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6:48a, 9/30/21
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Considering all the vaccine mandates being pushed, and people losing their jobs over not being vaccinated...

Is a person who is unvaccinated today less safe than he or she was a year ago?

Are the people around an unvaccinated person more or less safe than they were a year ago?
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7:05a, 9/30/21
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I would argue an unvaccinated person is safer now than last year, but there are too many variables that make it difficult to prove.

- higher mobility than last year
- higher levels of natural immunity and vaccine immunity
- better treatment options and understanding
- mask theater (it is a variable even if negligible) is mostly over
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
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In reply to Dad-O-Lot • 7:15a, 9/30/21
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I would say safer.

Lots of people have been vaccinated or have natural immunity from recovery.
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8:05a, 9/30/21
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I think a better question is "are the obese, elderly, diabetic, etc more or less safe than they were last year?"

I think the answer to that is a resounding yes. If they want to get vaccinated to try to lower the risk of hospitalization or death they are free to do so. It's not up to the boogeyman "unvaxxed" group to protect them.

Those of us that are young, in great health, and remain unvaxxed are still at such a low risk of having major issues that it's still not worth losing any sleep over, just like last year.
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In reply to Dad-O-Lot • 9:54a, 10/1/21
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I don't know if you are less safe but we do know the Delta variant circulating now is more contagious then Alpha of a year ago. We also know those hospitalized/dying are predominantly unvaccinated. One other surety, today you have a very easy way to make sure you are safer which you did not have last year. I am safer then I was, are you?
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1:35p, 10/1/21
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"safety" is an illusion.

you could get hit by a bus tomorrow.
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1:50p, 10/1/21
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If you look at the death rate from covid then yes, we are way safer today than we were a year ago - strictly speaking of Covid.

We were in Chicago last week and most bars we went into REQUIRED proof of vaccination to enter. Same thing for a concert at Red Rocks 3 weeks ago. And in both cases they checked ID closely to make sure it matched. It also looked like Illinois had a state issued vaccine card but I'm not positive on that.
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In reply to PJYoung • 12:06a, 10/2/21
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PJYoung said:
Same thing for a concert at Red Rocks 3 weeks ago.
Did you go Saturday night (of the Aggie game)? That show was incredible!
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3:51a, 10/2/21
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Is a person who is unvaccinated today less safe than he or she was a year ago?

Less safe from being infected since the virus is more widespread and endemic in the community. And the delta variant is more contagious.
More safe from dying since the knowledge and treatment options available is more than last year.

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Are the people around an unvaccinated person more or less safe than they were a year ago?

More safe if that person is vaccinated and/or has natural immunity.
If unvaccinated, see above.
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In reply to cavscout96 • 6:31a, 10/2/21
cavscout96 said:
"safety" is an illusion.

you could get hit by a bus tomorrow.


But you don't walk in the street either. That said mandates are a slippery slope.
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In reply to Knucklesammich • 9:21a, 10/2/21
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Knucklesammich said:
cavscout96 said:
"safety" is an illusion.

you could get hit by a bus tomorrow.


But you don't walk in the street either. That said mandates are a slippery slope.


Doesn't matter. You can get hit by a car/bus/etc. walking on the sidewalk. Is it likely? No, but neither is dying of covid.
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In reply to PJYoung • 9:23a, 10/2/21
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PJYoung said:
If you look at the death rate from covid then yes, we are way safer today than we were a year ago - strictly speaking of Covid.

We were in Chicago last week and most bars we went into REQUIRED proof of vaccination to enter. Same thing for a concert at Red Rocks 3 weeks ago. And in both cases they checked ID closely to make sure it matched. It also looked like Illinois had a state issued vaccine card but I'm not positive on that.


I went to a concert at red rocks with the same requirement. As we were waiting to get in someone yelled out "Anyone have a pen? I need to fill out my vax card!"

It got a good laugh and pretty well summed up the farce.
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In reply to bay fan • 10:11a, 10/2/21
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I don't know if you are less safe but we do know the Delta variant circulating now is more contagious then Alpha of a year ago. We also know those hospitalized/dying are predominantly unvaccinated. One other surety, today you have a very easy way to make sure you are safer which you did not have last year. I am safer then I was, are you?


