https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/10/12/1044553048/covid-data-vaccines-breakthrough-infections-transmission

Of course, science is ever changing, but how about some of y'all quit spreading "fact."

Not peer reviewed, enjoy your confirmation bias opinion article.

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Not peer reviewed, enjoy your confirmation bias opinion article.

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I quite literally used the word "maybe" and admitted that science is ever changing. I simply requested that people stop spreading the "fact" that breakthrough cases are as likely to spread as unvaccinated.

Is there peer reviewed data that says breakthrough cases are as likely to spread as unvaccinated?

Vaccinated. Got it from my vaccinated wife. Who oddly enough has to wear a mask at work (so do all her other co-workers).

When I look for unbiased, peer-reviewed data, I always turn to NPR first and foremost....

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Vaccinated. Got it from my vaccinated wife. Who oddly enough has to wear a mask at work (so do all her other co-workers).

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B/c masks "work"!

Even if this is true, who cares? It doesn't change the fact that both vaccinated and unvaccinated people spread COVID. The demonization of the unvaccinated when both spread the disease is absurd, especially considering other factors like natural immunity.

The people on this board keep looking for the "magic stat" that will finally prove the unvaccinated are idiots and rubes. How about just get your own vaccine and move on with your life. If you're vaxxed, you're protected. Leave the rest of us alone and let everyone live normally.

COVID has officially become more of a psychological disease than a physical one.

I have only one thing to say: dear Vaxxers, remember when you got the shot and thought you could take off you mask? I member, and you can't put that down the memory hole.

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Even if this is true, who cares? It doesn't change the fact that both vaccinated and unvaccinated people spread COVID. The demonization of the unvaccinated when both spread the disease is absurd, especially considering other factors like natural immunity.

The people on this board keep looking for the "magic stat" that will finally prove the unvaccinated are idiots and rubes. How about just get your own vaccine and move on with your life. If you're vaxxed, you're protected. Leave the rest of us alone and let everyone live normally.

COVID has officially become more of a psychological disease than a physical one.

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Because there are people on here saying there is no point to vaccination because you can still get and spread covid just as easily as someone that isn't vaccinated. This is false, as many of the doctors here have said, and now there is research showing it.

Spreading misinformation that the vaccinated are equally susceptible to getting it and spreading it discourages people from getting it. Sure, it's their choice if they want to get it or not, but they shouldn't be given misinformation by people that for some reason are rooting for the vaccine to be a massive failure.

This vaccine saves lives, helps reduce illness severity, and helps minimize your chance of hospitalization. It's not 100%, but neither is wearing a seatbelt or a helmet.

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Spreading misinformation that the vaccinated are equally susceptible to getting it and spreading it discourages people from getting it. Sure, it's their choice if they want to get it or not, but they shouldn't be given misinformation by people that for some reason are rooting for the vaccine to be a massive failure.

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This is what I don't get. Some people have decided that they not only don't want the vaccine but also feel they need to lie about it to discourage others. Why anyone would be rooting for these vaccines to fail is completely beyond me but I guess some people are just spiteful.

Nah. We just want to be left alone

Robin Hood Was A Thief said:

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Nah. We just want to be left alone

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That may be true for you but there are definitely others advocating no one get this "experimental body poison".

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traxter said:

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Spreading misinformation that the vaccinated are equally susceptible to getting it and spreading it discourages people from getting it. Sure, it's their choice if they want to get it or not, but they shouldn't be given misinformation by people that for some reason are rooting for the vaccine to be a massive failure.

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This is what I don't get. Some people have decided that they not only don't want the vaccine but also feel they need to lie about it to discourage others. Why anyone would be rooting for these vaccines to fail is completely beyond me but I guess some people are just spiteful.

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I think that they made their choice for their own version of political reasons borne out of strange conspiracy theories.

I live in the Panhandle. People here don't care if you get it or don't, just like any other vaccine. I'm personally more worried about shingles and so that's my next vaccine. But if somebody wants a Covid vaccine, why would I or anybody care. Mind your own business goes both ways.

WES2006AG said:

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traxter said:

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Spreading misinformation that the vaccinated are equally susceptible to getting it and spreading it discourages people from getting it. Sure, it's their choice if they want to get it or not, but they shouldn't be given misinformation by people that for some reason are rooting for the vaccine to be a massive failure.

