Agsrback12 said:I am getting vaccinated. Shot # 2 of moderna next month. (Thanks KidDoc)mernaggie12 said:
Hard to know what kind of physical specimen a 3 year old will make.
Surge of the young
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I don't want to argue with you, but as someone who IS overweight, I can tell you that not a day goes by that I don't hear from a commercial, doctor, TV show, advertisement, or someone I know, pushing me to lose weight and exercise more. It's CONSTANT. My doctors encourage diet and exercise at every visit.Agsrback12 said:mernaggie12 said:
Hard to know what kind of physical specimen a 3 year old will make.
I apologize. I thought this was in reference to the 40s and 50s currently hospitalized. I am wondering about the following:
1. Obesity?
2. Diabetes?
3. Anxiety ?
I am getting vaccinated. Shot # 2 of moderna next month. (Thanks KidDoc)
I'm just genuinely curious about the new hospitalizations. The media is leaving out a lot of context for those of us who like to know the entire story of what is going on.
I hope after this pandemic is over, we try to prevent heart disease and scrutinize those who do not want to take care of themselves physically the same we we do those who do not want to vaccinate.
I'm currently on a fasting regimen, and trying to up my exercise, but I honestly don't know what more the world could do to "scrutinize" me any more. I get it. I know. I'm trying. But it takes a LOT longer to lose weight (and a lot more self control on a longer basis) than it does to go get a shot.
The vaccine took me less than an hour out of my life twice. Dieting and struggle to exercise enough has been my constant companion for almost 20 years now. Particularly after I had knee surgery, back surgery, and shoulder surgery.
If I could take a vaccine to lose weight I'd do it in a heartbeat.
If I’m posting, it’s actually Mrs GeographyAg.
Mr. GeographyAg is a dedicated lurker.
Mr. GeographyAg is a dedicated lurker.
It is not necessarily obesity as much as it is eating poorly and not exercising. B
I know it's hard (especially in our culture) but not just good on you but great on you for putting in effort to better yourself. I know it's not easy but nothing worth doing is.
Not at all looking for an argument. More of an interest to see what happens in that regard. Because we do have control over it was my point similar to vaccines.
Didn't mean to derail.
I know it's hard (especially in our culture) but not just good on you but great on you for putting in effort to better yourself. I know it's not easy but nothing worth doing is.
Not at all looking for an argument. More of an interest to see what happens in that regard. Because we do have control over it was my point similar to vaccines.
Didn't mean to derail.
46 Admissions with COVID (Average Age: 10.1 years, Median Age: 12.5 years, Range Age: 10 days to 17 years)
17 PICU Admission with COVID
1 NICU Admission with COVID
7 Intubated Patients with COVID (Average Age: 14.1 years, Range Age: 9 days to 17 years) - If you exclude the infant with COVID, Average Age is 16.5 years. Patients have been intubated for 3 to 25 days.
The 18 ICU level admissions are considered to have respiratory failure but are being managed with high flow nasal cannula.
17 PICU Admission with COVID
1 NICU Admission with COVID
7 Intubated Patients with COVID (Average Age: 14.1 years, Range Age: 9 days to 17 years) - If you exclude the infant with COVID, Average Age is 16.5 years. Patients have been intubated for 3 to 25 days.
The 18 ICU level admissions are considered to have respiratory failure but are being managed with high flow nasal cannula.
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The CDC website lists the clinical trial sites. You can register your child and enroll them in the study.
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the Pfizer study is still accepting enrollees?
wow I had no idea
back in the adult study you pretty much had to know someone to get in
wow I had no idea
back in the adult study you pretty much had to know someone to get in
Sorry, I didn't realize we were talking about adults. I do not know the information on adults as I care for children. But, I did have a mother (37yo - no obesity or past medical history) and teenage daughter check into the ED with COVID pneumonia. Both required oxygen and were admitted (mother transferred to adult facility).
