Europa protest on mandates

Hundreds of thousands of Europeans have been protesting against vaccine passports every weekend for 3 months and yet there is absolutely nothing about this on the news. Meanwhile, the UK media received £320 million in government advertising revenues.pic.twitter.com/SVdwixbKRm

— James Melville (@JamesMelville) October 13, 2021

My company is based in Texas..my company has federal contracts. My company does not give 2 ****s about Abbott's mandate…Get vaccinated or leave.

"With almost 4100 cases and 500 deaths occurring annually in the United States, bacterial meningitis continues to be a significant source of morbidity and mortality. The annual incidence in the United States is 1.33 cases per 100,000 population."

That's a incidence rate of 0.00133% for the entire US with the death rate being even lower vs a 0.23% death rate for covid. But the vaccination for bacterial meningitis makes sense while a covid vaccine doesn't?

rudy99 said:

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Great news. Give everyone the choice they want to make.

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Under capitalism, businesses should not be able to make their own decisions

Are you in favor of requiring bakers to bake cakes for gay weddings, too?

SoupNazi2001 said:

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I've been in the work force for a long time and never had to show a vaccine record. Private companies have never required this until now. Exceptions are primarily schools and healthcare.

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Never?

I would bet that if you were doing work on certain live viruses such as rabies, being vaccinated to them and maintaining a certain level of immunity would be a requirement for your employment.

nhamp07 said:

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fullback44 said:

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texan12 said:

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Bacterial Meningitis is a legitimate threat to all so I doubt anyone is against that mandate.

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yes, you said the right word, "legitimate" threat, Covid is 99.9 plus percent survivable by the population, Im not sure thats a real legitimate threat to our society...

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Covid has killed 68,154 Texas. This divided by population of 28,995,880 equals 0.23% of total Texans.

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In other words, far worse than polio?

That's more than the total number of paralytic polio cases in the US in its worst year ever. In 1952, there were reportedly 57,897 reported paralytic polio cases in the US and 1,450 deaths from it.

Note that the total number of polio cases were far worse since the vast majority of polio cases did not lead to paralysis.

eric76 said:

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nhamp07 said:

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fullback44 said:

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texan12 said:

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Bacterial Meningitis is a legitimate threat to all so I doubt anyone is against that mandate.

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yes, you said the right word, "legitimate" threat, Covid is 99.9 plus percent survivable by the population, Im not sure thats a real legitimate threat to our society...

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Covid has killed 68,154 Texas. This divided by population of 28,995,880 equals 0.23% of total Texans.

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In other words, far worse than polio?

That's more than the total number of paralytic polio cases in the US in its worst year ever. In 1952, there were reportedly 57,897 reported paralytic polio cases in the US and 1,450 deaths from it.

Note that the total number of polio cases were far worse since the vast majority of polio cases did not lead to paralysis.

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People paralyzed by polio were definitely paralyzed by polio. The number of deaths attributed to covid isn't a certainty since it overwhelmingly kills the oldest, sickest, and least healthy.

GAC06 said:

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eric76 said:

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nhamp07 said:

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fullback44 said:

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texan12 said:

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Bacterial Meningitis is a legitimate threat to all so I doubt anyone is against that mandate.

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yes, you said the right word, "legitimate" threat, Covid is 99.9 plus percent survivable by the population, Im not sure thats a real legitimate threat to our society...

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Covid has killed 68,154 Texas. This divided by population of 28,995,880 equals 0.23% of total Texans.

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In other words, far worse than polio?

That's more than the total number of paralytic polio cases in the US in its worst year ever. In 1952, there were reportedly 57,897 reported paralytic polio cases in the US and 1,450 deaths from it.

Note that the total number of polio cases were far worse since the vast majority of polio cases did not lead to paralysis.

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People paralyzed by polio were definitely paralyzed by polio. The number of deaths attributed to covid isn't a certainty since it overwhelmingly kills the oldest, sickest, and least healthy.

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By that logic, if someone kills your grandfather, that's not so bad because he was old anyway?

No, what you said has nothing at all to do with logic

GAC06 said:

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No, what you said has nothing at all to do with logic

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Logic should tell you that having a comorbidity does not mean that it was the cause of death.

That's why I felt the need to point it out.

GAC06 said:

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You pointed out a ludicrous murder analogy then a strawman.