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This is what I don't get. Some people have decided that they not only don't want the vaccine but also feel they need to lie about it to discourage others. Why anyone would be rooting for these vaccines to fail is completely beyond me but I guess some people are just spiteful.

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They dont want the vaccines to fail. They want to be left alone.

Pointing out how you sound like an idiot for trying to convince them to take this super safe and effective vaccine that you took 6 months ago while you are still wearing a mask to prevent you from getting it might sound like they are rooting against the vaccine, but it's not.

Facts are facts: The vaccines seem to protect the person vaccinated, not from infection or transmission, but from severe cases, hospitalization, and even death.

If you agree with that, let other people go.

BadMoonRisin said:

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WES2006AG said:

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traxter said:

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Spreading misinformation that the vaccinated are equally susceptible to getting it and spreading it discourages people from getting it. Sure, it's their choice if they want to get it or not, but they shouldn't be given misinformation by people that for some reason are rooting for the vaccine to be a massive failure.

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This is what I don't get. Some people have decided that they not only don't want the vaccine but also feel they need to lie about it to discourage others. Why anyone would be rooting for these vaccines to fail is completely beyond me but I guess some people are just spiteful.

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They dont want the vaccines to fail. They want to be left alone.

Pointing out how you sound like an idiot for trying to convince them to take this super safe and effective vaccine that you took 6 months ago while you still wearing a mask to prevent you from getting it might sound like they are rooting against the vaccine, but it's not.

Facts are facts: The vaccines protect the person vaccinated, not from infection or transmission, but from severe cases, hospitalization, and even death.

If you agree with that, let other people go.

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But, those aren't the facts. That's the problem so many have. Unvaccinated are usually using incorrect reasoning.

Azeotroper said:

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I live in the Panhandle. People here don't care if you get it or don't, just like any other vaccine. I'm personally more worried about shingles and so that's my next vaccine. But if somebody wants a Covid vaccine, why would I or anybody care. Mind your own business goes both ways.

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When I go to the doctor for something like blood tests where I'm not sick, I often ask if they have any vaccines I can take.

Shingles is definitely one I'm interested in.

The masks are kind of strange up here. I hardly ever see masks in my county although there was a spike of them a week or two ago -- at Dollar General and at Alsups. I see them occasionally at the grocery store.

I've worn masks three times in the last three weeks, two were in the grain elevator to reduce dust and the third time was to the school cafeteria when they were giving flu shots. These covid-19 masks really suck at dealing with dust. I'm thinking of just using a bandana next time I need to go to the elevator.

The next to last time I went to the doctor's office, once we were in the examining room, the doctor and I both took off our masks for the examination.

When I go to Dumas, it seems mask are far more prevalent than here although the numbers are decreasing. I haven't see anyone wear a mask at the Big Country Cafe in Dumas, but on the other hand, I stopped at a convenience store in Dumas in July and the doors were locked. Because of covid, it was drive-through only.

I'm thinking of going to Amarillo on Friday to Cavenders, Boot Barn, and to Barnes and Noble. The last time I was in these stores was in June and mask wearing was still pretty common. It will be interesting to see if they have let up much since then.

The last time I was in Amarillo, Furr's was still closed. That doesn't bother me much since I'm not on of their bigger fans anyway. Depending on the time, I may run over to the VFW hall for supper -- they are open to the public six days a week now, Wednesday through Monday, starting at 4 pm for supper. If not, then probably either Wesley's Bean Pot in Amarillo or Big Country Cafe in Dumas.

As for vaccines, at our office, then ones who had the toughest encounters with covid aren't vaccinated.

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BadMoonRisin said:

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WES2006AG said:

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traxter said:

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Spreading misinformation that the vaccinated are equally susceptible to getting it and spreading it discourages people from getting it. Sure, it's their choice if they want to get it or not, but they shouldn't be given misinformation by people that for some reason are rooting for the vaccine to be a massive failure.

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This is what I don't get. Some people have decided that they not only don't want the vaccine but also feel they need to lie about it to discourage others. Why anyone would be rooting for these vaccines to fail is completely beyond me but I guess some people are just spiteful.

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They dont want the vaccines to fail. They want to be left alone.

Pointing out how you sound like an idiot for trying to convince them to take this super safe and effective vaccine that you took 6 months ago while you still wearing a mask to prevent you from getting it might sound like they are rooting against the vaccine, but it's not.

Facts are facts: The vaccines protect the person vaccinated, not from infection or transmission, but from severe cases, hospitalization, and even death.

