If anyone is interested, here's some compiled Sept 2021 data (when delta peaked) on COVID deaths with lots of breakdown and comparisons.

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/covid19-and-other-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-us/

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COVID-19 was the 2nd leading cause of death in the U.S. in September 2021

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COVID-19 was the number 1 leading cause of death for people ages 35-54 years in September 2021

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COVID-19 killed more people age 25-34, 35-44, and 45-54 in August and in September than it did in any other month prior, despite the widespread availability of vaccines.

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since June 2021 over 90,000 lives likely would have been saved with vaccinations. Most of these preventable deaths occurred in the last month, well after vaccines became available.

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I wonder what the deaths would have been if we hadn't spent well over a year suppressing treatments, in favor of a vaccine. It is unconscionable that government and big tech/media have done everything possible to make sure no one sought early treatment.

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since June 2021 over 90,000 lives likely would have been saved with vaccinations. Most of these preventable deaths occurred in the last month, well after vaccines became available.

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since June 2021 over 90,000 lives likely would have been saved with vaccinations. Most of these preventable deaths occurred in the last month, well after vaccines became available.

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Vaccines are something like 90 to 95% effective at preventing death. Unvaccinated deaths (and hospitalizations) made up anywhere from 85 to 99% at hospitals around the country.

Its only a stretch if you are bad at math or think that everyone is lying.

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I wonder what the deaths would have been if we hadn't spent well over a year suppressing treatments, in favor of a vaccine. It is unconscionable that government and big tech/media have done everything possible to make sure no one sought early treatment.

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Wait, I thought the latest antivaxxer mantra was that "it's a treatment, not a vaccine"?

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Its only a stretch if you are bad at math or think that everyone is lying.

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There were 110,000 deaths due to COIVD per the CDC. We know that other comorbidities and even unintentional injuries/pre-existing illnesses are a contributing factor.

So if you want to claim that 80% of those deaths can be saved through a vaccine that's fine, but you understand how unlikely that actually is.

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I wonder what the deaths would have been if we hadn't spent well over a year suppressing treatments, in favor of a vaccine. It is unconscionable that government and big tech/media have done everything possible to make sure no one sought early treatment.

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Wait, I thought the latest antivaxxer mantra was that "it's a treatment, not a vaccine"?

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Don't know and don't care what the latest mantra is but the monoclonal antibodies were approved for covid before the vaccine came out and no one was pushing them the way they push the vaccines.

"ISSA BIG PHARMA CONSPIRACY!!"

"Monoclonal antibodies are from Regeneron, a 60 billion dollar company"

"OH YEAH? WELL, EXCEPT THEM"

"Ivermectin is from Merck, a 200 billion dollar company."

"STOP POLITICIZING ITS ALL YOUR FAULT AND FAUCIIIIII"

It can't really get more dumb.

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I wonder what the deaths would have been if we hadn't spent well over a year suppressing treatments, in favor of a vaccine. It is unconscionable that government and big tech/media have done everything possible to make sure no one sought early treatment.

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Wait, I thought the latest antivaxxer mantra was that "it's a treatment, not a vaccine"?

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Don't know and don't care what the latest mantra is but the monoclonal antibodies were approved for covid before the vaccine came out and no one was pushing them the way they push the vaccines.

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But monoclonal antibodies have been used, and were never not used? I don't think anyone was ever suppressing it. They even used convalescent plasma. The thing is that monoclonal antibodies really depend on which one you get. Some are better than others, and specifically the polyclonal antibodies seem to be the best.

Also, none of them were approved. They all got emergency use authorization, and I still don't think any have been approved (could be wrong). So, all the people refusing the $40 vaccine because of the EUA are screaming for $1400 antibody therapy that's also under EUA...

But big government is footing the bill, so who cares? I'll get the bill in my taxes in a couple years.

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I wonder what the deaths would have been if we hadn't spent well over a year suppressing treatments, in favor of a vaccine. It is unconscionable that government and big tech/media have done everything possible to make sure no one sought early treatment.

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I guarantee you that they aren't surpressing real treatments. Medicine is built on the concept of the swiss cheese model - it's ideal to have multiple approaches that can solve a problem because ultimately sometimes they won't work. You need vaccines and treatments. But vaccines are the best, most economic, and most effective way to stop a bad outcome so it's completely rational to focus on that. Getting to the point where you need treatment should only happen when vaccination fails in a perfect world. The truth is that virus treatments are always at best mediocre compared to vaccines because they cannot be targetted in the same way that bacteria can. At best treatments only treat the symptoms temporarily, but they don't stop the progression of the illness well at all. It's not some grand conspiracy.

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I wonder what the deaths would have been if we hadn't spent well over a year suppressing treatments, in favor of a vaccine. It is unconscionable that government and big tech/media have done everything possible to make sure no one sought early treatment.

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I guarantee you that they aren't surpressing real treatments. Medicine is built on the concept of the swiss cheese model - it's ideal to have multiple approaches that can solve a problem because ultimately sometimes they won't work. You need vaccines and treatments. But vaccines are the best, most economic, and most effective way to stop a bad outcome so it's completely rational to focus on that. Getting to the point where you need treatment should only happen when vaccination fails in a perfect world. The truth is that virus treatments are always at best mediocre compared to vaccines because they cannot be targetted in the same way that bacteria can. At best treatments only treat the symptoms temporarily, but they don't stop the progression of the illness well at all. It's not some grand conspiracy.

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I can guarantee you are wrong about the suppression but we can agree to disagree. Even our own Dr. Rev had a Facebook post deleted.

None of this excuses vaccine or mask mandates.