Blood Clots

3,251 Views | 15 Replies | Last: 3 yr ago by eric76
AggieKatie2
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Bro-in-law's legs were hurting a few days after his monoclonal treatment, so he went to ER and they said no worries, here's a muscle relaxer, go home.

His leg kept hurting so he went back in that day and asked them to check for clots. Said they didn't see any, sent him home.

Week later he has chest pains, so goes to ER, and they confirm he has some blood clots in lungs. Give him extra strong blood thinners and send him home.

Now (later same day) chest is still hurting and short of breath. We want him admitted and observed, so called 911 to have him transported.

Hope he's okay.
TarponChaser
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I hope your brother is OK too but I've not seen where blood clots are a known side effect of the monoclonal antibody treatments.

I had DVT several years ago and it required hospitalization. Fortunately my PCP is an authority on them and after a whole lot of study learned I don't have the genetic predisposition to them and it was likely caused by dehydration and immobility on a long trip. It's something we monitor now and no recurrences.
AggieKatie2
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
I'm just using the monoclonal treatment as a time marker...its a covid complication almost certainly.
gratitudeandacceptance
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I sure hope they get him treated quickly. Scary that they didn't see them when they began. Good for your family for being diligent.
AustinAg2K
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I hope he's ok. I have a friend who has been dealing with blood clots for the past two months. Although she seems to do the exact opposite of whatever the doctor recommends. She even checked herself out of the hospital before the doctor gave her clearance, only to have to check herself back in a few weeks later.
AggieKatie2
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
My spouse lost a friend due to covid related blood clots going to his heart about a month ago, so we were instantly on BIL about going to the ER.
fullback44
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
AggieKatie2 said:

My spouse lost a friend due to covid related blood clots going to his heart about a month ago, so we were instantly on BIL about going to the ER.


Very sad to hear, I hope they all get better ASAP. Was there a specific vaccine they took, I'm worried about this with my mom, she takes thinners currently
bigtruckguy3500
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Damage from blood clots can cause persistent pain, both in the legs, as well as the chest. His blood clots may have actually dissolved by now, but the damage they did to the lungs will take a long time to heal.

There are certain DVT/PE prediction algorithms that are highly sensitive for ruling out DVT/PE when applied correctly. However they've never been validated in COVID, and I'm hearing mixed data on how well it works in COVID. Did the ER ultrasound his legs the second time? And did they CT his chest the 3rd time? Was he vaccinated?
AggieKatie2
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
2nd ER the did ultrasound on legs

Chest clot confirmation, I don't know if they did ultrasound or not

Don't know vaccination status
gratitudeandacceptance
How long do you want to ignore this user?
How's he doing?
BadMoonRisin
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Did they do a D-dimer test?
AggieKatie2
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Has had a shot or 2 of thinners.

Doppler? scheduled for today

Dr said probably keeping him for a few days now.
fullback44
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
BadMoonRisin said:

Did they do a D-dimer test?


Are they testing for PEG diners? PEG is the carrier fluid for the vaccine .. I question injecting a PEG - ethylene glycol copolymers into the blood stream.. ethylene glycol is very toxic to the human body …. The PEGs break down to EG an then later oximic acids I believe .. also very toxic

PEG is used in foods that are injested in the mouth but not sure they are normally injected into the blood stream.

I would be curious if any of the Drs on this site have other cases of PEGS being injected into the blood stream?
littledude
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
What is a PEG dimer? I'm not familiar with that test.
fullback44
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
littledude said:

What is a PEG dimer? I'm not familiar with that test.
its not a test, its a EG molecule, see below, chemical / chemistry terms

mono ethylene glycol (1 molecule =mono)
di ethylene glycol (di = 2 = dimer = a PEG) poly EG is more than one EG
tri ethylene glycol (tri = 3 = trimer = a PEG also)
tetra ethylene glycol (tetra = 4 = a PEG also)
and so on and so on and so on, as you connect EGs together you get higher Mol weight PEGS

these are chemical terms, i was curious as to the size of the PEG carrier fluid for the vaccine and how it may break down in the body

there is now literature out that people may be allergic to the PEGs (from previous PEG exposures) and that is what may be causing some of the "vaccine injuries" we are hearing about, if you have acids in the body reacting with the PEGs these reactions could be forming polymer resins like say oximic acid (i read this online when EG in the body reacts with the acids in your body) which could possibly cause blood clots or who knows what those chemical molecules would do inside the body? I have no clue if this could be happening but anytime you have and\ acid and an alcohol or glycol under right conditions they could react and form some other molecule (most the time in chemicals you form an ester). some of the researchers are saying that the more doses or boosters you get the more PEGs you have in the body, at some point the body may be reacting to the amount of PEG inside your body.. I read this in studies being printed about taking multiple boosters and why that may affect some people differently..

this obviously doesn't effect everyone or you would see alot more reactions to taking these vaccines and boosters, I would be curious how many other vaccines are using PEGs as the carrier fluid or whatever the PEGs are referred to as in vaccine terms?
WesMaroon&White
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Amoxicillin tablet, for oral administration, provide amoxicillin trihydrate equivalent to 875 mg amoxicillin. Inactive Ingredients: TABLETS: Colloidal Silicon Dioxide, Magnesium Stearate, Polyethylene Glycol, Polyvinyl Alcohol, Povidone, Pregelatinized Starch, Sodium Starch Glycolate, Soy Lecithin, Talc, Titanium Dioxide


Medicine with PEG
https://www.drugs.com/inactive/polyethylene-glycol-177.html


Polyethylene glycol (PEG) is an inert amphiphilic polymer in contrast to ethylene glycol oxide, which is commonly known as a toxic compound used for synthesis of PEG. ... Therefore, once ingested or parenterally administered PEG remains intact until it is eliminated via urine or feces.


