CEO email made it fairly clear that a vaccine mandate is likely coming for our company.

Spouse was vaccinated several months ago, and other than feels lousy for a bit, had no issues.

Looking at current statistics for my age group:
- Likelihood of hospitalization from COVID per CDC is currently 7 in 100,000 (no need to be hospitalized is 99.93%....right?)
- <8000 deaths for individuals 30-39 years of age
- Just as likely to die of pneumonia (solely) as Covid per CDC numbers for age group
- Twice as likely to die as female in age group though

Universal US Comorbidities in Hospitalization
- 60% Hypertension
- 50% Obese
- 43% Metabolic Disease
- 36% Cadiovascular Disease

Pfizer study stats for test groups:
- .06% severe adverse reaction ID'd by FDA

Considering my age group, and lack of comorbidities, it would appear my likelihood of needing hospitalization or death from covid is equal to and less than my risk of a serious adverse reaction to the vaccine.

Why should I risk it other than to protect others?

Why isn't my employer mandating diet and exercise requirements based upon dominant comorbidities?

Trying to educate myself and address my concerns.

Your options are to get a new job or get the vax. That's it.

J&J. One shot and done.

Doesn't matter which one you get, it won't keep you from getting it or spreading it. It will reduce the chances of a bad case, it still happens regularly.

I have been against mandates this entire time, but having actually caught COVID pneumonia myself, if I could go back in time and be vaccinated instead, I see absolutely ZERO reason to not be vaccinated. That's just my opinion.

You aren't looking hard enough.

https://www.vaccines.gov/results/?zipcode=78006&medications=784db609-dc1f-45a5-bad6-8db02e79d44f&radius=25&appointments=true

When considering any data, it's becoming increasingly important to consider specifically delta as opposed to the whole pandemic. Delta is more infectious and some recent studies are estimating that it is more likely to cause hospitalization in younger populations than the original strain that was prevalent for most of last year and part of this year.

You should still do your research and make the best decision for you, and I am not for mandates, but delta is causing some real problems for otherwise healthy people.

I felt exactly the same as you but I am 64, with no co-morbidities and in healthcare and still was facing the mandate. Got the J&J with no side effects. You cannot resolve this with reason or science, because it has always been political and never about logic, reason or science. Good luck.

Rex Racer said:

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I have been against mandates this entire time, but having actually caught COVID pneumonia myself, if I could go back in time and be vaccinated instead, I see absolutely ZERO reason to not be vaccinated. That's just my opinion.

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X2 here. Wish I would have gotten it already instead of this pneumonia.

AggieKatie2 said:

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CEO email made it fairly clear that a vaccine mandate is likely coming for our company.

Spouse was vaccinated several months ago, and other than feels lousy for a bit, had no issues.

Looking at current statistics for my age group:
- Likelihood of hospitalization from COVID per CDC is currently 7 in 100,000 (no need to be hospitalized is 99.93%....right?)
- <8000 deaths for individuals 30-39 years of age
- Just as likely to die of pneumonia (solely) as Covid per CDC numbers for age group
- Twice as likely to die as female in age group though

Universal US Comorbidities in Hospitalization
- 60% Hypertension
- 50% Obese
- 43% Metabolic Disease
- 36% Cadiovascular Disease

Pfizer study stats for test groups:
- .06% severe adverse reaction ID'd by FDA

Considering my age group, and lack of comorbidities, it would appear my likelihood of needing hospitalization or death from covid is equal to and less than my risk of a serious adverse reaction to the vaccine.

Why should I risk it other than to protect others?

Why isn't my employer mandating diet and exercise requirements based upon dominant comorbidities?

Trying to educate myself and address my concerns.

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You might want to confirm what this means - I'm not saying I absolutely know either, but my fear is you might be interpreting it wrong:

- Likelihood of hospitalization from COVID per CDC is currently 7 in 100,000 (no need to be hospitalized is 99.93%....right?)

I think that means % CURRENTLY hospitalized out of ENTIRE population, so it is not a percent likelihood of hospitalization. I just did a quick check, and again could be looking at something wrong, but it looks like WEEKLY rate of hospitalization/100k of 30-39 year olds is 6.9. I think you might be more interested in the CUMULATIVE rate of hospitalization for 30-39 year olds, which is 388 per 100K, not 7. But that number includes everyone who has never had a positive COVID test, you might be even more interested in knowing hospitalization rates for those who have a proven case of COVID - I couldn't find that quickly but numbers I've heard anecdotally in the past are surprisingly high, even for 30-39 year old - like approaching 10% I want to say? So perhaps you've already had COVID, or feel like you will never catch it, I don't know. But if you do catch it, the risk is much worse than the rate of adverse vaccine reaction.

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Rex Racer said:

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I have been against mandates this entire time, but having actually caught COVID pneumonia myself, if I could go back in time and be vaccinated instead, I see absolutely ZERO reason to not be vaccinated. That's just my opinion.

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X2 here. Wish I would have gotten it already instead of this pneumonia.

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Thank you for owning that. I've been praying for you and hope you get better soon.

Get the vax, it is no big deal, you will look back in a few years and think why did I not get it earlier.

This thing has been tested and tested and tested. There are millions who have taken it already with a very small percentage of side effects. You are young and healthy and the odds are even better that you will only have a little soreness and maybe be tired for a day from the vax.

