Asymptotic transmission?

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Is a perfectly healthy person somehow a viral threat?

Dr. Peter McCullough, MD, MPH, FACC, FAHA, is probably the foremost expert in the world today on the pandemic response and the most cited doctor in the National Library of Medicine. He stated recently:

The virus is not spread asymptomatically. Only sick people give it to other people. September 20th, 2021; interview, Gab TV, 6:32

One of the world's most renowned immunologists agrees:

…it was the crowning of stupidity to claim that someone could have COVID-19 without any symptoms at all or even to pass the disease along without showing any symptoms whatsoever. Professor Beda M. Stadler, PhD, former director of the Institute for Immunology at the University of Bern in Switzerland; Weltwoche (World Week) on June 8th, 2020; cf. worldhealth.net

The former Vice President and a Chief Scientist of vaccine manufacturer Pfizer, no less, flatly states that such a premise is a complete fabrication.

"Asymptomatic transmission: the concept a perfectly well person can represent a respiratory virus threat to another person; that was invented about a year ago never been mentioned before in the industry… It's not possible to have a body full of respiratory virus to the point that you're an infectious source and for you not to have symptoms… It's not true that people without symptoms are a strong respiratory virus threat." Dr. Mike Yeadon, April 11th, 2021, interview on The Last American Vagabond

Recent studies confirm that asymptomatic transmission is simply rare if ever.[1] Hence it follows that masking the healthy,[2] social distancing, and locking down entire healthy populations rather than focused health protocols and quarantining the sick, have little basis in science.


1. "A randomized controlled trial (RCT) of 246 participants [123 (50%) symptomatic)] who were allocated to either wearing or not wearing surgical facemask, assessing viruses transmission including coronavirus. The results of this study showed that among symptomatic individuals (those with fever, cough, sore throat, runny nose etc…) there was no difference between wearing and not wearing a facemask for coronavirus droplets transmission of particles of >5 m. Among asymptomatic individuals, there was no droplets or aerosols coronavirus detected from any participant with or without the mask, suggesting that asymptomatic individuals do not transmit or infect other people." (Leung N.H.L., Chu D.K.W., Shiu E.Y.C., Chan K.H., McDevitt J.J., Hau B.J.P. "Respiratory virus shedding in exhaled breath and efficacy of face masks." Nat Med. 2020;26:676680. [PubMed] [Google Scholar] [Ref list])

This was further supported by a study on infectivity where 445 asymptomatic individuals were exposed to asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 carrier (been positive for SARS-CoV-2) using close contact (shared quarantine space) for a median of 4 to 5 days. The study found that none of the 445 individuals was infected with SARS-CoV-2 confirmed by real-time reverse transcription polymerase.(Gao M., Yang L., Chen X., Deng Y., Yang S., Xu H. "A study on infectivity of asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 carriers". Respir Med. 2020;169 [PMC free article] [PubMed] [Google Scholar] [Ref list]).

A JAMA Network Open study found that asymptomatic transmission is not a primary driver of infection within households. (December 14th, 2020; jamanetwork.com)

A massive study of nearly 10 million people was published on November 20th, 2020 in the prestigious Nature Communications: "All city residents aged six years or older were eligible and 9,899,828 (92.9%) participated… There were no positive tests amongst 1,174 close contacts of asymptomatic cases… Virus cultures were negative for all asymptomatic positive and repositive cases, indicating no "viable virus" in positive cases detected in this study." "Post-lockdown SARS-CoV-2 nucleic acid screening in nearly ten million residents of Wuhan, China", Shiyi Cao, Yong Gan et. al, nature.com.

And in April 2021, the CDC published a study that concluded: "We observed no transmission from asymptomatic case-patients and highest SAR through presymptomatic exposure." "Analysis of Asymptomatic and Presymptomatic Transmission in SARS-CoV-2 Outbreak, Germany, 2020", cdc.gov
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Not a virologist but it is interesting how Covid has been positioned as not following the rules, laws and understanding of virtually every other virus. Just b/c it's "novel" doesn't allow it to have evolved into something that doesn't exist. I have always felt so much of the rhetoric out there has been geared to scare enough people into mitigating b/c the medical community believes that more truthful insight might not persuade enough people to follow the rules. And not with eveil intent, just a fear that if too much info is out there, people won't be diligent enough. So the strategy was to overstate the danger to get the most to follow mitigation. Except once the truth is out, it makes those "experts" look like liars and not truly after our best interests. Its the risk that comes with the desire to try to limit the spread.

The real question boils down to whether any of this really limited the spread or not.
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Imagine my disappointment when this thread discussed NO mathematics
Duncan Idaho
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This has been covered 100 times.
Asymptomatic transmission does not seem to be a thing.

Presymptomatic is very much and documented thing.

I have no idea what ol' Pete's motivations are but I couldn't trust him less when it comes to covid, even of he were a dermatologist that said "covid is over " more than 400,000 deaths ago.
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The article the OP copypasta'd this from ends with....
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That the Church is a party to this by virtue of her silence and/or complicit agreement, is not only grievous to many of us but the cost can literally be counted in lost and destroyed lives.

Please, dear shepherds, reject this new holocaust in the name of truth and science.


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Duncan Idaho said:

This has been covered 100 times.
Asymptomatic transmission does not seem to be a thing.

Presymptomatic is very much and documented thing.

