Threads like these are why I wish medical professionals swore an oath not to get on social media sites and post in the name of medicine…..for either side of any particular argument. This thread serves absolutely no purpose as far as an individual's health care is concerned. It only serves to divide an already divided citizenry further. It only serves to add fuel to the fire to both sides of the vaccine debate. Part of a medical professionals job is to stay calm, keep others calm, and make decisions with clear minds. Social media doesn't allow for any of that. Talk to your own doctor face to face. Social media and news networks have been horrendous for our Covid response.

It serves to show us that our medical professionals are human beings, are incredibly stressed by the current situation, and that now even political beliefs will outweigh them being fellow Aggies when it comes to showing them some respect.

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For the future, if you find yourself getting into a posting war where you start calling people the equivalent of dumb hicks and say the phrase "tin-foil hat" six times, you're probably not advancing this noble cause much anymore.

Keep to facts bacause the petty stuff just further entrenches those who already walked in predisposed to ignore your arguments anyway.

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Facts are unfortunately not on his side. Only ad hominem attacks and arguments made in bad faith.

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Lol, naw man. Facts are overwhelmingly on his side here. Overwhelmingly.

All you've done is ***** and nit pick certain aspects of OPs point, ignoring the forest for the trees to make dumb and unnecessary points. Neither of you are winners here, but you sir are the one arguing against a doctor trying to move his patients without success by bringing up data points that "prove him wrong," yet he's on the *********phone each day trying to save lives while you're googling **** to prove him wrong. Gtfoh

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I aint googled **** this whole thread. Whats facts do I have incorrect? Do you have a talking point you'd like to argue or are you going to take more pot shots like our boy CFA above?

I truly sympathize with OP's predicament but we cannot continue with this mixed messaging and hyperbole. Victim blaming of patients isn't working and frankly the healthcare industry should be taking some of the heat for some of the current capacity concerns. Additionally, we need facts and data not tears and fears.

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Well maybe there would be more staffed beds if they didn't fire the unvaxxed nurses. I personally know a handful of great er and icu nurses that were let go.

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Yeah cause every icu patient wants the non vaccinated nurse…..hint, they do NOT. Also, there is a difference in being laid off or choosing to quit because you refuse your employers policies.

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Why would an icu patient care if their nurse is vaccinated or not? Covid can be transmitted just as easily by vaxxed people as unvaxxed. Such a dumb argument.

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Dumber than that is if your already sick with covid why in the world would you be worried about getting it from your caregivers?

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Well maybe there would be more staffed beds if they didn't fire the unvaxxed nurses. I personally know a handful of great er and icu nurses that were let go.

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Yeah cause every icu patient wants the non vaccinated nurse…..hint, they do NOT. Also, there is a difference in being laid off or choosing to quit because you refuse your employers policies.

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Why would an icu patient care if their nurse is vaccinated or not? Covid can be transmitted just as easily by vaxxed people as unvaxxed. Such a dumb argument.

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No it can't. Please stop with this. There is a possibility that some people that are vaccinated can have as much virus in their noses as an unvaccinated person, but the vaccinated individuals are far more likely to clear the virus much quicker. Even if they have a breakthrough case, they are going to overcome it quicker. And they may not get it at all. Additionally, if enough nurses or hospital staff, or whoever don't get vaccinated, you can have a lack of herd immunity among staff, so an entire day shift could be taken out for a week.

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Holy cow, I don't even know where to start. Are you just making stuff up?

The CDC director disagrees with you.

CDC director says vaccines can’t prevent transmission anymore, so why would any government, organization, or company mandate them? https://t.co/vaYbKzzV9Z

— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) August 20, 2021

CDC and Doctors disagree with you.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/delta-variant-cdc-says-vaccinated-people-can-transmit-same-amount-of-virus-as-those-unvaccinated/ar-AAMLwaK

What if they already had covid? Should they still be fired for not taking the vaccine? They'd still be contributing to herd immunity with natural antibodies.

Nevermind. I'm in my own hell now arguing boringly over this. Out.