I would argue that medical providers every day are advocating for healthy lifestyles. This has not stopped with COVID.
I would argue that medical providers every day are advocating for healthy lifestyles. This has not stopped with COVID.
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I am not sure if they are still enrolling. Moderna and Pfizer were both asked to increase study size towards the end of July.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/26/us/politics/fda-covid-vaccine-trials-children.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/26/us/politics/fda-covid-vaccine-trials-children.html
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Appreciate the info, hopefully they're recovering.
As mentioned by someone earlier the info beingsde public is pretty vague. I think last week the DFW Hospital council reported 76 pediatric hospitalizations, but don't give ages. I think it will be crucial to get that info out for parents to vaccinate their kids. Just my two cents.
As mentioned by someone earlier the info beingsde public is pretty vague. I think last week the DFW Hospital council reported 76 pediatric hospitalizations, but don't give ages. I think it will be crucial to get that info out for parents to vaccinate their kids. Just my two cents.
Information might be vague, but 76 pediatric hospitalizations means that 76 children less than 18 years old are in the hospital for COVID. The majority of patients are teenagers who are in the age bracket to be vaccinated.
The mother/daughter patients I talked about earlier - the mother received her first vaccine a week before presentation and the daughter was getting her first vaccine the day after presentation. Minutes, Hours, Days, Weeks count.
Get vaccinated.
The mother/daughter patients I talked about earlier - the mother received her first vaccine a week before presentation and the daughter was getting her first vaccine the day after presentation. Minutes, Hours, Days, Weeks count.
Get vaccinated.
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total of 10k kids in the moderna study
don't understand how/when they are going to conclude the study with any statistically significant end point
they can certainly show safety
don't understand how/when they are going to conclude the study with any statistically significant end point
they can certainly show safety
My entire family who is eligible is vaccinated, I'm talking about kids who are too young. It still seems under 12 is not having issues with covid, hopefully that remains the case.
Obviously there are outliers, 76 out of a couple million is pretty low. I'm sure we'll sign up for the shot once our pediatrician recommends it.
Obviously there are outliers, 76 out of a couple million is pretty low. I'm sure we'll sign up for the shot once our pediatrician recommends it.
And I wonder what treatments he received as without effective remedies like hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin because these big hospitals are stymying use because of liability.traxter said:Ridiculous. We cry about our dead warfighters when they die overseas, but if only 10 or 20% of the people that cared so much about their right to freedom to decline the "experimental vaccine" decided to get it, this guy would probably still be alive. We don't live in a vacuum. Our choices have effects on other people. The deathrate of the virus isn't the only factor to consider - not only can it cause lasting effects on the individual that gets sick, but it can obviously cause hospitals to fill up and be unable to take easily treatable patients.Captain Positivity said:cc_ag92 said:
Served two tours in Afghanistan, then died in Texas because he couldn't get treated
It's truly heartbreaking. How have we come to this?
Social media and government messaging. A bunch of ignorant people posting nonsense about vaccines, and people believing them. If the vaccine acceptance rate among people 20 to 50 was just a few points higher that guy likely lives.
What are we right now, 18 months in to the pandemic in the United States? I can only remember a handful of times any public health official spoke about obesity and the virus. So many young fat people think they are healthy.
Also majorly concerned about the future of healthcare in the hardest hit areas. So many nurses are leaving the profession. A lot of the young nurses especially, they don't have a good background about what normal is. The massive amounts of money being made right now is going to put a strain on the future ability to hire people full time because pay demand is going to be through the roof. And this is at a time where we were already struggling to fill open nursing positions due to a national shortage.
Nurses and doctors aren't slaves. Yeah, they're getting paid well, but we're already seeing them leave for less stressful jobs.