Came across this note in another thread involving numbers in Texas. Seems like something we'd want to know if we truly cared:

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DSHS doesn't track the number of COVID-19 hospitalizations among vaccinated people statewide because hospitals are not required to report that information to the state.
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In reply to cavscout96 • 11:32a, 10/2/21
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This kind of reasoning makes no sense. This is a tactic to counter an argument with a fact that is technically "true" but has nothing to do with the current situation. Also, you and everyone else takes precautionary steps to avoid getting hit by a bus.
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In reply to 14TheRoad • 12:02p, 10/2/21
14TheRoad said:
Knucklesammich said:
cavscout96 said:
"safety" is an illusion.

you could get hit by a bus tomorrow.


But you don't walk in the street either. That said mandates are a slippery slope.


Doesn't matter. You can get hit by a car/bus/etc. walking on the sidewalk. Is it likely? No, but neither is dying of covid.


6,750 pedestrians died in auto related accidents…not sure how many of those were on sidewalk. There has to be hundreds of millions of interactions to get to this number.

8,600 people have died from COVID at TMC per their dashboard across 94k admissions.

Still don't think we should necessarily have a govt mandate. Employer or business owner mandates are their own business.

But the idea that the vaccine doesn't significantly lower significant illness and/or death across society can't really be disputed at this point.

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In reply to Counterpoint • 12:08p, 10/2/21
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Counterpoint said:
PJYoung said:
Same thing for a concert at Red Rocks 3 weeks ago.
Did you go Saturday night (of the Aggie game)? That show was incredible!

Sunday night and yes - she is amazing. Somehow there were 3rd row tickets available the week before the show - it looked to be sold out that night.
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In reply to Knucklesammich • 12:09p, 10/2/21
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Knucklesammich said:
14TheRoad said:
Knucklesammich said:
cavscout96 said:
"safety" is an illusion.

you could get hit by a bus tomorrow.


But you don't walk in the street either. That said mandates are a slippery slope.


Doesn't matter. You can get hit by a car/bus/etc. walking on the sidewalk. Is it likely? No, but neither is dying of covid.

But the idea that the vaccine doesn't significantly lower significant illness and/or death across society can't really be disputed at this point.

Wait, you believe that the vaccine doesn't significantly lower illness and death from Covid?
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In reply to PJYoung • 2:36p, 10/7/21
PJYoung said:
Knucklesammich said:
14TheRoad said:
Knucklesammich said:
cavscout96 said:
"safety" is an illusion.

you could get hit by a bus tomorrow.


But you don't walk in the street either. That said mandates are a slippery slope.


Doesn't matter. You can get hit by a car/bus/etc. walking on the sidewalk. Is it likely? No, but neither is dying of covid.

But the idea that the vaccine doesn't significantly lower significant illness and/or death across society can't really be disputed at this point.

Wait, you believe that the vaccine doesn't significantly lower illness and death from Covid?
mistyped...I do believe that it lowers illness and death from COVID apologies.
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In reply to Dad-O-Lot • 2:47p, 10/7/21
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Dad-O-Lot said:
Considering all the vaccine mandates being pushed, and people losing their jobs over not being vaccinated...

Is a person who is unvaccinated today less safe than he or she was a year ago?

Are the people around an unvaccinated person more or less safe than they were a year ago?


While your question is loaded I'll answer by saying they are less safe today than last year. Mainly because everyone was working at home last year and delta is more contagious and impacting younger people.
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7:44p, 10/7/21
"Honest question" and "I'm not a racist, but"

are maybe the two most cringe-worthy ways to start a conversation.
94chem,
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In reply to 94chem • 7:55p, 10/7/21
94chem said:
"Honest question" and "I'm not a racist, but"

are maybe the two most cringe-worthy ways to start a conversation.


I don't know. "No offense, but" is a pretty good one.