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Threads like these are why I wish medical professionals swore an oath not to get on social media sites and post in the name of medicine…..for either side of any particular argument. This thread serves absolutely no purpose as far as an individual's health care is concerned. It only serves to divide an already divided citizenry further. It only serves to add fuel to the fire to both sides of the vaccine debate. Part of a medical professionals job is to stay calm, keep others calm, and make decisions with clear minds. Social media doesn't allow for any of that. Talk to your own doctor face to face. Social media and news networks have been horrendous for our Covid response.

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I know. Some of you would rather not hear about the realities of the situation. Out of sight, out of mind.

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It serves to show us that our medical professionals are human beings, are incredibly stressed by the current situation, and that now even political beliefs will outweigh them being fellow Aggies when it comes to showing them some respect.

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I didn't say a thing about politics and I didn't say a thing about disrespecting any medical professionals or Aggie. I have mucho respect for all of them. I'm a staunch conservative and I talked all this out with my doctor and I am fully vaccinated as is my family. I have cooked and served meals to hospital staff that are tired as heck and I have prayed with them in the chapel. None of that matters. We have 5 pages of arguing here that do nothing to advance how we deal with Covid. We have 5 pages of people fighting and trying to one up each other. 5 pages of laying blame on one person or the other. The only way to win a battle is to have a unified approach and a unified message. Social media posts do nothing to create that. On this very thread we have other medical professionals offering and opposite reason for why the OP claims. There are a lot of professions out there that go through times when they are exhausted and there seems to be no end. I do not think any of them should use social media as their outlet for frustrations.

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Well maybe there would be more staffed beds if they didn't fire the unvaxxed nurses. I personally know a handful of great er and icu nurses that were let go.

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Yeah cause every icu patient wants the non vaccinated nurse…..hint, they do NOT. Also, there is a difference in being laid off or choosing to quit because you refuse your employers policies.

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Why would an icu patient care if their nurse is vaccinated or not? Covid can be transmitted just as easily by vaxxed people as unvaxxed. Such a dumb argument.

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No it can't. Please stop with this. There is a possibility that some people that are vaccinated can have as much virus in their noses as an unvaccinated person, but the vaccinated individuals are far more likely to clear the virus much quicker. Even if they have a breakthrough case, they are going to overcome it quicker. And they may not get it at all. Additionally, if enough nurses or hospital staff, or whoever don't get vaccinated, you can have a lack of herd immunity among staff, so an entire day shift could be taken out for a week.

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Holy cow, I don't even know where to start. Are you just making stuff up?

The CDC director disagrees with you.

CDC director says vaccines can’t prevent transmission anymore, so why would any government, organization, or company mandate them? https://t.co/vaYbKzzV9Z

— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) August 20, 2021

CDC and Doctors disagree with you.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/delta-variant-cdc-says-vaccinated-people-can-transmit-same-amount-of-virus-as-those-unvaccinated/ar-AAMLwaK

What if they already had covid? Should they still be fired for not taking the vaccine? They'd still be contributing to herd immunity with natural antibodies.

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The vaccines have still have efficacy decent. Anybody vaccinated is inherently significantly less likely to be infected at any moment in time than an unvaccinated individual. That is a fact. Therefore vaccinated nurses are substantially less likely to infect a patient in a hospital setting. So when a person goes into the ICU for a car wreck they are now substantially less likely to catch COVID in their hospital bed.

Infected people are just as likely to transmit the virus, but not all people are equally likely to be infected. It's like some of y'all are being deliberately ignorant.

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Threads like these are why I wish medical professionals swore an oath not to get on social media sites and post in the name of medicine…..for either side of any particular argument. This thread serves absolutely no purpose as far as an individual's health care is concerned. It only serves to divide an already divided citizenry further. It only serves to add fuel to the fire to both sides of the vaccine debate. Part of a medical professionals job is to stay calm, keep others calm, and make decisions with clear minds. Social media doesn't allow for any of that. Talk to your own doctor face to face. Social media and news networks have been horrendous for our Covid response.

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I know. Some of you would rather not hear about the realities of the situation. Out of sight, out of mind.

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See my post….your response is just another that does nothing but judge people that you may slightly disagree with. I have personally bought several $K in groceries to donate to health care workers and cooked mass meals for them. I've helped organize vaccine drives. I've helped in every way I know to help. But because I think social media is a bad place for a professional to post to the masses, you say I'd rather bury my head in the sand. I'm not sure what all you've done to actually join the effort and help where help may be needed, but I choose to believe you've helped any every way you know how the way I have.

