Salute The Marines said:

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Nobody said the vaccine is perfect, it's not some big Gotcha. If I thought the vaccine was perfect, I wouldn't th ave issue being stuck in a small indoor space with someone who doesn't make the same choices I do.

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You are going to be exposed to a significant amount of people that are vaccinated and have a high viral load. There is also a significant chance you will contract covid by the end of the year. We need to accept these realities.

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This assumes that every vaccinated person is infected. The studies being posted in this thread say I'm 5x more likely to get infected if not vaccinated, so doesn't that mean that I'm statistically less likely to be exposed to the virus if the person I'm with is vaccinated?

You're just speaking in generalities, though. You are assuming the poster you're calling out is doing the same things you are. I agree with your point, but you can't invalidate someone else's opinion by using your choices as theirs.

Salute The Marines said:

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Kick-R said:

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Salute The Marines said:

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bay fan said:

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Nobody said the vaccine is perfect, it's not some big Gotcha. If I thought the vaccine was perfect, I wouldn't th ave issue being stuck in a small indoor space with someone who doesn't make the same choices I do.

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You are going to be exposed to a significant amount of people that are vaccinated and have a high viral load. There is also a significant chance you will contract covid by the end of the year. We need to accept these realities.

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This assumes that every vaccinated person is infected. The studies being posted in this thread say I'm 5x more likely to get infected if not vaccinated, so doesn't that mean that I'm statistically less likely to be exposed to the virus if the person I'm with is vaccinated?

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It does. But you around so many random people every day that you will be exposed, vaccinated or not. I'm vaccinated and very much pro vaccine. But I have no illusions that I'm well protected from infection. I am protected from severe illness and hospitalization and that's fine with me. I will get covid, it's just a matter of time. We all need to expect it and plan our lives accordingly.

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I disagree. I am 56 and literally all my friends are vaccinated. Perhaps your demographic will all get it but mine will not. I am missing nothing. I see the people I want to see whenever I choose. A big part of my life is not going to bars or out to eat. It never was and therefor is not effected by this. I don't plan to catch Covid. It could happen but I am not you and my life style isn't high risk.
I have already visited both my kids this summer and will be back in Texas in about three weeks to attend the Arky game with my daughter and might get it there but I will go so it's not like I am hiding under my bed like many like to portray. Oh and when I get home, I will see people outside for 10 days and we will all be totally fine with that. Good news for you is we will likely be hiking when we catch up so I lose any lbs I pick up in Texas.

Salute The Marines said:

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Kick-R said:

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Salute The Marines said:

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Nobody said the vaccine is perfect, it's not some big Gotcha. If I thought the vaccine was perfect, I wouldn't th ave issue being stuck in a small indoor space with someone who doesn't make the same choices I do.

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You are going to be exposed to a significant amount of people that are vaccinated and have a high viral load. There is also a significant chance you will contract covid by the end of the year. We need to accept these realities.

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This assumes that every vaccinated person is infected. The studies being posted in this thread say I'm 5x more likely to get infected if not vaccinated, so doesn't that mean that I'm statistically less likely to be exposed to the virus if the person I'm with is vaccinated?

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But I have no illusions that I'm well protected from infection. I am protected from severe illness and hospitalization and that's fine with me. I will get covid, it's just a matter of time. We all need to expect it and plan our lives accordingly.

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Strange and probably incorrect semantics hill to die on.

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You're just speaking in generalities, though. You are assuming the poster you're calling out is doing the same things you are. I agree with your point, but you can't invalidate someone else's opinion by using your choices as theirs.

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This. SaluteTheMarines sounds like an erratic and "always right" kind of person.

you're kind of a d head on here

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you're kind of a d head on here

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I get frustrated when people pretend you are equally likely to get Covid from a vaccinated person as an unvaccinated person. If one is able to grasp viral load, they are also well aware of the decreased chance of actually having the virus but they fact pick. You're right though, I don't need to be a jerk about it.

I trust you will police the other jerks too.

Maybe if you just put everyone on ignore you will have fewer problems here.

The reason for low risk people to get the vaccine is to protect others. Not only from infecting others directly but also to help keep hospital elective services available. Most large urban hospitals are shutting down elective services again due to being inundated with sick unvaccinated patients. This propagates unnecessary suffering for our fellow Americans. For example, I couldn't get a very sick cancer patient admitted this past week due to lack of beds.

IMO-it's a patriotic thing for us all to get the vaccine; protect our fellow Americans. It's safe. And it works.

