical one.

Literally the base of your argument is against you.

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Do you personally think Covid physically causes depression and anxiety in our brain or its all in our head?

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Literally in the summary:

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Findings suggest that persistent physical symptoms after COVID-19 infection should not be automatically ascribed to SARS-CoV-2

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The findings of this cross-sectional analysis of a large, population-based French cohort suggest that persistent physical symptoms after COVID-19 infection may be associated more with the belief in having been infected with SARS-CoV-2 than with having laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 infection

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LONG COVID DOES NOT EXIST.


But let's continue....

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Although the participants were aware of the serology results when they reported having had COVID-19 infection or not, less than half of those with a positive serology test reported having experienced the disease.

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ooo.... The world's most deadly disease where 50% of the people didn't even know they had it.

Do you even understand the study you posted?

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That doesn't mean long COVID doesn't exist. Like all good studies it discusses the weaknesses in the study and discusses evidence that might suggest the data they have is inflated - however that is distinctly different than "long covid doesn't exist".

Nobody said it was the world's most deadly disease. That isn't even discussed in this thread. You're creating quite the strawman over there. Do you even understand the study?

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I'm just wondering if anyone has actually read the study because it suggests "long Covid" is likely a psychological thing rather than a physical one.

Literally the base of your argument is against you.

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Again you can't say because some people may be experiencing psychological "long COVID" that everyone is. It's far more likely that the majority of long covid people have a physical issue than the other way around.

What you are saying is like me concluding that since a lot of people self report having had COVID in F16 in November and December 2019 - before COVID was in America - that most people who "caught COVID" only had psychological symptoms, not physical symptoms. Why? Because some people self reported catching COVID when it's virtually impossible for them to have had COVID then all COVID cases must be made up. That is the extent of your logic.

I get it, it's more convenient for you to believe that people with long COVID have "psychologically chosen" to have it. It provides some sort of self assurance that it won't affect you and isn't a big deal. But the odds are, what many of them are experiencing is very real.

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Old Buffalo said:

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I'm just wondering if anyone has actually read the study because it suggests "long Covid" is likely a psychological thing rather than a physical one.

Literally the base of your argument is against you.

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Again you can't say because some people may be experiencing psychological "long COVID" that everyone is. It's far more likely that the majority of long covid people have a physical issue than the other way around.

What you are saying is like me concluding that since a lot of people self report having had COVID in F16 in November and December 2019 - before COVID was in America - that most people who "caught COVID" only had psychological symptoms, not physical symptoms. Why? Because some people self reported catching COVID when it's virtually impossible for them to have had COVID then all COVID cases must be made up. That is the extent of your logic.

I get it, it's more convenient for you to believe that people with long COVID have "psychologically chosen" to have it. It provides some sort of self assurance that it won't affect you and isn't a big deal. But the odds are, what many of them are experiencing is very real.

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Do anti-covid long haulers not believe in long mono either lol? Theres lots of cases of people experiencing Mono symptoms 6 months or longer after infection. My doctor told me she had a patient that had Mono symptoms for 18 months.

It doesn't matter what I personally think. We are discussing the study posted, which the OP used to claim long-term COVID effects. The study found no significant difference between self reported symptoms.

Further, if you really wanted to perform a study here, we'd have controls on variables by assessing baseline health before and after COVID.

Also, the link now redirects to a different study - big brother must have found out the narrative is getting out. Here is the original link below.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2785832

I'm sure there are people that have chronic covid symptoms. It happens in a number of diseases but it is interesting to me that in regards to a disease which has been at the front of everyone's minds for 2 years now, few seem to bring up the idea that some people with long covid symptoms may have some association with somatic symptom disorder.

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You sir, are an idiot. Actually most long haulers get worse after taking the vaccine.

So my daily dizzy spells, daily fevers, daily ear aches, daily muscle/joint pain is all in my head?

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This is completely untrue. Just needed to point that out. There is no evidence to back up this statement.

You need to not use Facebook and Reddit as sources. They're less than unreliable. People lie on both of those.

People need to stop using meta or what ever the eff those losers call themselves now…

We have an officer at our PD who had Covid last fall and he is still out on light duty with mobility issues.

Friend and I caught very bad cases in vegas a few weeks back.

i had been taking quercetin, vitamin d and zinc supps along with multi's - didnt seem to help much.

but absolutely slammed all week in vegas - over worked (car race)... sunday was low energy and super sore but was on the road course do didnt really notice.

driving back monday was really weak trying to walk, and muscle sore.
tuesday just kept getting more weak and sore,

then started gettting an intermittent fever and bed weak, got tested saturday, Monoclonal AB sunday, sick and weak for another week, now recovered other than a slight cough.

never lost taste, smell; never had severe headaches, but was 92 o2 and bed ridden for about 5 days....

this thread scared the **** out of me, but i hope to fully recover. so far, just still 97 or so o2, and less endurance than i should.

friend was a bit worse (he is 40's, me 50's, neither unhealthy).... spent a couple of days in the hospital.

he still can't hold his hands as steady to weld or work a full day, and has a bit of foggy mindedness still.

i'll update here as a data point if anything lingers.