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Over and over and over again, we keep seeing people pursuing extremely twisted logic that if you have comorbidities, that's what killed them, not covid.

Covid deaths don't matter because the those who die are old or have other comorbidities? That horse**** is exactly the same logic as saying that if someone is old or has other comorbidities, then their deaths don't matter no matter what the cause, including murder.

GAC06 said:

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Please just stop using the word logic

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Why? Because it confuses those who have no concept of logic?

eric76 said:

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GAC06 said:

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Please just stop using the word logic

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Why? Because it confuses those who have no concept of logic?

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You're a prime example of one with no concept of logic. Especially in this instance.

eric76 said:

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GAC06 said:

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eric76 said:

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nhamp07 said:

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fullback44 said:

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texan12 said:

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Bacterial Meningitis is a legitimate threat to all so I doubt anyone is against that mandate.

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yes, you said the right word, "legitimate" threat, Covid is 99.9 plus percent survivable by the population, Im not sure thats a real legitimate threat to our society...

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Covid has killed 68,154 Texas. This divided by population of 28,995,880 equals 0.23% of total Texans.

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In other words, far worse than polio?

That's more than the total number of paralytic polio cases in the US in its worst year ever. In 1952, there were reportedly 57,897 reported paralytic polio cases in the US and 1,450 deaths from it.

Note that the total number of polio cases were far worse since the vast majority of polio cases did not lead to paralysis.

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People paralyzed by polio were definitely paralyzed by polio. The number of deaths attributed to covid isn't a certainty since it overwhelmingly kills the oldest, sickest, and least healthy.

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By that logic, if someone kills your grandfather, that's not so bad because he was old anyway?

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LOL, my goodness.

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eric76 said:

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GAC06 said:

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Please just stop using the word logic

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Why? Because it confuses those who have no concept of logic?

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You're a prime example of one with no concept of logic. Especially in this instance.

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So while it is a big loss if someone murders your grandfather, if he gets covid and dies from it, the loss is somehow less? Like, "It's okay. He had covid. Let's go fishing."

eric76 is to logic as

A. Fauci is to baseball
B. Biden is to continence
C. Bill Clinton is to fidelity
D. All of the above

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eric76 is to logic as

A. Fauci is to baseball
B. Biden is to continence
C. Bill Clinton is to fidelity
D. All of the above

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But to Eric's defense here, it seems to have worked as no one has actually deconstructed his statement. Instead, they went all F16 and started attacking him personally. The Ad Hominem fallacy is not a proper defense in any walk of life.

Most debate moderators would have awarded him a few points and knocked down the score of team F16 here.

Tips for actually refuting his text for the future

https://www.thoughtco.com/reductio-ad-absurdum-argument-1691903

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Walter Sinnott-Armstrong and Robert Fogelin

• "[A] reductio ad absurdum argument tries to show that one claim, X, is false because it implies another claim Y, that is absurd. To evaluate such an argument, the following questions should be asked:
  1. Is Y really absurd?
  2. Does X really imply Y?
  3. Can X be modified in some minor way so that it no longer implies Y? If either of the first two questions is answered in the negative, then the reductio fails; if the third question receives an affirmative answer, then the reductio is shallow. Otherwise, the reductio ad absurdum argument is both successful and deep."
  (Understanding Arguments: An Introduction to Informal Logic, 8th ed. Wadsworth, 2010)

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For instance, you could have pointed out that his introduction of the concept of murder changed the context completely and introduced a whole other debate not relevant to what is specifically being discussed here.

You could have pointed out subsequently that the larger world and our legal system does indeed put different economic values on life based on human capital, expected lifespan, and other factors.

You could have pointed out that our legal system actually does have different gradients of murder with different implications for sentencing.

But you just called him stupid.

Excellent news:

The Federal Court of Appeals that covers Texas issued a ruling tonight that blocks Biden's COVID vaccine mandate for businesses.

Employees don't have to choose between a job or a jab.https://t.co/KKCwFmvtWL

— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) November 13, 2021

Great news.

OSHA Suspends Enforcement of Biden’s Vaccine Mandate

Texans shouldn't be forced to choose between their livelihood & a vaccine.

My Order prohibiting vaccine mandates by any entity still stands.https://t.co/2J3tHVXjuD

— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) November 17, 2021