Boys are six times more likely to suffer from heart problems vaccine

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Teenage boys are six times more likely to suffer from heart problems from the vaccine than be hospitalized from Covid-19, a major study has found


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In reply to samurai_science • 2:18p, 9/10/21


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https://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3224939

Topic discussion from same user yesterday before he changed his name. Staff should lock this thread.
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In reply to Wodanaz • 3:02p, 9/10/21
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I specifically asked Rev about this and he said...too rare to worry about.

Hospitalized kids due to covid is really rare, so is 6 times that amount some crazy number we should sit in fear of also? It should be noted and studied but that's about it.
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Are you comfortable letting your boys ride or a car or go swimming? Then you don't really need to worry about this specific thing that is 1/100th less likely to hurt them.

Everything in life is risky including eating and sleeping. Covid for healthy kids vs vaccination for healthy kids are both of so little risk that you simple don't need to worry about them.

If you have high-risk children (for any reason) then you have already gotten used to factoring in the pro vs con of almost all social/school/medical situations, and will continue to do so.
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In reply to jenn96 • 3:27p, 9/10/21
jenn96 said:
Are you comfortable letting your boys ride or a car or go swimming? Then you don't really need to worry about this specific thing that is 1/100th less likely to hurt them.
That's a pretty nifty false dichotomy. The choice isn't let your boys ride in a car or give them a vaccine, it's vaccinate or do not vaccinate. Considering the growing data in support of increased risk of heart issues, we only have one vaccine that even has EUA for them currently, most countries are choosing not to vaccinate kids for some reason, and the relative lack of risk of infection in the population in question it's amazing so many want to rush vaccination for this population.
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The continued posting of misinterpreted data and subsequent refusal to acknowledge the inconsistencies is baffling (both "sides" of covid/vaccine/etc. beliefs do this). Imagine how much we could learn and increase our credibility if we were willing to acknowledge error sometimes.
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4:10p, 9/10/21
Basically it's this:

This is a nothingburger and you shouldn't worry about it.

But it's 6x's more likely to occur than a severe Covid bout for kids.

So if I'm not supposed to worry about side effects of the vaccines I should care EVEN LESS about Covid in my kids.

So there is no reason to vaccinate your kids, since Covid is 1/6th of a nothingburger.
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There scariest part of this is the article is behind a paywall and people are referring to "the data" that they probably got from the headline.
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In reply to Fenrir • 4:40p, 9/10/21
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I don't disagree with your point and I didn't mean to seem flippant. The data on myocardial issues in vaccinated kids vs Covid infected kids is not clear and is skewed by such small sample sizes, my point was that both are minuscule compared to the risks most kids face on a daily basis.

My son will be 12 in December so this isn't an academic issue for me. It seems time that with delta, we're all going to get Covid, the issue is do we get it vaccinated or not. So far, for healthy kids, it's a statistical wash.
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In reply to jenn96 • 4:57p, 9/10/21
Maybe? I'm unaware of whether the studies done differentiate between kids with existing conditions that are likely to make them higher risk. Healthy boys of that age group are suffering from serious cases of covid at an very low rate, it makes sense to weigh which option (vaccination or risking infection) has a higher likelihood of a negative reaction. Is a healthy 13 year old boy at a higher, lower or same risk of heart issues resulting from the vaccine or virus than ones with health issues? Based on what KidDoc has said recently it doesn't seem like there is a lot of data with respect to the MRNA vaccines on that and I can see how that can make a difference in recommendations regarding the only vaccine approved for the age group.

Maybe one of the non-MRNA vaccines won't have the same issues but until it's approved in some form or fashion it's a moot point.
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I have a few citations for recent journal articles I obtained from a PubMed (National Library of Medicine) search using the following search terms phrase: Covid Vaccine AND Heart.

Some of you may be confronted with the decision about whether or not to vaccinate your children......

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1: Sivakumaran P, Sunny J, Tsagkridi A, Khanji MY. Myopericarditis following SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccine: the role of cardiac biomarkers and multimodality imaging. Eur Heart J Cardiovasc Imaging. 2021 Sep 6:jeab183. doi: 10.1093/ehjci/jeab183. Epub ahead of print. PMID: 34487161.

2: McFadyen JD, Peter K. The known knowns and known unknowns of vaccine-induced thrombotic thrombocytopaenia. Cardiovasc Res. 2021 Sep 2:cvab275. doi: 10.1093/cvr/cvab275. Epub ahead of print. PMID: 34472568.

3: Tate C, Demashkieh L, Hakmeh W. Isolated Tachycardia Presenting After Pfizer- BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccination. Cureus. 2021 Jul 28;13(7):e16706. doi: 10.7759/cureus.16706. PMID: 34466331; PMCID: PMC8397831.

4: Lee E, Chew NWS, Ng P, Yeo TJ. Reply to "Letter to the editor: Myocarditis should be considered in those with a troponin rise and unobstructed coronary arteries following PfizerBioNTech COVID-19 vaccination". QJM. 2021 Aug 31:hcab232. doi: 10.1093/qjmed/hcab232. Epub ahead of print. PMID: 34463770.