If you agree with that, let other people go.

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But, those aren't the facts. That's the problem so many have. Unvaccinated are usually using incorrect reasoning.

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If you agree with that, let other people go. why would you care what they do ?

BadMoonRisin said:

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ORAggieFan said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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WES2006AG said:

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traxter said:

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Spreading misinformation that the vaccinated are equally susceptible to getting it and spreading it discourages people from getting it. Sure, it's their choice if they want to get it or not, but they shouldn't be given misinformation by people that for some reason are rooting for the vaccine to be a massive failure.

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This is what I don't get. Some people have decided that they not only don't want the vaccine but also feel they need to lie about it to discourage others. Why anyone would be rooting for these vaccines to fail is completely beyond me but I guess some people are just spiteful.

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They dont want the vaccines to fail. They want to be left alone.

Pointing out how you sound like an idiot for trying to convince them to take this super safe and effective vaccine that you took 6 months ago while you still wearing a mask to prevent you from getting it might sound like they are rooting against the vaccine, but it's not.

Facts are facts: The vaccines protect the person vaccinated, not from infection or transmission, but from severe cases, hospitalization, and even death.

If you agree with that, let other people go.

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But, those aren't the facts. That's the problem so many have. Unvaccinated are usually using incorrect reasoning.

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If you agree with that, let other people go. why would you care what they do ?

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I want them to make decisions based on facts. That's it. Most are making decisions based on fiction and then coming on here trying to use this fiction as arguments against vaccines.

ORAggieFan said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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ORAggieFan said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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WES2006AG said:

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traxter said:

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Spreading misinformation that the vaccinated are equally susceptible to getting it and spreading it discourages people from getting it. Sure, it's their choice if they want to get it or not, but they shouldn't be given misinformation by people that for some reason are rooting for the vaccine to be a massive failure.

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This is what I don't get. Some people have decided that they not only don't want the vaccine but also feel they need to lie about it to discourage others. Why anyone would be rooting for these vaccines to fail is completely beyond me but I guess some people are just spiteful.

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They dont want the vaccines to fail. They want to be left alone.

Pointing out how you sound like an idiot for trying to convince them to take this super safe and effective vaccine that you took 6 months ago while you still wearing a mask to prevent you from getting it might sound like they are rooting against the vaccine, but it's not.

Facts are facts: The vaccines protect the person vaccinated, not from infection or transmission, but from severe cases, hospitalization, and even death.

If you agree with that, let other people go.

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But, those aren't the facts. That's the problem so many have. Unvaccinated are usually using incorrect reasoning.

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If you agree with that, let other people go. why would you care what they do ?

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I want them to make decisions based on facts. That's it. Most are making decisions based on fiction and then coming on here trying to use this fiction as arguments against vaccines.

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I am a healthy 34 year old that already had covid and had a positive antibody test in August.

What facts indicate I should get the vaccine?

Seems like the people not relying on facts are the ones pushing the vaccine on everyone regardless of the individual's situation.

Also that misrepresents our argument, the vast majority of us are against one vaccine, not all vaccines.

BadMoonRisin said:

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ORAggieFan said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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ORAggieFan said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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WES2006AG said:

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traxter said:

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Spreading misinformation that the vaccinated are equally susceptible to getting it and spreading it discourages people from getting it. Sure, it's their choice if they want to get it or not, but they shouldn't be given misinformation by people that for some reason are rooting for the vaccine to be a massive failure.

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This is what I don't get. Some people have decided that they not only don't want the vaccine but also feel they need to lie about it to discourage others. Why anyone would be rooting for these vaccines to fail is completely beyond me but I guess some people are just spiteful.

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They dont want the vaccines to fail. They want to be left alone.

Pointing out how you sound like an idiot for trying to convince them to take this super safe and effective vaccine that you took 6 months ago while you still wearing a mask to prevent you from getting it might sound like they are rooting against the vaccine, but it's not.

Facts are facts: The vaccines protect the person vaccinated, not from infection or transmission, but from severe cases, hospitalization, and even death.

If you agree with that, let other people go.

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But, those aren't the facts. That's the problem so many have. Unvaccinated are usually using incorrect reasoning.

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If you agree with that, let other people go. why would you care what they do ?

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I want them to make decisions based on facts. That's it. Most are making decisions based on fiction and then coming on here trying to use this fiction as arguments against vaccines.