Granted it is my opinion and that is all.

Salute The Marines said:

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Your options are to get a new job or get the vax. That's it.

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And that is complete BS.

La migra52 said:

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Salute The Marines said:

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Your options are to get a new job or get the vax. That's it.

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And that is complete BS.

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Is it? An employer should have free reign to decide how they want their workplace and assets (including manpower resources) protected.

Thank you for the prayers Charpie.

Salute The Marines said:

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La migra52 said:

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Salute The Marines said:

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Your options are to get a new job or get the vax. That's it.

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And that is complete BS.

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Is it? An employer should have free reign to decide how they want their workplace and assets (including manpower resources) protected.

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Considering all the facts and circumstances, yes it is. However, it seems people with less common sense cannot understand that.

General Omar said:

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You cannot resolve this with reason or science, because it has always been political and never about logic, reason or science. Good luck.

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But you can reason this out. The vaccine is much safer than the virus. It saves lives. The vaccine does offer some protection against contracting the virus and spreading the virus. If you contract it, it offers a shorter infection time with less symptoms. The vaccines offer huge protections against hospitalization and death.

How is any of that political? This is actual science.

Just talked my next door neighbor who is a flight nurse this morning. They dropped off a patient in Austin yesterday (knife wounds) at Dell Medical/Brack downtown.

He walked through the ICU overnight and was shocked at the number of 40/50 year old folks he saw proned and on vents. Said the increase in number of patients in that age group that they are transporting has increased drastically and a sizeable number of them are normal/healthy folk. Common Theme: they aren't vaxxed.

His take like so many others is: 1) at risk folks are more likely to be vaxxed 2) This thing spreads like the chicken pox.

He's had COVID (Asymptomatic) and has the Moderna Vaccine and at some point will booster (he's exposed in a helicopter on the regular to patients they pare picking up in rural locations and flying to whatever bed they can find).

He said it was hard not to take a picture and if normal folks saw what he saw it would change perception of who is being hurt by this latest spike.


Also comorbidities are factored into costs already and you can lower your own costs in every insurance plan I've ever been a part of by taking part in healthy living activities. I'm saving a ton on my insurance this year, and lowering my life insurance premiums by taking part actively this year.

AggieKatie2 said:

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Pfizer study stats for test groups:
- .06% severe adverse reaction ID'd by FDA

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"Serious adverse events were defined as any untoward medical occurrence that resulted in death, was life-threatening, required inpatient hospitalization or prolongation of existing hospitalization, or resulted in persistent disability/incapacity. The proportions of participants who reported at least 1 serious adverse event were 0.6% in the vaccine group and 0.5% in the placebo group.

Data source: FDA briefing document[url=https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download][/url] "

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/pfizer/reactogenicity.html#18-serious-adverse-events

Take the vaccine: protect yourself + help protect others + keep your job = 0.6% risk of an adverse event

Don't take the vaccine: don't protect yourself + don't help protect others + don't keep your job = 0.5% risk of an adverse event

Pretty sure your chances of being hospitalized number is inaccurate.

This is also a different strain.


I am against mandates, but I see no logical reason to refuse the vaccine for most people.

By the way one of my best friends from high school and college died of Covid yesterday. He was 46. No idea if he had compromised immune system or anything. Hadn't seen him in years but he was an active guy and a good Aggie. Class if 98

What does that have to do with the op?

AggieKatie2 said:

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Appreciating the responses.

I'll double check the stats on hospitalization, but you would think cumulative wouldn't be the best metric because eventually on a long enough time frame it can be 100+%.

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no, if you set the timeframe to infinity you would expect the cumulative hospitalization rate of the whole population to approach the hospitalization rate of those who get the virus as those two denominators start to approach being equal. for 30-39 that is currently sitting around 3% of people who get covid end up in the hospital. so even if 100% of people got covid, the population level hospital rate shouldn't really exceed that 3%.

as for which to use, you do want to use cumulative though because you are comparing the relative risk of two decisions. for the vaccine, it is a one time risk. for the other risk, it is a cumulative risk the extends out into the future at least as far out as the vaccine offers protection. if you assume the vaccine offers protection for only one year, then your risk of hospitalization in a 1 year period, using the trailing 52 weeks is 281/100k or 4.7x more likely than a "severe" adverse reaction from the shot. the longer the time period that protection is offered, the greater that disparity gets. now the other variable is also how far into the future will covid continue to exist and be a threat. and unfortunately that is impossible to know, which is why i'm opting to use trailing risk for this example.

SoupNazi2001 said:

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So for all here supportive of vaccine mandates will you be supportive of getting a booster every 5-6 months because that is where we are headed.

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I'm not supportive of general mandates, but understand why some companies might institute them. I'm 100% supportive of the vaccine and educating people. I also personally don't plan on getting a booster until there's more compelling data on the boosters or a reformulated shot.

Not really what's being discussed here though.

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Charpie said:

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What does that have to do with the op?

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What does it have to do with it? Many think they are going to get one shot and be done with a mandate. It's not looking like that. Israel who we are following their lead on many things is not considering people fully vaccinated who do not get the booster.

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No vaccine schedule has said we would need boosters every 6 months.