Glad we aren't making about politics but important to clarify your staunch conservatism.

Which medical professionals are the ones on the thread in disagreement? I've seen two docs post on this thread - one saying the calls he's made are to full ICUs, the other saying his areas ICUs are full.

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It serves to show us that our medical professionals are human beings, are incredibly stressed by the current situation, and that now even political beliefs will outweigh them being fellow Aggies when it comes to showing them some respect.

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I didn't say a thing about politics and I didn't say a thing about disrespecting any medical professionals or Aggie. I have mucho respect for all of them. I'm a staunch conservative and I talked all this out with my doctor and I am fully vaccinated as is my family. I have cooked and served meals to hospital staff that are tired as heck and I have prayed with them in the chapel. None of that matters. We have 5 pages of arguing here that do nothing to advance how we deal with Covid. We have 5 pages of people fighting and trying to one up each other. 5 pages of laying blame on one person or the other. The only way to win a battle is to have a unified approach and a unified message. Social media posts do nothing to create that. On this very thread we have other medical professionals offering and opposite reason for why the OP claims. There are a lot of professions out there that go through times when they are exhausted and there seems to be no end. I do not think any of them should use social media as their outlet for frustrations.

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Every medical professional here agrees with OP aboud ICU beds being very difficult to obtain now.

And lord almighty, you want medical professionals, in the middle of the pandemic, working at filled hospitals, dealing with unneeded deaths, delivering updates to shattered Texas families every day, to stop posting and deliver facts to the public about how real this virus is?

Jesus Christ.

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Every medical professional here agrees with OP aboud ICU beds being very difficult to obtain now.

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OP didn't say that ICU beds are very difficult to come by. He said Every ICU Bed in Texas is Full. See the title. That simply isn't accurate and other medical professionals on this thread have said as much.

I'm out though as I'm not going to get drug into a back and forth. I appreciate the medical profession. I appreciate Aggies. I've not tiraded on anyone. Good luck to all and I hope OP is able to find some transfer space sooner rather than later.

Mods, please edit OPs post to accurately reflect that if you're in the Dallas fort worth metro area your doctor may have a hard ass time finding you icu space, but that it isn't a problem because it turns out El Paso has some beds open, thus OP has further divided the nation with his social media post, thx

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Well maybe there would be more staffed beds if they didn't fire the unvaxxed nurses. I personally know a handful of great er and icu nurses that were let go.

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Yeah cause every icu patient wants the non vaccinated nurse…..hint, they do NOT. Also, there is a difference in being laid off or choosing to quit because you refuse your employers policies.

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Why would an icu patient care if their nurse is vaccinated or not? Covid can be transmitted just as easily by vaxxed people as unvaxxed. Such a dumb argument.

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No it can't. Please stop with this. There is a possibility that some people that are vaccinated can have as much virus in their noses as an unvaccinated person, but the vaccinated individuals are far more likely to clear the virus much quicker. Even if they have a breakthrough case, they are going to overcome it quicker. And they may not get it at all. Additionally, if enough nurses or hospital staff, or whoever don't get vaccinated, you can have a lack of herd immunity among staff, so an entire day shift could be taken out for a week.

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Holy cow, I don't even know where to start. Are you just making stuff up?

The CDC director disagrees with you.

CDC director says vaccines can’t prevent transmission anymore, so why would any government, organization, or company mandate them? https://t.co/vaYbKzzV9Z

— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) August 20, 2021

CDC and Doctors disagree with you.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/delta-variant-cdc-says-vaccinated-people-can-transmit-same-amount-of-virus-as-those-unvaccinated/ar-AAMLwaK

What if they already had covid? Should they still be fired for not taking the vaccine? They'd still be contributing to herd immunity with natural antibodies.

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We're not going to see herd immunity with covid. The only possibility is if we come up with highly effective vaccines that protect for very extended periods of time.

The real thorn in the side is that a number of animals have already been found to be able to get covid. That makes the achievement of herd immunity nearly impossible.

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Like I said, I'd be happy to be wrong. Unfortunately the people publishing open ICU bed data don't accept transfers. All the people that do accept ICU transfers say they are full. Once again, if you have a contact that will take my patients I will happily ask staff to delete the thread

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accepting transfers and full are two different things...

