Can anyone coherently justify why I should vax having recovered two weeks ago (4 weeks since positive test)?
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You probably shouldn't have it this soon. It would be much better to let your natural immunity do its thing now, and then supplement with a vaccine down the road. Hard to say how soon that would be, but I wouldn't think now is the answer.
Best answer you will get is vaccine is easier to track.
Why we need to track it is another question. But the official narrative is that you need to be tracked.
Why we need to track it is another question. But the official narrative is that you need to be tracked.
coolerguy12 said:
Best answer you will get is vaccine is easier to track.
Why we need to track it is another question. But the official narrative is that you need to be tracked.
agwrestler said:
Can anyone coherently justify why I should vax having recovered two weeks ago (4 weeks since positive test)?
If we're going to encounter it for the rest of our lives (likely) having a stronger, more durable immune response is definitely very beneficial. Getting a vaccine like Moderna will definitely give you a very robust immune response at whatever COVID throws at you next. Basically there is no downside to taking the vaccine except for imagined fears and bs. So I definitely would anyways. Maybe give it a few more weeks. I do think you probably have a robust immune response, particularly right now... But if there's only a lifetime of upside to getting a ****ing shot, then you should probably just man up and do it.
The biggest upside is definitely for people that have not had COVID-19 YET. And a lot of people that think they have had COVID have not. Particularly common amoungst F16 posters who have many times tried to one up each other with how early they totally caught it. "Oh yeah I definitely caught something really bad in November of 2019- just didn't know what it was at the time" kinda bs. Everybody has had COVID-19 according to them and it's pretty clear by this summer wave that a lot of people hadn't.
The answer to the OP question is no. There is no coherent reason to get vaccinated two weeks after recovery.
Gordo14 said:agwrestler said:
Can anyone coherently justify why I should vax having recovered two weeks ago (4 weeks since positive test)?
If we're going to encounter it for the rest of our lives (likely) having a stronger, more durable immune response is definitely very beneficial. Getting a vaccine like Moderna will definitely give you a very robust immune response at whatever COVID throws at you next. Basically there is no downside to taking the vaccine except for imagined fears and bs. So I definitely would anyways. Maybe give it a few more weeks. I do think you probably have a robust immune response, particularly right now... But if there's only a lifetime of upside to getting a ****ing shot, then you should probably just man up and do it.
The biggest upside is definitely for people that have not had COVID-19 YET. And a lot of people that think they have had COVID have not. Particularly common amoungst F16 posters who have many times tried to one up each other with how early they totally caught it. "Oh yeah I definitely caught something really bad in November of 2019- just didn't know what it was at the time" kinda bs. Everybody has had COVID-19 according to them and it's pretty clear by this summer wave that a lot of people hadn't.
I thought the summer wave was due to a new strain. That scenario is plausible because the surge is too far removed from the lifting of restrictions to be attributed to unvaccinated only.
Back to the original question, how is the vaccination going to give my body more immunity than it already has (especially if I likely just had the latest mutation). I need an explanation from a biological (didn't want to use the S word) point of view.
I haven't heard of many stories of people with "mild" cases ending up in the hospital.
Until we see huge numbers of folks that had a extremely mild case then the evidence is strong enough that the immunity still is conveyed regardless of the severity of the case.
Repeated minor cases are not a concern.
Until we see huge numbers of folks that had a extremely mild case then the evidence is strong enough that the immunity still is conveyed regardless of the severity of the case.
Repeated minor cases are not a concern.
Gordo14 said:agwrestler said:
Can anyone coherently justify why I should vax having recovered two weeks ago (4 weeks since positive test)?
If we're going to encounter it for the rest of our lives (likely) having a stronger, more durable immune response is definitely very beneficial. Getting a vaccine like Moderna will definitely give you a very robust immune response at whatever COVID throws at you next. Basically there is no downside to taking the vaccine except for imagined fears and bs. So I definitely would anyways. Maybe give it a few more weeks. I do think you probably have a robust immune response, particularly right now... But if there's only a lifetime of upside to getting a ****ing shot, then you should probably just man up and do it.
The biggest upside is definitely for people that have not had COVID-19 YET. And a lot of people that think they have had COVID have not. Particularly common amoungst F16 posters who have many times tried to one up each other with how early they totally caught it. "Oh yeah I definitely caught something really bad in November of 2019- just didn't know what it was at the time" kinda bs. Everybody has had COVID-19 according to them and it's pretty clear by this summer wave that a lot of people hadn't.
So no actual science supporting it. "Just cause."
No. They cant.agwrestler said:
Can anyone coherently justify why I should vax having recovered two weeks ago (4 weeks since positive test)?
I think this article in The Hill is a good place to begin reading. I'm not sure that most people on this board are qualified to give you this information.
Unless you were hospitalized the first time and had a very severe case, the data overwhelmingly suggests you will either not get Covid again -but if you do - it will be a mild case.
