Aspirate before vaccine - providers in Woodlands/Conroe/Montgomery

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javick82
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8:23a, 10/30/21
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We are forcing the vaccine on our employees and I have a team member I want to keep around.
His big hangup in (outside of being an otherwise healthy 20-something) is aspirating before injection to ensure the vaccine goes into muscle and not the blood stream. Anyone know of a provider in the Conroe area who can offer this?
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St Hedwig Aggie
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8:31a, 10/30/21
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Wow that first sentence…sad!
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hbtheduce
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8:52a, 10/30/21
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"I want to keep this team member around". Maybe let him decide what he injects into his own body?
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coolerguy12
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9:10a, 10/30/21
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Hope he leaves you high and dry. Maybe you can replace him with a 65 year old that has good reason to get the vaccine.
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Irish 2.0
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9:19a, 10/30/21
How about you offer to help him apply for an exemption?
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In reply to Irish 2.0 • 9:21a, 10/30/21
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Irish 2.0 said:
How about you offer to help him apply for an exemption?


Seriously. If it's because of the government contracts mandate the exceptions are self reported and you can approve it yourself. If your company is doing it on their own then make some noise and push back. Fight for your people rather than fighting your people.
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9:27a, 10/30/21
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He can make whatever decision he wants. The consequences are termination in the very near future, independent of performance or personal belief.

If this aspiration thing is a hurdle I can help him with to keep him gainfully employed, and I can retain up and coming talent, I want to help. Finding effective talent in our business is a challenge, as it has been for many during this mess.
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9:30a, 10/30/21
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Because of his current status and position (temp/contractor), the exemption thing is essentially a no-go.

The process for full time employees seems cumbersome to say the least.
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In reply to javick82 • 9:41a, 10/30/21
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javick82 said:
He can make whatever decision he wants. The consequences are termination in the very near future, independent of performance or personal belief.

If this aspiration thing is a hurdle I can help him with to keep him gainfully employed, and I can retain up and coming talent, I want to help. Finding effective talent in our business is a challenge, as it has been for many during this mess.


And then once you find them you just let them go over BS. Hope he winds up at a competitor and makes them a lot of money.
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In reply to javick82 • 10:31a, 10/30/21
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One- any nurse giving the shot can theoretically do this if he asks them to.

Two- it's not necessary for the type of needle being used and the injection site. There are no arteries in your outside upper arm you can hit with the length of needle being used unless his anatomy is very atypical.
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In reply to pocketrockets06 • 10:34a, 10/30/21
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From the CDC - " Aspiration before injection of vaccines or toxoids (i.e., pulling back on the syringe plunger after needle insertion but before injection) is not necessary because no large blood vessels are present at the recommended injection sites, "

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/acip-recs/general-recs/administration.html
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In reply to javick82 • 10:35a, 10/30/21
javick82 said:
Because of his current status and position (temp/contractor), the exemption thing is essentially a no-go.

The process for full time employees seems cumbersome to say the least.


Offer him a full time position under you and grant an exemption as agreement of his hiring.

I can't stand supervisors that whine about losing employees, but won't fight to maintain them.
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In reply to javick82 • 7:33a, 11/1/21
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javick82 said:
We are forcing the vaccine on our employees and I have a team member I want to keep around.


Imagine reading this sentence 2 years ago....

Wake the **** up.
My pronouns are AFUERA/AHORA!
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9:15a, 11/1/21
Here are a few different perspectives which don't line up the the above CDC's stance.




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9:27a, 11/1/21
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Maybe find him a doctor or nurse willing to inject the vaccine into the trash
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10:04a, 11/1/21
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Maybe I am reading between the lines too much but to me, tone of the OP is that he doesn't agree with the company's stance either, but is trying to find a path based on the employee's main concern.

I work for a company with 20K employees and have absolutely zero say in policy. Obviously we all work at will and can make whatever choice we want in that regard. There is a huge layer of suck in the middle for managers who are subject to policies made far above them.

I am strongly against mandates of any kind. Simply saying some of you bowing up here should consider the possibility that OP might feel the same way and was just looking for input to address the specific concern this employee raised.

If I'm wrong and OP is at a level that could influence this mandate then I agree with most of the sentiment.
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In reply to McKinney Ag • 11:00a, 11/1/21
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His big hangup in (outside of being an otherwise healthy 20-something)

Just glosses over his main issue which is pretty huge to focus on one thing he thinks he can use to coerce him.
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In reply to McKinney Ag • 11:07a, 11/1/21
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Maybe I am reading between the lines too much but to me, tone of the OP is that he doesn't agree with the company's stance either, but is trying to find a path based on the employee's main concern.

I work for a company with 20K employees and have absolutely zero say in policy. Obviously we all work at will and can make whatever choice we want in that regard. There is a huge layer of suck in the middle for managers who are subject to policies made far above them.

I am strongly against mandates of any kind. Simply saying some of you bowing up here should consider the possibility that OP might feel the same way and was just looking for input to address the specific concern this employee raised.

If I'm wrong and OP is at a level that could influence this mandate then I agree with most of the sentiment.


Then offer to write him the most kick @$$ recommendation letter and make sure he finds an alternative.
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12:31p, 11/1/21
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Some of you are amazing. Here is a boss, trying to deal with a mandate put on him and his employees, and he is looking for alternatives for the employee. Already said he will work hard to get him another job if he cannot stay with his company. This guy is literally going to message boards trying to find a way to appease an employee and you are trashing him?

