Hospital outbreak of COVID among a highly vaccinated population

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G. hirsutum Ag said:

CowtownEng said:

G. hirsutum Ag said:

Jabin said:

G. hirsutum Ag said:

Because the unvaccinated group of 90 year olds had 233 severe infections out of 100,000 people. That's 0.2% of the most at risk group according to your data. And according to the data as presented those in that column have no protection. Just making sure we are all on the same page here
I'm sorry, I am just being slow. Must've stayed up too late last night watching the game.

I still don't understand what you mean either in your original or your following post. What exactly do you mean by those 90 or over having no protection? The chart doesn't say anything about any protections that any of the individuals had, other than vaccinations. My surmise is that 90s may be more protected than younger people these days in assisted living and nursing homes. That might be why their percentages are better than those just younger than them.



This chart right here shows that unvaccinated 90 year olds have the highest death rate out of anyone. Correct? 233.4 is the highest number on that chart. That 233.4 number represents the highest risk group because they are the oldest and they have not been vaccinated. We have been told that the only proven treatment for Covid is the vaccine. Masks aren't working, social distancing is impossible. Get the shot and you won't die from Covid is what we have been told time and again. And if you get Covid go to the hospital for treatment. So the most at risk group health wise, while probably not taking the most risks with daily living, have the highest possible death rate according to this graph.

You are looking at how much the vaccines reduce severe number of cases. Which you're right. They do. I'm looking at how many total severe cases there were in the worst case scenario. So according to this the worst case scenario is 233.4/100,000 people get severely sick from Covid which is 99.8% of cases did not get severely sick. Not sure if I can explain what I mean any better than that


That's not what the data means.

The case rate is a snapshot in time that is scaled for easy reference amongst the various bins of the histogram. The unit in the table is per 100k people, not per 100k infections.


That's correct. And 234 out of 100,000 is 99.8 of the population according to the most at risk data group have had no serious complications or have been completely unaffected by Covid. Data can mean more than one thing. Yes the purpose of this graph is to show improvements in severe cases using the shot. But it also tells a different story


I don't disagree that data can tell multiple stories.
I also agree that the risk of severe covid is quite low for many people.

That being said, it's also important to consider the time frame involved in the calculated rates. The number noted above (234 out of 100,000) is only for a finite duration of time. I didnt see this included on the table, I assume this is a weekly rate?

The cumulative rate of severe cases since the start of the pandemic is a much larger number.
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CowtownEng said:

G. hirsutum Ag said:

CowtownEng said:

G. hirsutum Ag said:

Jabin said:

G. hirsutum Ag said:

Because the unvaccinated group of 90 year olds had 233 severe infections out of 100,000 people. That's 0.2% of the most at risk group according to your data. And according to the data as presented those in that column have no protection. Just making sure we are all on the same page here
I'm sorry, I am just being slow. Must've stayed up too late last night watching the game.

I still don't understand what you mean either in your original or your following post. What exactly do you mean by those 90 or over having no protection? The chart doesn't say anything about any protections that any of the individuals had, other than vaccinations. My surmise is that 90s may be more protected than younger people these days in assisted living and nursing homes. That might be why their percentages are better than those just younger than them.



This chart right here shows that unvaccinated 90 year olds have the highest death rate out of anyone. Correct? 233.4 is the highest number on that chart. That 233.4 number represents the highest risk group because they are the oldest and they have not been vaccinated. We have been told that the only proven treatment for Covid is the vaccine. Masks aren't working, social distancing is impossible. Get the shot and you won't die from Covid is what we have been told time and again. And if you get Covid go to the hospital for treatment. So the most at risk group health wise, while probably not taking the most risks with daily living, have the highest possible death rate according to this graph.

You are looking at how much the vaccines reduce severe number of cases. Which you're right. They do. I'm looking at how many total severe cases there were in the worst case scenario. So according to this the worst case scenario is 233.4/100,000 people get severely sick from Covid which is 99.8% of cases did not get severely sick. Not sure if I can explain what I mean any better than that


That's not what the data means.

The case rate is a snapshot in time that is scaled for easy reference amongst the various bins of the histogram. The unit in the table is per 100k people, not per 100k infections.


That's correct. And 234 out of 100,000 is 99.8 of the population according to the most at risk data group have had no serious complications or have been completely unaffected by Covid. Data can mean more than one thing. Yes the purpose of this graph is to show improvements in severe cases using the shot. But it also tells a different story


I don't disagree that data can tell multiple stories.
I also agree that the risk of severe covid is quite low for many people.

That being said, it's also important to consider the time frame involved in the calculated rates. The number noted above (234 out of 100,000) is only for a finite duration of time. I didnt see this included on the table, I assume this is a weekly rate?

The cumulative rate of severe cases since the start of the pandemic is a much larger number.


For my county in Texas against the general population, 13.5% of the total county has had a positive test and 2.3% of those infected have passed away since the beginning of Covid tracking. Meaning if you look at total population 99.7% of the county population has survived relatively unscathed and currently 99.87% of the population is healthy. Not sure what our vaccination rates are but I'm sure they are low. County population 96k
 
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