Like "No offense, but your posts are some of the most cringe-worthy posts to read on this site."
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9:34p, 10/7/21
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most people under 60 are just as likely to die of the flu vs covid, where is all the hype about the flu? I guess since we have lived with the flu for years and years its not the new cool thing to worry about. The flu could kill almost all of us on this board just as fast as Covid could ..... they both real and both can harm a person, but the odds of serious effects to most are very very slim..

so back to the OPs questions, why are people not being fired for not taking the Flu shot ? if your gonna fire for Covid jab you need to fire for Flu jab... eye for an eye

or perhaps do what we have done for the flu for many many many years... your choice
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In reply to fullback44 • 3:51p, 10/8/21
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most people under 60 are just as likely to die of the flu vs covid.


October, 2021, and you still say something like this. Do you still think that Kim Jong-Un is a scratch golfer?
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In reply to 94chem • 4:05p, 10/8/21
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nm - removing response that was off topic
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In reply to Dad-O-Lot • 7:08p, 10/8/21
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Dad-O-Lot said:
Considering all the vaccine mandates being pushed, and people losing their jobs over not being vaccinated...

Is a person who is unvaccinated today less safe than he or she was a year ago?

Are the people around an unvaccinated person more or less safe than they were a year ago?


Considering the rising numbers of breakthrough cases vaccine mandates are becoming increasingly harder to justify. I mean what's the point. My wife and I were both double vaxxed back in April/May. Both of us are stuck at home with Covid right now.

At this point a vaccine mandate accomplishes nothing but creating a second class citizenship. I will not be getting any boosters either. I mean I took the vaccine to prevent myself from getting Covid. A lot of good that did. Now that I've had Covid any boosters are only injecting myself with unneeded medicien.
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In reply to Ol_Ag_02 • 7:35p, 10/8/21
I don't think you can discount the value of the vaccination as it relates to severity. That said, I do think it's value in being the path to eliminating Covid by stopping the spread of the virus is looking more and more questionable.
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In reply to Ol_Ag_02 • 6:33a, 10/9/21
Ol_Ag_02 said:
Dad-O-Lot said:
Considering all the vaccine mandates being pushed, and people losing their jobs over not being vaccinated...

Is a person who is unvaccinated today less safe than he or she was a year ago?

Are the people around an unvaccinated person more or less safe than they were a year ago?


Considering the rising numbers of breakthrough cases vaccine mandates are becoming increasingly harder to justify. I mean what's the point. My wife and I were both double vaxxed back in April/May. Both of us are stuck at home with Covid right now.

At this point a vaccine mandate accomplishes nothing but creating a second class citizenship. I will not be getting any boosters either. I mean I took the vaccine to prevent myself from getting Covid. A lot of good that did. Now that I've had Covid any boosters are only injecting myself with unneeded medicien.


How are you doing, symptom-wise? Hope it's not bad for you. My 80 YO mother got a cold for a week. My 35 YO friend got pretty sick for a week. Wife got a headache for a day. None of it fun, but no hospital trips.
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In reply to Ol_Ag_02 • 6:41a, 10/9/21
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Ol_Ag_02 said:
Dad-O-Lot said:
Considering all the vaccine mandates being pushed, and people losing their jobs over not being vaccinated...

Is a person who is unvaccinated today less safe than he or she was a year ago?

Are the people around an unvaccinated person more or less safe than they were a year ago?


Considering the rising numbers of breakthrough cases vaccine mandates are becoming increasingly harder to justify. I mean what's the point. My wife and I were both double vaxxed back in April/May. Both of us are stuck at home with Covid right now.

At this point a vaccine mandate accomplishes nothing but creating a second class citizenship. I will not be getting any boosters either. I mean I took the vaccine to prevent myself from getting Covid. A lot of good that did. Now that I've had Covid any boosters are only injecting myself with unneeded medicien.
No offense, but you clearly don't understand the point of the vaccine. The vaccine doesn't 100% prevent COVID-19 infection. It reduces your risk of getting it, decreases the severity of the infection (keeps you out of the hospital), and decreases your transmissibility. That's it. And none of those things are 100%.
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In reply to gunan01 • 8:24a, 10/9/21
gunan01 said:
Ol_Ag_02 said:
Dad-O-Lot said:
Considering all the vaccine mandates being pushed, and people losing their jobs over not being vaccinated...