I know when Im seeking the opinion of medical professionals on which course I should take for my well being, The Hill, is the first place I visit. And because they use the qualifier that natural immunity is "kind of" irrelevant in the headline is the signal of confidence that I am looking for!cc_ag92 said:
I think this article in The Hill is a good place to begin reading. I'm not sure that most people on this board are qualified to give you this information.
No opinions there, no xir. Only fax.
Most people on this board understand data and have common sense…. mostcc_ag92 said:
I think this article in The Hill is a good place to begin reading. I'm not sure that most people on this board are qualified to give you this information.
ttha_aggie_09 said:Most people on this board understand data and have common sense…. mostcc_ag92 said:
I think this article in The Hill is a good place to begin reading. I'm not sure that most people on this board are qualified to give you this information.
But do they know how to click the links in an article that lead to studies and data? It seems not based on the responses I've received already. It's perplexing.
or maybe we're all just way ahead of the curve because we've been following the studies this whole damn time and not waiting for some partisan rag to put out an article that tells me natural immunity "kind of" works….cc_ag92 said:
But do they know how to click the links in an article that lead to studies and data? It seems not based on the responses I've received already. It's perplexing.
Okay, most on Texags?
Perhaps the OP would like to click some links and read for himself. Of course, the way he wrote his question leads one to believe he doesn't want to actually do that, so I'm not sure why I bothered. Y'all carry on.
This topic has been covered several times on this board and the best information can be found by a couple of searches on "Covid reinfection" or "reinfection studies" online. You can dive in as long as you want and read every study that's been published out there, without having to go through a BS opinion article.
If the OP or you or anyone else wants to get vaccinated - I don't give a damn. If you think that's the best choice to mitigate your risks, great! I couldn't care less if people take this approach but I do have a major problem with the lack of consideration or even acknowledgement of Natural Immunity by many in Healthcare and Government.
If the OP or you or anyone else wants to get vaccinated - I don't give a damn. If you think that's the best choice to mitigate your risks, great! I couldn't care less if people take this approach but I do have a major problem with the lack of consideration or even acknowledgement of Natural Immunity by many in Healthcare and Government.
ttha_aggie_09 said:
Okay, most on Texags?
cc_ag92 said:
Perhaps the OP would like to click some links and read for himself. Of course, the way he wrote his question leads one to believe he doesn't want to actually do that, so I'm not sure why I bothered. Y'all carry on.
OK made it through that article and realized how the concept of "reduced immunity" is even remotely valid. If you are vaccinated OR Covid Positive with a functioning immune system, you're producing antibodies as long as the virus or spike proteins are in your body. Once your system eliminates the foreign bits, "active" antibodies are around for a while (3-9 months maybe). This is why people can get Covid again, but recover much faster. The system already has the "blueprints" for antibodies, and takes a few days to ramp up production.
Perhaps spike proteins from the vaccine stick around a little longer than the virus does with the typical 2 weeks. Therefore the tests and re-infection statistics would show longer antibody presence. This leads to the Hills incorrect conclusion the vaccine is better than the "irrelevant" natural immunity.
The booster shots just maintain artificial infection so active antibodies are already available. Once you stop taking boosters and antibodies are no longer active, the immunity is equivalent to natural immunity.
There was an article on npr a few weeks ago about studies that have shown that people who have had covid and then were vaccinated with one of the mrna vaccines developed a super immunity of sorts. The article talks about how these people produced very high levels of antibodies that also worked against several different variants and also other SARS viruses. It's pretty interesting!
Very reasoned and well articulated response. HE makes fantastic points that have bothered me from the very beginning with this. We are all different. We have different health conditions, issues, fitness levels and are not all the exact same. The idea that all people must be treated the exact same is ridiculous and goes against medical science. I took the vaccine b/c I felt personally it gave me an advantage as I am on an immunosuppressant. But I also know that given my fitness level and age, I am very unlikely to have any adverse reactions to the virus.SoupNazi2001 said:
This NBA player gives a more logical, coherent response than Fauci or anyone at the CDC.This is a calm, intelligent, respectful statement as to why @JJudahIsaac is hesitant about getting the Covid vaccine. Instead of screaming at those who are still figuring it out, listen to his response. pic.twitter.com/Q1xMLw8boX
— Janice Dean (@JaniceDean) September 28, 2021
In the end, the whole "take the vaccine to protect the other guy" thing just doesn't work. What works is people analyzing their own personal situations, health and comfort levels. And yes, factoring in those around you is part of your personal "situation". Look, this is why capitalism works. Greed IS good. B/c the system works when people make decisions financially for themselves and their families. With the best interests of themselves and families first. Vaccinations will be more widely accepted when we move away from pushing it forcefully on others and instead give people a chance to research and make the best decision for themselves. And yes, this could result in minor spikes that fill hospitals. But they too will adjust to the situation and find a way not to be as threatened to be overrun. The market always adjusts. But in the end, it is completely not right to expect others to be forced to make medical choices for themselves or their families that they are not comfortable with, within reason.