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Well its also a fact that not a single doctor on planet Earth knows what the potential long term effects of this vaccine might be. They cant. They have barely existed for a year.

So people weigh the risks.

Fear is a poor motivator for vaccine adoption for some. Being transparent would be much better.

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What vaccines have long term effects? What are the long term effects of Covid? Long term risk is not a serious argument.

Yet these mandates do not acknowledge that fact. So let's stop pretending pro-vax are operating only on facts while those choosing not to get it are not

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Yet these mandates do not acknowledge that fact. So let's stop pretending pro-vax are operating only on facts while those choosing not to get it are not

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I never pretended that. Mandates are awful. Mandates that don't account for prior infection are anti science.

This thread had nothing to do with mandates. It had to do with breakthrough infections, which caused the anti vax misinformation to show up. I was simply correcting this misinformation. People want to believe that fact based discussion means I lean other ways. Unfollow the science. That's it.

ORAggieFan said:

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DannyDuberstein said:

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Yet these mandates do not acknowledge that fact. So let's stop pretending pro-vax are operating only on facts while those choosing not to get it are not

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I never pretended that. Mandates are awful. Mandates that don't account for prior infection are anti science.

This thread had nothing to do with mandates. It had to do with breakthrough infections, which caused the anti vax misinformation to show up. I was simply correcting this misinformation. People want to believe that fact based discussion means I lean other ways. Unfollow the science. That's it.

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Too many on this board think that you can effectively discuss a single element of Covid in a vacuum. It all ties together. Mandate pushers are pushing the "unvaccinated as unclean" narrative while ignoring breakthrough as a critical tenant within their support base. NPR's purpose here was/is political. If they can differentiate the unvaxed as the problem (whether by hook or by crook or by actual good scientific analysis) - they'll drive that wedge and feel morally superior in doing so.

ORAggieFan said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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ORAggieFan said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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ORAggieFan said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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WES2006AG said:

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traxter said:

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Spreading misinformation that the vaccinated are equally susceptible to getting it and spreading it discourages people from getting it. Sure, it's their choice if they want to get it or not, but they shouldn't be given misinformation by people that for some reason are rooting for the vaccine to be a massive failure.

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This is what I don't get. Some people have decided that they not only don't want the vaccine but also feel they need to lie about it to discourage others. Why anyone would be rooting for these vaccines to fail is completely beyond me but I guess some people are just spiteful.

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They dont want the vaccines to fail. They want to be left alone.

Pointing out how you sound like an idiot for trying to convince them to take this super safe and effective vaccine that you took 6 months ago while you still wearing a mask to prevent you from getting it might sound like they are rooting against the vaccine, but it's not.

Facts are facts: The vaccines protect the person vaccinated, not from infection or transmission, but from severe cases, hospitalization, and even death.

If you agree with that, let other people go.

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But, those aren't the facts. That's the problem so many have. Unvaccinated are usually using incorrect reasoning.

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If you agree with that, let other people go. why would you care what they do ?

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I want them to make decisions based on facts. That's it. Most are making decisions based on fiction and then coming on here trying to use this fiction as arguments against vaccines.

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Well its also a fact that not a single doctor on planet Earth knows what the potential long term effects of this vaccine might be. They cant. They have barely existed for a year.

So people weigh the risks.

Fear is a poor motivator for vaccine adoption for some. Being transparent would be much better.

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What vaccines have long term effects? What are the long term effects of Covid? Long term risk is not a serious argument.

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Reproductive issues in women potentially and cardiovascular issues in men..especially younger.

Blood clots, DVT, etc etc.

And don't pretend that this vaccine is like every other one. It was made and delivered to the market in nine months.

Most were estimating, even if the process was short circuited, it would take 18 months to 3 years to get approved. And even that was a hypothetical, fantasy land type estimate

Myocarditis is a legit reason. But, that's not long term. It's a known short term issue, about 1/5000 in men under 30. That's after the 2nd dose of Moderna. Pfizer and non mRNA J&J have not shown the same. There has been shown to be a way higher rate in that same age group by catching Covid, so it's a weak argument, especially with alternative vaccine options.

Reproductive issues have been shown to be just rumors.

The reason these vaccines came so fast is we had the technology already developed (mRNA) and we stacked the trials at the same time instead of requiring them in sequence. That doesn't change the way they were tested. Really, this was likely the highlight of the Trump Admin, Operation Warp Speed.