I have no idea what ol' Pete's motivations are but I couldn't trust him less when it comes to covid, even of he were a dermatologist that said "covid is over " more than 400,000 deaths ago.


ol' Pete's been saying we should act responsibly and recognize that overreacting to the virus leads to many other negative effects.

ol' Pete's been talking in ways that make it clear he either 1) doesn't financially gain from mass vaccination regardless of necessity, or 2) puts public health over his own financial gain

Why don't you give us a guess at ol' Pete's motivations from your perspective?
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Duncan is correct on this.

How many times have we heard "I thought it was allergies" in pre-symptomatic patients that end up starting small outbreaks?

I do agree with him that asymptomatic people who test + are likely recovered sometime in the last 90 days and just shedding viral particles- essentially a false positive. This is why testing to prove resolution is not recommended.

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KidDoc said:

Duncan is correct on this.

How many times have we heard "I thought it was allergies" in pre-symptomatic patients that end up starting small outbreaks?

I do agree with him that asymptomatic people who test + are likely recovered sometime in the last 90 days and just shedding viral particles- essentially a false positive. This is why testing to prove resolution is not recommended.


wouldn't there have to be symptoms of some sort for someone to believe "it was allergies"?
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KidDoc said:

Duncan is correct on this.

How many times have we heard "I thought it was allergies" in pre-symptomatic patients that end up starting small outbreaks?

I do agree with him that asymptomatic people who test + are likely recovered sometime in the last 90 days and just shedding viral particles- essentially a false positive. This is why testing to prove resolution is not recommended.


But wouldnt allergy symptoms be...you know, symptoms?
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Vaccinated Asymptomatic High Viral Load in Sinus has been measured can be contagious.

true Asymptomatic Unvaccinated have low viral load that isn't considered effectively contagious
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waitwhat? said:

Duncan Idaho said:

This has been covered 100 times.
Asymptomatic transmission does not seem to be a thing.

Presymptomatic is very much and documented thing.

I have no idea what ol' Pete's motivations are but I couldn't trust him less when it comes to covid, even of he were a dermatologist that said "covid is over " more than 400,000 deaths ago.


ol' Pete's been saying we should act responsibly and recognize that overreacting to the virus leads to many other negative effects.

ol' Pete's been talking in ways that make it clear he either 1) doesn't financially gain from mass vaccination regardless of necessity, or 2) puts public health over his own financial gain

Why don't you give us a guess at ol' Pete's motivations from your perspective?
He was pointing out that asymptomatic and presymptomatic are not the same thing.

Even Fauci said that asymptomatic spread of respiratory diseases is not seen: "In all the history of respiratory-borne viruses of any type, asymptomatic transmission has never been the driver of outbreaks. The driver of outbreaks is ALWAYS a symptomatic person."

Covid is hardly alone in the ability to spread the disease prior to the onset of symptoms. Others would include the Flu and RSV.
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I tested positive before I had any recognizable symptoms of COVID in July of 2020. My wife had symptoms, my symptoms showed up the day after testing (a day before the results came back). And I assumed then it was probably allergies.

I only had a head cold and did not lose my sense of taste or smell. My wife had all the symptoms for a week.
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BadMoonRisin said:

KidDoc said:

Duncan is correct on this.

How many times have we heard "I thought it was allergies" in pre-symptomatic patients that end up starting small outbreaks?

I do agree with him that asymptomatic people who test + are likely recovered sometime in the last 90 days and just shedding viral particles- essentially a false positive. This is why testing to prove resolution is not recommended.


But wouldnt allergy symptoms be...you know, symptoms?


Most people don't consider a runny nose, a few sneezes, or a light headache symptoms. One thing that really struck me during the early parts of COVID was that I didn't wake up feeling like crap every few weeks. Then I realized that was probably my body fighting off something small and I would have never even registered it as "sick".
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jopatura said:

BadMoonRisin said:

KidDoc said:

Duncan is correct on this.

How many times have we heard "I thought it was allergies" in pre-symptomatic patients that end up starting small outbreaks?

I do agree with him that asymptomatic people who test + are likely recovered sometime in the last 90 days and just shedding viral particles- essentially a false positive. This is why testing to prove resolution is not recommended.


But wouldnt allergy symptoms be...you know, symptoms?


Most people don't consider a runny nose, a few sneezes, or a light headache symptoms. One thing that really struck me during the early parts of COVID was that I didn't wake up feeling like crap every few weeks. Then I realized that was probably my body fighting off something small and I would have never even registered it as "sick".
That's my point. These people aren't "presymptomatic". They have symptoms, they just dont consider that it could be COVID.
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BadMoonRisin said:

jopatura said:

BadMoonRisin said:

KidDoc said:

Duncan is correct on this.

How many times have we heard "I thought it was allergies" in pre-symptomatic patients that end up starting small outbreaks?

I do agree with him that asymptomatic people who test + are likely recovered sometime in the last 90 days and just shedding viral particles- essentially a false positive. This is why testing to prove resolution is not recommended.


But wouldnt allergy symptoms be...you know, symptoms?


Most people don't consider a runny nose, a few sneezes, or a light headache symptoms. One thing that really struck me during the early parts of COVID was that I didn't wake up feeling like crap every few weeks. Then I realized that was probably my body fighting off something small and I would have never even registered it as "sick".
That's my point. These people aren't "presymptomatic". They have symptoms, they just dont consider that it could be COVID.


In the beginning, these were the people telling contact tracers they had no symptoms because they couldn't fathom what little symptoms they did have was COVID, especially if they got the call two-three weeks later that they had been exposed by someone they originally exposed.
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There were a bunch of posters here that would say something along the lines of "I had covid. It was a nothing burger. No symptoms other than losing my smell and taste for a week/headache for 2 days/some other symptoms"
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