I'm not a doctor, and I know my opinion won't matter to anybody, but the reason I can see for getting the vaccine for *some people* would be that each infection is very individual. Some people get covid and it's just a big nothing-burger. They didn't really get very sick at all. That *probably* means they weren't exposed to a big viral load, so their body didn't need to mount a big response to it. Therefore, they may not have as much immunity as they might think they have.
Someone else might have gotten a really bad case and fought it off eventually. They might have a lot of immunity resulting from their infection.
I'm not a believer in mandates, and I don't care whether anyone gets vaccinated, but I can see how a lot of people may *think* they have immunity but they really don't.
Getting the vaccine provides a standard level of protection. It's a uniform amount and studies have shown that it produces enough antibodies to give some level of protection against serious illness.
I've mentioned before my friend who is in her late 30s, healthy, skinny. She got covid back in January - mild case, no biggy. BUT, a couple of months ago her whole family got it again, and this time she was VERY sick and it lasted a lot longer.
Of course, that's just an anecdote, so take it for what it's worth, but I point it out because her case surprised me and several others at our church. We all thought if you had it once you were immune.
Someone else might have gotten a really bad case and fought it off eventually. They might have a lot of immunity resulting from their infection.
I'm not a believer in mandates, and I don't care whether anyone gets vaccinated, but I can see how a lot of people may *think* they have immunity but they really don't.
Getting the vaccine provides a standard level of protection. It's a uniform amount and studies have shown that it produces enough antibodies to give some level of protection against serious illness.
I've mentioned before my friend who is in her late 30s, healthy, skinny. She got covid back in January - mild case, no biggy. BUT, a couple of months ago her whole family got it again, and this time she was VERY sick and it lasted a lot longer.
Of course, that's just an anecdote, so take it for what it's worth, but I point it out because her case surprised me and several others at our church. We all thought if you had it once you were immune.
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agwrestler said:
Can anyone coherently justify why I should vax having recovered two weeks ago (4 weeks since positive test)?
More robust immunity. You'll N- natural antibody, T-Cell and B-Cell memory, plus the Spike S-antibodies from the vaccine.
Natural immunity is probably enough for 99% of people under 50 but if you want a even more robust immunity get the vaccine additionally. That's what I did.
Have had zero side effects. I was like you. Wasn't planning on getting the vaccine until better data was available since I already had natural immunity. I waited a full year after I recovered from covid before I got the vaccine.
How could you possibly know this for certain? Also, tell this to the small minority of people that have had serious adverse reactions, or the significant number of women complaining about it altering their menstruation cycles. No need to speak in absolutes, it is helping a lot of people avoid severe Covid reactions, but we do not know that there is no downside to taking it, even if the risk is miniscule.Gordo14 said:agwrestler said:
Can anyone coherently justify why I should vax having recovered two weeks ago (4 weeks since positive test)?
If we're going to encounter it for the rest of our lives (likely) having a stronger, more durable immune response is definitely very beneficial. Getting a vaccine like Moderna will definitely give you a very robust immune response at whatever COVID throws at you next. Basically there is no downside to taking the vaccine except for imagined fears and bs. So I definitely would anyways. Maybe give it a few more weeks. I do think you probably have a robust immune response, particularly right now... But if there's only a lifetime of upside to getting a ****ing shot, then you should probably just man up and do it.
The biggest upside is definitely for people that have not had COVID-19 YET. And a lot of people that think they have had COVID have not. Particularly common amoungst F16 posters who have many times tried to one up each other with how early they totally caught it. "Oh yeah I definitely caught something really bad in November of 2019- just didn't know what it was at the time" kinda bs. Everybody has had COVID-19 according to them and it's pretty clear by this summer wave that a lot of people hadn't.
"There is no downside to thalidomide, it's perfectly safe!"
To a certain political party, he is an outright heretic, along with several other high profile healthy young athletes saying the same things.SoupNazi2001 said:
This NBA player gives a more logical, coherent response than Fauci or anyone at the CDC.This is a calm, intelligent, respectful statement as to why @JJudahIsaac is hesitant about getting the Covid vaccine. Instead of screaming at those who are still figuring it out, listen to his response. pic.twitter.com/Q1xMLw8boX
— Janice Dean (@JaniceDean) September 28, 2021
Motracicletraficificker said:agwrestler said:
Can anyone coherently justify why I should vax having recovered two weeks ago (4 weeks since positive test)?
More robust immunity. You'll N- natural antibody, T-Cell and B-Cell memory, plus the Spike S-antibodies from the vaccine.
I plan to get the vaccine even though I am actually still recovering from COVID pneumonia, although I am not planning to get it for a few months.
That said, why would I not already have the Spike S-antibodies? The disease produces those spike proteins, right? So what am I getting from the vaccine that I don't already have from having had COVID (and a severe case, at that)?
What am I missing?
There is no justification. None
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