The first time I had Covid without Ivermectin was worse than the second time I had Covid and was prescribed Ivermectin.
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Gordo14 said:Pinche Abogado said:
Two data points for our esteemed colleagues.
Well with that logic there was that thread where 3 people including Rex all said they took Ivermectin and ended up in the ICU with COVID. So based on this purely anecdotal study of 5 people, taking Ivermectin increases your odds of going to the ICU with COVID by an order if magnitude.
I hear snake oil is another COVID miracle drug. Some 90-95% of people that take it get better shortly after.
Do you maintain the same level of ridicule for every attempted treatment that does not first have clinically proven efficacy? Genuinely curious.
Rick Burns said:
The first time I had Covid without Ivermectin was worse than the second time I had Covid and was prescribed Ivermectin.
Hmmmm……HAD to be the horse de-wormer
gunan01 said:Rick Burns said:
The first time I had Covid without Ivermectin was worse than the second time I had Covid and was prescribed Ivermectin.
Hmmmm……HAD to be the horse de-wormer
Or a robust immune system. Or both.
The vaccine is not the savior this board pretends it to be.
Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God.
Does the vaccine prevent all cases and transmission? No. But I would rather have something that has these results (source: CDC):
Unvaccinated people have:
6.1x greater risk of testing positive for COVID-19
11.3x greater risk of dying from COVID-19
compared to fully vaccinated people.
Than something that has not been proven in a study to be effective. You don't need any college degrees to comprehend that
Unvaccinated people have:
6.1x greater risk of testing positive for COVID-19
11.3x greater risk of dying from COVID-19
compared to fully vaccinated people.
Than something that has not been proven in a study to be effective. You don't need any college degrees to comprehend that
Pinche Abogado said:
So, you have no first hand experience with any of the topics you are opining.
Thanks.
I had COVID and was not given Ivermectin and I clearly survived.
If you say you hate the state of politics in this nation and you don't get involved in it, you obviously don't hate the state of politics in this nation.
Great! Another person that does not need the ineffective vaccine.
Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God.
Vax-evangalists are doing harm to their cause with their high pressure sales tactics. The remaining population will only dig heels in further as you gleefully attack any potential alternatives to your jab.
An approach like KidDoc's (it doesn't look to be effective as an off label use in this case, but is a great drug for its primary uses and we'd have loved to have seen it work here) goes a whole lot further than any "haha - horse deworming anti-vaxers!" rhetoric. If Covid really is an existential threat, then we should all be on the same side of cheering for ANY and ALL treatments and lamenting (rather than reveling in) all failed options.
An approach like KidDoc's (it doesn't look to be effective as an off label use in this case, but is a great drug for its primary uses and we'd have loved to have seen it work here) goes a whole lot further than any "haha - horse deworming anti-vaxers!" rhetoric. If Covid really is an existential threat, then we should all be on the same side of cheering for ANY and ALL treatments and lamenting (rather than reveling in) all failed options.
You should not care what others do so much.
Get your vaccinations and and try to be happy. Leave others alone.
Get your vaccinations and and try to be happy. Leave others alone.
Pinche Abogado said:
Great! Another person that does not need the ineffective vaccine.
I don't need the flu vaccine to survive it but I also want to limit how sick I get. So I chose to get the vaccine. I don't understand why you are on a crusade here.
If you say you hate the state of politics in this nation and you don't get involved in it, you obviously don't hate the state of politics in this nation.
Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:Pinche Abogado said:
Great! Another person that does not need the ineffective vaccine.
I don't need the flu vaccine to survive it but I also want to limit how sick I get. So I chose to get the vaccine. I don't understand why you are on a crusade here.
It's about freedom. You chose the vaccine. We should be free to choose to not take it. The people you support want to take that choice away from us.
So, taking graduate level stat courses is more relevant than first hand experience, twice?Windy City Ag said:
No, I have no firsthand experience treating COVID symptoms with Ivermectin. You got me.
I did do a big chunk of my graduate studies in statistical research and have worked for years in trying to tease out reliable relationships in data-sets while avoiding the all too human biases, false beliefs, and poorly structured research efforts that lead the average joe to make dumb choices on the margin.
Based on that, I still believe your single data-point and personal beliefs are completely irrelevant to this discussion. If you can't grasp why that is, we will just have to move on here.
You're really getting pounded here
So many numerically illiterate people in this world. It is really depressing. At least this guy doesn't have an Ag Tag and is probably a T-shirt troll.Quote:
So, taking graduate level stat courses is more relevant than first hand experience, twice?
You're really getting pounded here
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You should not care what others do so much.
Get your vaccinations and and try to be happy. Leave others alone.
I do agree with this. I am to the point that the anti-vaccine crowd is going to do what it does and the rest of the world has curtailed the tail risk of it all and we just need to move on.
FredBarnum said:So, taking graduate level stat courses is more relevant than first hand experience, twice?Windy City Ag said:
No, I have no firsthand experience treating COVID symptoms with Ivermectin. You got me.
I did do a big chunk of my graduate studies in statistical research and have worked for years in trying to tease out reliable relationships in data-sets while avoiding the all too human biases, false beliefs, and poorly structured research efforts that lead the average joe to make dumb choices on the margin.
Based on that, I still believe your single data-point and personal beliefs are completely irrelevant to this discussion. If you can't grasp why that is, we will just have to move on here.
You're really getting pounded here
I hope this is sarcasm.
You claim superiority from "statistical literacy" - then define the world as vax'ed vs unvaxed without differentiating for age and risk factors, or accounting for natural immunity...
That juxtaposition rates mockery and public embarrassment far beyond what moderation would allow.
That juxtaposition rates mockery and public embarrassment far beyond what moderation would allow.
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You claim superiority from "statistical literacy" - then define the world as vax'ed vs unvaxed without differentiating for age and risk factors, or accounting for natural immunity...
That juxtaposition rates mockery and public embarrassment far beyond what moderation would allow.ing
All this goes back to people saying "this is what happened to me" and therefore "my conclusion is right."
This is not and never will be a good train of thought for these type of discussions. That is not "superiority". That is just how the world works.
This all comes back to individual v. group choice.
I have made my decision on my personal experience and should not be forced to take an experimental drug based on data that I cannot confirm and is likely skewed.
I have made my decision on my personal experience and should not be forced to take an experimental drug based on data that I cannot confirm and is likely skewed.
Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God.
You stated that:Windy City Ag said:?????Quote:
You claim superiority from "statistical literacy" - then define the world as vax'ed vs unvaxed without differentiating for age and risk factors, or accounting for natural immunity...
That juxtaposition rates mockery and public embarrassment far beyond what moderation would allow.ing
All this goes back to people saying "this is what happened to me" and therefore "my conclusion is right."
This is not and never will be a good train of thought for these type of discussions. That is not "superiority". That is just how the world works.
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I am to the point that the anti-vaccine crowd is going to do what it does and the rest of the world has curtailed the tail risk of it all and we just need to move on.
But to date massive population segments remain unvaccinated or were only very recently vaccinated.
This includes virtually all children, huge swathes of the global population, and a significant proportion of young adults. And now with Delta moving through the vaccinated population as well (especially those well removed from their vax date) and Covid has found reservoirs in animal populations... everyone is going to get Covid.
When the dust settles, the vaccine's benefit at a statistical level was only in moving high-risk individuals down to a low risk. The hospitals were never overflowing with healthy 20yo's before or after they were made eligible for the vaccine. To frame it as a "team vaccinated victory despite anti-vax opposition!" is 1-dimensional and exposes you as an ideology rather than the great thinker you suppose yourself to be.
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