AtlantaGaAggie said:

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My mother is fully vaccinated but had a breakthrough case and she got so weak so quickly. After a couple of days home she went to the ER and after 3 days of being in the ER, she went on a ventilator. That was three days ago.

My biggest question is that I'm trying to understand from day to day what vitals to track. Talking to the Dr has been extremely hard but when I do talk to him I want to have all my questions ready. I'll also just take any general recommendations about anything since this is new to me and not something I have much experience with personally.

If anyone could help, I'll take it.

And if you have a second, my mom can use a prayer.

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AtlantaGaAggie said:

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My mother is fully vaccinated but had a breakthrough case and she got so weak so quickly. After a couple of days home she went to the ER and after 3 days of being in the ER, she went on a ventilator. That was three days ago.

My biggest question is that I'm trying to understand from day to day what vitals to track. Talking to the Dr has been extremely hard but when I do talk to him I want to have all my questions ready. I'll also just take any general recommendations about anything since this is new to me and not something I have much experience with personally.

If anyone could help, I'll take it.

And if you have a second, my mom can use a prayer.

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G. hirsutum Ag said:

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Very sad as we were absolutely assured that getting a vaccine would guarantee to keep us out of the hospital and dying. We will pray for her the family and staff. That said have they tried ivermectin or HCQ or both?

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GeographyAg said:

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G. hirsutum Ag said:

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Very sad as we were absolutely assured that getting a vaccine would guarantee to keep us out of the hospital and dying. We will pray for her the family and staff. That said have they tried ivermectin or HCQ or both?

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That's bunk, and it's not at all helpful to this guy.

.My mother and father are over 80 and they both are smart enough to know that the vaccine is NOT a force field around them and that it's not a guarantee that it will keep them out of the hospital.

On the other hand they're also smart enough to know that it was specifically designed to help fight this specific virus and is working really well in doing so overall.

My mother has lung issues. If she gets it she feels sure she will die. She got the vaccine ASAP.

It is the best chance she really has to survive this thing. Same for my dad.

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redcrayon said:

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GeographyAg said:

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G. hirsutum Ag said:

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Very sad as we were absolutely assured that getting a vaccine would guarantee to keep us out of the hospital and dying. We will pray for her the family and staff. That said have they tried ivermectin or HCQ or both?

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That's bunk, and it's not at all helpful to this guy.

.My mother and father are over 80 and they both are smart enough to know that the vaccine is NOT a force field around them and that it's not a guarantee that it will keep them out of the hospital.

On the other hand they're also smart enough to know that it was specifically designed to help fight this specific virus and is working really well in doing so overall.

My mother has lung issues. If she gets it she feels sure she will die. She got the vaccine ASAP.

It is the best chance she really has to survive this thing. Same for my dad.

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Please acknowledge that the narrative about vaccine effectiveness has changed since the vaccine first came out. If we would all just be honest, I think there would be more trust among people. We were told that it would prevent illness, then we were told it would prevent serious illness, then we were told it would prevent hospitalization and death. It just hasn't panned out like we'd hoped for many people, especially the elderly. It's okay to admit that. It's not worthless but it's not what we thought after the initial studies came out. Delta hasn't been kind to vaccine effectiveness. There is just no denying that.

And no, I'm not anti-vaxx. My family who didn't get COVID are all vaccinated.

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GeographyAg said:

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redcrayon said:

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GeographyAg said:

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G. hirsutum Ag said:

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Very sad as we were absolutely assured that getting a vaccine would guarantee to keep us out of the hospital and dying. We will pray for her the family and staff. That said have they tried ivermectin or HCQ or both?

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That's bunk, and it's not at all helpful to this guy.

.My mother and father are over 80 and they both are smart enough to know that the vaccine is NOT a force field around them and that it's not a guarantee that it will keep them out of the hospital.

On the other hand they're also smart enough to know that it was specifically designed to help fight this specific virus and is working really well in doing so overall.

My mother has lung issues. If she gets it she feels sure she will die. She got the vaccine ASAP.

It is the best chance she really has to survive this thing. Same for my dad.

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Please acknowledge that the narrative about vaccine effectiveness has changed since the vaccine first came out. If we would all just be honest, I think there would be more trust among people. We were told that it would prevent illness, then we were told it would prevent serious illness, then we were told it would prevent hospitalization and death. It just hasn't panned out like we'd hoped for many people, especially the elderly. It's okay to admit that. It's not worthless but it's not what we thought after the initial studies came out. Delta hasn't been kind to vaccine effectiveness. There is just no denying that.

And no, I'm not anti-vaxx. My family who didn't get COVID are all vaccinated.

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I don't watch much tv or pay attention to much media. I just know that vaccines don't work like magic. They aren't a force field. They can't keep the germs away. All they can do (no matter the vaccine) is help you fight the infection. My parents knew that, my husband and I knew that. I thought everybody who ever went to a science class knew that (but clearly I'm wrong).

Particularly with an airborne virus there's only a question of how well your body will be able to fight it when you're exposed.

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& was met with angry letters… He asked me to rebut them & it was like shooting fish in a barrel… see my replies on Capuzzo’s ‘stack here https://t.co/feAp8tribZ

— Pierre Kory, MD MPA (@PierreKory) September 5, 2021

bigtruckguy3500 said:

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Talk a lot of with the nurses. They typically only have 2 patients at a time in the ICU. While they are still very busy, they're not also managing 20+ other patients and potentially handling other issues elsewhere, consults etc. They should be able to give you objective data points, such as kidney function, how much ventilator support your mom is needed, etc. Generally speaking they're not supposed to give a diagnosis, or give predictions, but some of the older ones have seen a lot and have a lot of experience. They can help guide what you need to be asking the doctor.

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Marcus Aurelius said:

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Baricitinib (recent study showed 50% reduction in mortality on vent pts)
or
tociluzimab

zero evidence to support ivermectin and or plasma infusion in inpts. That has been abandoned.

dexamaethasone and remdisivir being used for inpts as well

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