Is a person who is unvaccinated today less safe than he or she was a year ago?

Are the people around an unvaccinated person more or less safe than they were a year ago?


Considering the rising numbers of breakthrough cases vaccine mandates are becoming increasingly harder to justify. I mean what's the point. My wife and I were both double vaxxed back in April/May. Both of us are stuck at home with Covid right now.

At this point a vaccine mandate accomplishes nothing but creating a second class citizenship. I will not be getting any boosters either. I mean I took the vaccine to prevent myself from getting Covid. A lot of good that did. Now that I've had Covid any boosters are only injecting myself with unneeded medicien.
No offense, but you clearly don't understand the point of the vaccine. The vaccine doesn't 100% prevent COVID-19 infection. It reduces your risk of getting it, decreases the severity of the infection (keeps you out of the hospital), and decreases your transmissibility. That's it. And none of those things are 100%.


Lol. You say one of the things it does is reduces your risk of getting it but he clearly doesn't understand the point of the vaccine if he took it to prevent himself from getting it.

You started with "no offense" so there's that I guess.
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In reply to 03_Aggie • 8:35a, 10/9/21
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"Reduce risk" =/= "prevent"

Hth
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In reply to gunan01 • 9:27a, 10/9/21
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gunan01 said:
Ol_Ag_02 said:
Dad-O-Lot said:
Considering all the vaccine mandates being pushed, and people losing their jobs over not being vaccinated...

Is a person who is unvaccinated today less safe than he or she was a year ago?

Are the people around an unvaccinated person more or less safe than they were a year ago?


Considering the rising numbers of breakthrough cases vaccine mandates are becoming increasingly harder to justify. I mean what's the point. My wife and I were both double vaxxed back in April/May. Both of us are stuck at home with Covid right now.

At this point a vaccine mandate accomplishes nothing but creating a second class citizenship. I will not be getting any boosters either. I mean I took the vaccine to prevent myself from getting Covid. A lot of good that did. Now that I've had Covid any boosters are only injecting myself with unneeded medicien.
No offense, but you clearly don't understand the point of the vaccine. The vaccine doesn't 100% prevent COVID-19 infection. It reduces your risk of getting it, decreases the severity of the infection (keeps you out of the hospital), and decreases your transmissibility. That's it. And none of those things are 100%.


No offense, but clearly neither does the CDC since they changed it after the vaccine became leaky.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article254111268.html

Also, talk about moving the goal posts. You cannot say with a straight face that the vaccines back in the spring weren't being touted as prevention, not this bull**** decrease in severity. Breakthrough cases were called extremely rare. Well clearly that was wrong.

Look I'm not angry about the "vaccines" inability to do its job. I'm mad about these useless mandates and creation of a second class citizenship. I'm mad at those of you forcing mandates down peoples thoats.

That's what this thread was about, the useless mandate.
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In reply to gunan01 • 9:36a, 10/9/21
gunan01 said:
"Reduce risk" =/= "prevent"

Hth


If that's the case then I guess you'd agree that the vaccines don't prevent the spread of SARS-CoV-2 and you'd agree with the rest of his post that mandates are pointless. I guess you'd also have to agree that this isn't a pandemic of the unvaccinated in that the lack of prevention from the vaccine allows for plenty of opportunity for mutations and then variations.
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In reply to 03_Aggie • 10:13a, 10/9/21
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What's pointless about reducing risk? Reducing risk of illness, severe illness, spread.
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In reply to gunan01 • 12:26p, 10/9/21
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gunan01 said:
What's pointless about reducing risk? Reducing risk of illness, severe illness, spread.

Exactly.

I am straining to understand the other viewpoint on this.
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In reply to gunan01 • 12:58p, 10/9/21
gunan01 said:
What's pointless about reducing risk? Reducing risk of illness, severe illness, spread.


Who said reducing ones risk is pointless? I said the mandates were pointless because, by your own admission, the vaccines don't prevent the transmission of the virus and therefore will not stop the virus and make it disappear.

People want to make a decision to reduce their risk, go for it. Mandating people to reduce their risk is a whole other story.
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