5: Ford GA, Hargroves D, Lowe D, Hicks N, Lip GYH, Rooney G, Oatley H. Targeted atrial fibrillation (AF) detection in COVID-19 vaccination clinics. Eur Heart J Qual Care Clin Outcomes. 2021 Aug 27:qcab061. doi: 10.1093/ehjqcco/qcab061. Epub ahead of print. PMID: 34448836.

6: Shazley O, Alshazley M. A COVID-Positive 52-Year-Old Man Presented With Venous Thromboembolism and Disseminated Intravascular Coagulation Following Johnson & Johnson Vaccination: A Case-Study. Cureus. 2021 Jul 14;13(7):e16383. doi: 10.7759/cureus.16383. PMID: 34408937; PMCID: PMC8362796.

7: Li C, Chen Y, Zhao Y, Lung DC, Ye Z, Song W, Liu FF, Cai JP, Wong WM, Yip CC, Chan JF, To KK, Sridhar S, Hung IF, Chu H, Kok KH, Jin DY, Zhang AJ, Yuen KY. Intravenous injection of COVID-19 mRNA vaccine can induce acute myopericarditis in mouse model. Clin Infect Dis. 2021 Aug 18:ciab707. doi: 10.1093/cid/ciab707. Epub ahead of print. PMID: 34406358.

8: Kim IC, Kim H, Lee HJ, Kim JY, Kim JY. Cardiac Imaging of Acute Myocarditis Following COVID-19 mRNA Vaccination. J Korean Med Sci. 2021 Aug 16;36(32):e229. doi: 10.3346/jkms.2021.36.e229. PMID: 34402228; PMCID: PMC8369314.

9: King WW, Petersen MR, Matar RM, Budweg JB, Cuervo Pardo L, Petersen JW. Myocarditis following mRNA vaccination against SARS-CoV-2, a case series. Am Heart J Plus. 2021 Aug;8:100042. doi: 10.1016/j.ahjo.2021.100042. Epub 2021 Aug 9. PMID: 34396358; PMCID: PMC8349733.

10: Jain SS, Steele JM, Fonseca B, Huang S, Shah S, Maskatia SA, Buddhe S, Misra N, Ramachandran P, Gaur L, Eshtehardi P, Anwar S, Kaushik N, Han F, Chaudhuri NR, Grosse-Wortmann L. COVID-19 Vaccination-Associated Myocarditis in Adolescents. Pediatrics. 2021 Aug 13:e2021053427. doi: 10.1542/peds.2021-053427. Epub ahead of print. PMID: 34389692.

11: Sung JG, Sobieszczyk PS, Bhatt DL. Acute Myocardial Infarction Within 24 Hours After COVID-19 Vaccination. Am J Cardiol. 2021 Oct 1;156:129-131. doi: 10.1016/j.amjcard.2021.06.047. Epub 2021 Jul 12. PMID: 34364657; PMCID: PMC8272970.

12: Park JY, Kim JH, Lee IJ, Kim HI, Park S, Hwang YI, Jang SH, Jung KS. COVID-19 vaccine-related interstitial lung disease: a case study. Thorax. 2021 Aug 6:thoraxjnl-2021-217609. doi: 10.1136/thoraxjnl-2021-217609. Epub ahead of print. PMID: 34362838.

13: Das BB, Moskowitz WB, Taylor MB, Palmer A. Myocarditis and Pericarditis Following mRNA COVID-19 Vaccination: What Do We Know So Far? Children (Basel). 2021 Jul 18;8(7):607. doi: 10.3390/children8070607. PMID: 34356586; PMCID: PMC8305058.

14: Fanni D, Saba L, Demontis R, Gerosa C, Chighine A, Nioi M, Suri JS, Ravarino A, Cau F, Barcellona D, Botta MC, Porcu M, Scano A, Coghe F, Orr G, Van Eyken P, Gibo Y, La Nasa G, D'aloja E, Marongiu F, Faa G. Vaccine-induced severe thrombotic thrombocytopenia following COVID-19 vaccination: a report of an autoptic case and review of the literature. Eur Rev Med Pharmacol Sci. 2021 Aug;25(15):5063-5069. doi: 10.26355/eurrev_202108_26464. PMID: 34355379.

15: Andraska EA, Kulkarni R, Chaudhary M, Sachdev U. Three cases of acute venous thromboembolism in females following vaccination for COVID-19. J Vasc Surg Venous Lymphat Disord. 2021 Aug 2:S2213-333X(21)00392-9. doi: 10.1016/j.jvsv.2021.07.009. Epub ahead of print. PMID: 34352418; PMCID: PMC8327605.

16: Pepe S, Gregory AT, Denniss AR. Myocarditis, Pericarditis and Cardiomyopathy After COVID-19 Vaccination. Heart Lung Circ. 2021 Oct;30(10):1425-1429. doi: 10.1016/j.hlc.2021.07.011. Epub 2021 Jul 31. PMID: 34340927; PMCID: PMC8324414.