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Like I said, I'd be happy to be wrong. Unfortunately the people publishing open ICU bed data don't accept transfers. All the people that do accept ICU transfers say they are full. Once again, if you have a contact that will take my patients I will happily ask staff to delete the thread

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accepting transfers and full are two different things...

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Is it a difference that really matters if you don't have access to the one not accepting transfers? The end result is the same.

If my mother, father, aunt, uncle, son, or daughter is denied accessed to the healthcare they need because the hospitals that could provide it won't accept them, do you honestly think I would give a damn if they said "we aren't accepting transfers" or "we are full."? I wouldn't. The effective meaning to my family would be that they are full, even if they have a few beds sitting empty.
My aunt died of Covid last year in Tyler, the only hospital that would accept her transfer. Every hospital in the metroplex turned her away. Whether they had a few beds open or not, I don't know. What I do know is that they didn't have room for her. Would she have survived with better care? I don't know. I do know that her doctors wanted her to go somewhere else, but it was impossible to get her there.
So, while some of you are fighting about hyperbole and semantics, the OP is fighting for the lives of his patients.

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Clay Jenkins just tweeted that according to NCTTRAC there are 26 available ICU beds in Dallas County. Would love to know what hospitals and hopefully the OP can find some. Best of luck!

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26 beds in a county with millions of people and they still have to treat the traumas, heart attacks, and all the other things that usually bring folks to the hospital.

This is an interesting thread…Dr. can't get a patient in an ICU, folks arguing about numbers. Calling the Dr.the equivalent of a whining child.

IMO The biggest thing in the short term is we are forcing which patients to put in the ICU.

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Well maybe there would be more staffed beds if they didn't fire the unvaxxed nurses. I personally know a handful of great er and icu nurses that were let go.

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Yeah cause every icu patient wants the non vaccinated nurse…..hint, they do NOT. Also, there is a difference in being laid off or choosing to quit because you refuse your employers policies.

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Why would an icu patient care if their nurse is vaccinated or not? Covid can be transmitted just as easily by vaxxed people as unvaxxed. Such a dumb argument.

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No it can't. Please stop with this. There is a possibility that some people that are vaccinated can have as much virus in their noses as an unvaccinated person, but the vaccinated individuals are far more likely to clear the virus much quicker. Even if they have a breakthrough case, they are going to overcome it quicker. And they may not get it at all. Additionally, if enough nurses or hospital staff, or whoever don't get vaccinated, you can have a lack of herd immunity among staff, so an entire day shift could be taken out for a week.

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Holy cow, I don't even know where to start. Are you just making stuff up?

The CDC director disagrees with you.

CDC director says vaccines can’t prevent transmission anymore, so why would any government, organization, or company mandate them? https://t.co/vaYbKzzV9Z

— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) August 20, 2021

CDC and Doctors disagree with you.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/delta-variant-cdc-says-vaccinated-people-can-transmit-same-amount-of-virus-as-those-unvaccinated/ar-AAMLwaK

What if they already had covid? Should they still be fired for not taking the vaccine? They'd still be contributing to herd immunity with natural antibodies.

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You said vaccinated covid can be "transmitted just as easily by vaxxed people as unvaxxed." This is false. In the video clip you posted she said vaccinations can't prevent transmission. This has never changed, the CDC has alwasy said to wear a mask even if vaccinated as they don't know if you can transmit.

Fact is that the vaccinated are less likely to get COVID. If they get it they're most likely going to have a shorter illness course (infectious for less amount of time). And sure, for a moment in time, they may be able to trasnmit the virus as easily as someone that is unvaccinated, but that moment in time is much shorter. Hence they are less likely to transmit the virus in a meaningful way. And if both them, and the person they're close to are vaccinated, less chance for either getting really sick (or sick at all), as the vaccinated is less likely to transmit as much viral load to someone else.

If you already had COVID, take periodic antibody tests and show a protective titer level. Otherwise get the vaccine and be done with it. Data shows that those that had covid and are vaccinated have superior immunity than those that just had covid or just had the vaccine.

Stop cherry picking sound bites and look at all the data and the big picture.