Be mad at the company imposing the requirement, or try and help him so the employee doesn't have to be let go, but don't blame the poor manager trying to hold on to good employees.
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In reply to fightingfarmer09 • 12:32p, 11/1/21
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fightingfarmer09 said:
Redacted said:
Maybe I am reading between the lines too much but to me, tone of the OP is that he doesn't agree with the company's stance either, but is trying to find a path based on the employee's main concern.

I work for a company with 20K employees and have absolutely zero say in policy. Obviously we all work at will and can make whatever choice we want in that regard. There is a huge layer of suck in the middle for managers who are subject to policies made far above them.

I am strongly against mandates of any kind. Simply saying some of you bowing up here should consider the possibility that OP might feel the same way and was just looking for input to address the specific concern this employee raised.

If I'm wrong and OP is at a level that could influence this mandate then I agree with most of the sentiment.


Then offer to write him the most kick @$$ recommendation letter and make sure he finds an alternative.
Read OP's post, he has made such an offer.
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In reply to Aston94 • 1:52p, 11/1/21
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This guy is literally going to message boards trying to find a way to appease coercean employee and you are trashing him?


The way I read it is that this guy clearly doesn't want the shot because he is young and healthy and he has gone through a list of reasons why, with aspiration being on that list. OP decided rather than fight the mandate he would rather fight his employee and try to convince him to do something he doesn't want to do.

The vast majority of people losing their jobs are doing so because their company doesn't want to approve an exemption. As I understand it the federal contracts mandate allows the company to approve exemptions at their own discretion. Would love to see a thread looking for advice on how to put the exemption together instead of complaining about losing good people because they won't fall in line to tyranny
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2:06p, 11/1/21
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"Not necessary" is not the same as "do not" aspirate. My personal physician has no issue with aspirating the needle.
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In reply to coolerguy12 • 5:06p, 11/1/21
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coolerguy12 said:
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This guy is literally going to message boards trying to find a way to appease coercean employee and you are trashing him?


The way I read it is that this guy clearly doesn't want the shot because he is young and healthy and he has gone through a list of reasons why, with aspiration being on that list. OP decided rather than fight the mandate he would rather fight his employee and try to convince him to do something he doesn't want to do.

I think you need to re-read the OP's posts again, he is trying to keep a good employee, and you are projecting this "fight" on him.

Get off your high horse and realize 99% of us are just trying to deal with this crap and not making a "tough guy on the internet" stand on everything.
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In reply to Aston94 • 5:17p, 11/1/21
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Do you honestly think the employee's big hang up with all this is aspiration? If some white knight would come along and figure that out for him then he would happily go get the shot?

OP specifically said "other than being a healthy 20 something". So he is fixated on one thing he thinks he can "fix" when his employee doesn't need or want it fixed. He needs a boss that will find a way for him to get an exemption approved.
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In reply to coolerguy12 • 9:09p, 11/1/21
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coolerguy12 said:
Do you honestly think the employee's big hang up with all this is aspiration? If some white knight would come along and figure that out for him then he would happily go get the shot?

OP specifically said "other than being a healthy 20 something". So he is fixated on one thing he thinks he can "fix" when his employee doesn't need or want it fixed. He needs a boss that will find a way for him to get an exemption approved.
I honestly have no idea what the employee's "big hang up" is. If I were a healthy 20 something I would have not given the vaccine much thought unless an employer required me to have it, then I would have looked at the risk factors and made a decision. Apparently he found this one issue he wanted addressed. Does he have other real issues? Maybe, or maybe unlike you he hasn't really been focused on the vaccine until now. If you are around many 20 somethings the vaccine and Covid doesn't really hit their radar unless they are forced to address via masks, vaccines, etc.

I am not sure how the OP asking a question on a message board dedicated to Covid can be interpreted as he is "fixated" on the one thing. He asked a question seeking an answer for an employee (something I have done many times be it Covid or otherwise) so the employee could make an informed decision.

I think you need to step away from the keyboard and realize there is a world out there where people are not "pro-vaccine" or "anti-vaccine" and are not "fixated" on forcing others to do something against their will. You have not idea if they are going the exemption route, if the employee wants an exemption, or if one is possible, yet you are projecting all this on someone asking a question.

You have no idea what the employee wants or needs, or has asked for, yet you are making assumptions that he sees the vaccine through the same rose colored glasses you do. Those are dangerous assumptions.
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9:33p, 11/1/21
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9:54p, 11/1/21
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The mods should basically delete any post with >10 blue stars, because it's a real hate fest going on in here.

Bunch of people trying to out-project each other.
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9:31p, 11/2/21
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All he has to do is just ask the person giving the shot to do it before pushing the plunger in. I've given a gazillion of these and it isn't that hard to do. It is totally unnecessary, but if it makes him feel better, I'm sure whoever is giving the shot will do it.
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In reply to tomtomdrumdrum • 9:36a, 11/4/21
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tomtomdrumdrum said:
The mods should basically delete any post with >10 blue stars, because it's a real hate fest going on in here.

Bunch of people trying to out-project each other.


Is it hard for you to read the opinions of others that disagree with you?

But now we know there is an answer for our poor OP. He could let his employee go full remote if his company follows the new osha rule.
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