Port of Hepatis said:

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The reason for low risk people to get the vaccine is to protect others. Not only from infecting others directly but also to help keep hospital elective services available. Most large urban hospitals are shutting down elective services again due to being inundated with sick unvaccinated patients. This propagates unnecessary suffering for our fellow Americans. For example, I couldn't get a very sick cancer patient admitted this past week due to lack of beds.

IMO-it's a patriotic thing for us all to get the vaccine; protect our fellow Americans. It's safe. And it works.

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I hope people take note of your doctor designation. Thanks for taking the time to weigh in.

will do

but you shouldn't need me to tell you not to be a d head

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Port of Hepatis said:

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The reason for low risk people to get the vaccine is to protect others. Not only from infecting others directly but also to help keep hospital elective services available. Most large urban hospitals are shutting down elective services again due to being inundated with sick unvaccinated patients. This propagates unnecessary suffering for our fellow Americans. For example, I couldn't get a very sick cancer patient admitted this past week due to lack of beds.

IMO-it's a patriotic thing for us all to get the vaccine; protect our fellow Americans. It's safe. And it works.

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If one is low risk they likely aren't filling hospitals up. Vaccinated individuals are spreading the disease likely even more as many as asymptomatic.

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Much like most of your posts, this is pure conjecture.

When I see someone who seems to be posting a lot on a certain subject I'll sometimes take a quick peek at their posting history. At glance you have a 3 or 4 posts not about COVID in your last 150 or so posts over the last 10 days. Just, wow.

Except that the Pfizer vaccine isn't under EUA anymore.

It's literally two clicks. But sure.

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Just talked my next door neighbor who is a flight nurse this morning. They dropped off a patient in Austin yesterday (knife wounds) at Dell Medical/Brack downtown.

He walked through the ICU overnight and was shocked at the number of 40/50 year old folks he saw proned and on vents. Said the increase in number of patients in that age group that they are transporting has increased drastically and a sizeable number of them are normal/healthy folk. Common Theme: they aren't vaxxed.

His take like so many others is: 1) at risk folks are more likely to be vaxxed 2) This thing spreads like the chicken pox.

He's had COVID (Asymptomatic) and has the Moderna Vaccine and at some point will booster (he's exposed in a helicopter on the regular to patients they pare picking up in rural locations and flying to whatever bed they can find).

He said it was hard not to take a picture and if normal folks saw what he saw it would change perception of who is being hurt by this latest spike.


Also comorbidities are factored into costs already and you can lower your own costs in every insurance plan I've ever been a part of by taking part in healthy living activities. I'm saving a ton on my insurance this year, and lowering my life insurance premiums by taking part actively this year.

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I think a lot of people are not realizing that this thing is doing a lot of damage to plenty of people that don't consider themselves to be high risk.

My nephew's gf's mom just passed away from Covid. She was in her late 40s and unvaccinated. She probably thought she was not high risk so she didn't feel the need to get the shot.

I think anyone that doesn't already have antibodies that is over 40 or overweight or has any of the known conditions that increase risk should get the shot. Anyone that is an adult and doesn't have any of those issues should at least weigh the risks and benefits and consider it.

SoupNazi2001 said:

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Port of Hepatis said:

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The reason for low risk people to get the vaccine is to protect others. Not only from infecting others directly but also to help keep hospital elective services available. Most large urban hospitals are shutting down elective services again due to being inundated with sick unvaccinated patients. This propagates unnecessary suffering for our fellow Americans. For example, I couldn't get a very sick cancer patient admitted this past week due to lack of beds.

IMO-it's a patriotic thing for us all to get the vaccine; protect our fellow Americans. It's safe. And it works.

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If one is low risk they likely aren't filling hospitals up. Vaccinated individuals are spreading the disease likely even more as many as asymptomatic.

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They might not be getting admitted at the same rate as older, higher risk, individuals, but they are still inundating emergency rooms because when reality hits that they're sick and likely have COVID they start panicking and suddenly demand the healthcare system that they don't trust do something to help them. And the worst part is that they go to the ER and sit there coughing in the waiting room, spreading it to all the other people that are there.

That being said, people are very bad at estimating and understanding their risk for various issues (be it medical, financial, business, etc). We've seen multiple people on this board and in the news that thought they were low risk end up hospitalized, right?

Also, the vaccianted may be more clinically asymptomatic, but they're also getting over the disease much quicker than the unvaccinated (who may also be asymptomatic).

I don't understand why we're trying so hard to validate high risk behavior.

Are you going to check the vaccination status of the people sitting around you at the Arky game? I would hate for a fellow fan to be unclean like your coworker.