PEG is also used as an anti-foaming agent in food and drinks

  • Polyethylene glycol - BC, REG, GMP, In boiler water -173.310; AF, REG, GMP, Comp of defoaming agent -173.340; CTG, REG, GMP, Ctg on fresh citrus fruits -172.210
  • Polyethylene glycol (mean molecular weight 200 -9,500) - MISC, REG, GMP, Ctg, binder, plasticizing agent, and/or lubricant in tabs used for food; Adjuvant in nonnutritive sweeteners, vitamin & mineral prepns; Ctg for sodium nitrite to inhibit hygroscopic properties - 172.820; ZERO - In milk - 172.820, 526.820
  • Polyethylene glycol (400) dioleate - EMUL, REG, < 10% by wt. of defoamer formulation - Processing beet sugar & yeast - 173.340
  • Polyethylene glycol (400) mono- & di- oleate - Feed, REG, 250 ppm in molasses - Used as a processing aid in the production of animal feeds when present as a result if its addition to molasses - 573.800

It is used in toothpastes and…

PEG has uses in medicine as well, most commonly as a laxative. As a water-thirsty molecule PEG prevents the intestines from reabsorbing the water in stools, which keeps the stool soft and heavy and makes it easier to pass.
More recently biotech firms have used PEG to create antibodies that fight diseases. Antibodies are normally produced by certain white blood cells, but those cells don't grow well outside the body, making antibodies hard to mass-produce. Two scientists finally got around that limitation in the 1970s by, of all things, mixing PEG with cancer cells. Csar Milstein and Georges Köhler knew that cancer cells, however destructive inside the body, grow quite nicely in the lab. So they began looking for ways to fuse antibody-producing cells with cancer cells to take advantage of the good traits of both. After a failed attempt using viruses Milstein and Köhler succeeded in creating these "hybridomas" with PEG. The polymer seems to promote the fusion of cells by dehydrating and breaking down their membranes, forcing the cells into close contact and allowing them to glom together. Milstein and Köhler's work on antibody production won them a Nobel Prize in 1984 and helped spawn a multibillion-dollar industry that has produced treatments for Crohn's disease, rheumatoid arthritis, several types of cancer, and immune rejections in transplant surgery.
PEG's ability to fuse cells also explains why the polymer shows such promise in treating spinal-cord damage. Nerves outside the spinal cordwhich carry signals to your limbs and organscan regrow, albeit slowly, after they suffer damage. Nerve tissue inside the spinal cord doesn't regrow after damage, meaning that spinal-cord injuries usually cause permanent paralysis.
But PEG could get around that limitation. When applied to damaged spinal cells, it breaks down their membranes and allows the cells above and below the injury site to fuse together. As a result, signals from the brainwhich once fizzled out at the gapcan now cross the site of the injury and connect the brain and lower body once again.
So far PEG has proven effective in treating spinal-cord paralysis in a variety of mammals, including dogs. I personally witnessed the magic of PEG in mice while visiting a research lab in China. There I watched two graduate students surgically sever the spinal cords of several mice, which should have rendered their hind legs useless. (They cut the cords halfway down the back.) But before sewing up the mice, the students squirted in a few drops of PEG dissolved in water, a solution with a faintly amber color. Two days later these mice were walking again. Not perfectly: they still lurched somewhat. But compared with control micewho received no PEG, and who were dragging their dead back legs behind themthe PEG mice had made a near-miraculous recovery.
Right now PEG remains experimental. Success in lab animals doesn't guarantee success in human beings, and no one knows how well PEGwhich in the lab usually gets applied immediately after spinal damagewould work on long-standing injuries, which are often covered with scar tissue. (Surgeons could perhaps get around this by making fresh cuts that pare the scars back.) But PEG and other chemicals that fuse cells (collectively called fusogens) do show genuine promise. In the United States alone, 11,000 people suffer spinal-cord damage each year, with no prospects for improvement. After a century of such sterile endeavor, even a modest sprig of hope is worth celebrating.

eric76
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
I had to drink a glass of PEG daily for several weeks earlier this year after several rounds of antibiotics left me so stopped up that I went two weeks or more between bowel movements. They didn't help much.
Refresh
Page 1 of 1
 
×
subscribe Verify your student status
See Subscription Benefits
Trial only available to users who have never subscribed or participated in a previous trial.