17: Das BB, Kohli U, Ramachandran P, Nguyen HH, Greil G, Hussain T, Tandon A, Kane C, Avula S, Duru C, Hede S, Sharma K, Chowdhury D, Patel S, Mercer C, Chaudhuri NR, Patel B, Khan D, Ang JY, Asmar B, Sanchez J, Bobosky KA, Cochran CD, Gebara BM, Gonzalez Rangel IE, Krasan G, Siddiqui O, Waqas M, El-Wiher N, Freij BJ. Myopericarditis following mRNA COVID-19 Vaccination in Adolescents 12 through 18 Years of Age. J Pediatr. 2021 Jul 30:S0022-3476(21)00736-8. doi: 10.1016/j.jpeds.2021.07.044. Epub ahead of print. PMID: 34339728; PMCID: PMC8321962.

18: Sokolska JM, Kurcz J, Kosmala W. Every rose has its thorns - acute myocarditis following COVID-19 vaccination. Kardiol Pol. 2021 Jul 31. doi: 10.33963/KP.a2021.0075. Epub ahead of print. PMID: 34331307.

19: Boscolo Berto M, Spano G, Wagner B, Bernhard B, Hner J, Huber AT, Grni C. Takotsubo Cardiomyopathy After mRNA COVID-19 Vaccination. Heart Lung Circ. 2021 Jul 15:S1443-9506(21)01133-1. doi: 10.1016/j.hlc.2021.06.521. Epub ahead of print. PMID: 34330629; PMCID: PMC8279960.

20: Tano E, San Martin S, Girgis S, Martinez-Fernandez Y, Sanchez Vegas C. Perimyocarditis in Adolescents After Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine. J Pediatric Infect Dis Soc. 2021 Jul 28:piab060. doi: 10.1093/jpids/piab060. Epub ahead of print. PMID: 34319393; PMCID: PMC8344528.

21: Williams CB, Choi JI, Hosseini F, Roberts J, Ramanathan K, Ong K. Acute Myocarditis Following mRNA-1273 SARS-CoV-2 Vaccination. CJC Open. 2021 Jul 14. doi: 10.1016/j.cjco.2021.07.008. Epub ahead of print. PMID: 34308326; PMCID: PMC8278869.

22: Bozkurt B, Kamat I, Hotez PJ. Myocarditis With COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines. Circulation. 2021 Aug 10;144(6):471-484. doi: 10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.121.056135. Epub 2021 Jul 20. PMID: 34281357; PMCID: PMC8340726.

23: Singh B, Kaur P, Cedeno L, Brahimi T, Patel P, Virk H, Shamoon F, Bikkina M. COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine and Myocarditis. Eur J Case Rep Intern Med. 2021 Jun 14;8(7):002681. doi: 10.12890/2021_002681. PMID: 34268277; PMCID: PMC8276934.

24: Shaw KE, Cavalcante JL, Han BK, Gössl M. Possible Association Between COVID-19 Vaccine and Myocarditis: Clinical and CMR Findings. JACC Cardiovasc Imaging. 2021 Sep;14(9):1856-1861. doi: 10.1016/j.jcmg.2021.06.002. Epub 2021 Jun 16. PMID: 34246586; PMCID: PMC8245050.

25: Al-Ahmad M, Al-Rasheed M, Shalaby NAB. Acquired thrombotic thrombocytopenic purpura with possible association with AstraZeneca-Oxford COVID-19 vaccine. EJHaem. 2021 May 18:10.1002/jha2.219. doi: 10.1002/jha2.219. Epub ahead of print. PMID: 34226899; PMCID: PMC8242544.

26: Deb A, Abdelmalek J, Iwuji K, Nugent K. Acute Myocardial Injury Following COVID-19 Vaccination: A Case Report and Review of Current Evidence from Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System Database. J Prim Care Community Health. 2021 Jan-Dec;12:21501327211029230. doi: 10.1177/21501327211029230. PMID: 34219532; PMCID: PMC8255555.

27: Lee E, Chew NW, Ng P, Yeo TJ. A spectrum of cardiac manifestations post Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccination. QJM. 2021 Jun 30:hcab177. doi: 10.1093/qjmed/hcab177. Epub ahead of print. PMID: 34191024.

28: Habib MB, Hamamyh T, Elyas A, Altermanini M, Elhassan M. Acute myocarditis following administration of BNT162b2 vaccine. IDCases. 2021 Jun 16;25:e01197. doi: 10.1016/j.idcr.2021.e01197. PMID: 34189042; PMCID: PMC8220234.

29: Kim HW, Jenista ER, Wendell DC, Azevedo CF, Campbell MJ, Darty SN, Parker MA, Kim RJ. Patients With Acute Myocarditis Following mRNA COVID-19 Vaccination. JAMA Cardiol. 2021 Jun 29:e212828. doi: 10.1001/jamacardio.2021.2828. Epub ahead of print. PMID: 34185046; PMCID: PMC8243258.
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