This is in the United States of America. I think too many people just assume American exceptionalism and our money will allow us to just magically find or buy our way out of whatever problem we have. Why get a free "experimental vaccine" when you can spend 40,000 on a hospital stay for a more experimental antibody therapy. Why are about the health and wellbeing of nurses and doctors when you can just pay more in insurance premiums down the line to cover the increased pay they'll demand to stay in the profession in the future? Or maybe we'll just do what we did in the past and bring in thousands of immigrant nurses and doctors from Africa and India to help cover the shortage.
Seriously, what have we come to as a society and a country.
It's effective in most other parts of the world, but we're so vaccine focused, we deny effective therapeutics due to pride and potential liability.
Gig'Em and God Bless,
JB'91
JB'91
Fair to assume DFW or Houston hospital with those numbers?
No one is suppress research. There is just no research showing that ivermectin improves clinical outcomes.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34318930/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34318930/
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Thank you for all you are doing. I am sure it is terrible to deal with suffering kids and their terrified, suffering families to an even greater extent then usual.mernaggie12 said:
46 Admissions with COVID (Average Age: 10.1 years, Median Age: 12.5 years, Range Age: 10 days to 17 years)
17 PICU Admission with COVID
1 NICU Admission with COVID
7 Intubated Patients with COVID (Average Age: 14.1 years, Range Age: 9 days to 17 years) - If you exclude the infant with COVID, Average Age is 16.5 years. Patients have been intubated for 3 to 25 days.
The 18 ICU level admissions are considered to have respiratory failure but are being managed with high flow nasal cannula.
People, that's ONE hospital. Can we stop with the kids are fine load? They are only fine until it's yours and all 46 mentioned belong to someone.
There were 30-50000 participants in the Modern and Pfizer studies for adults and people are still arguing that there were not enough.
I am hopeful for some results from these studies in the next couple of months.
I am hopeful for some results from these studies in the next couple of months.
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Yes.
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10-4. Godspeed in your efforts, doc. And thank you.
yes you'd think you need many more children enrolled than adults that were in Phase 3
that's why I don't understand how they're going to describe the study end date
that's why I don't understand how they're going to describe the study end date
The spike in younger patients in the hospital is just basic statistics. The delta variant is disproportionately causing symptomatic disease in the unvaccinated and those without prior infection, and that population HEAVILY skews towards younger demographics. If you have a lot more young people sick, you will have more young people in the hospital even if the percentages with severe disease haven't changed much (or even if they have decreased).
I'm seeing the same thing but I've seen nothing to suggest delta is more dangerous for the young on a case by case basis.
I'm seeing the same thing but I've seen nothing to suggest delta is more dangerous for the young on a case by case basis.
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cone said:
the Pfizer study is still accepting enrollees?
wow I had no idea
back in the adult study you pretty much had to know someone to get in
Our doctors office happened to be administering one of the Moderna phase 3 trials.
I am over 11 months out from my 2nd shot. Past ready for the booster.
yeah if you haven't gotten sick you might want to get on that
cone said:
yeah if you haven't gotten sick you might want to get on that
They will start September 20th at the latest.
I know some people that got Moderna boosters last week fwiw
50 is young?? **** me. 33,298 45-54 years olds have passed from covid since the beginning of the pandemic. 276,726 people from the same age range and time period have passed from all other causes. What is the real issue here?
https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-by-Sex-and-Age/9bhg-hcku
https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-by-Sex-and-Age/9bhg-hcku
cone said:
I know some people that got Moderna boosters last week fwiw
Yeah my 81 year old father got his Friday.
Younger healthy people will probably have to wait I think.
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50 is young
Medically speaking yes
Your annual risk of hospitalization really starts taking off in your early 60s.
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bay fan said:Thank you for all you are doing. I am sure it is terrible to deal with suffering kids and their terrified, suffering families to an even greater extent then usual.mernaggie12 said:
46 Admissions with COVID (Average Age: 10.1 years, Median Age: 12.5 years, Range Age: 10 days to 17 years)
17 PICU Admission with COVID
1 NICU Admission with COVID
7 Intubated Patients with COVID (Average Age: 14.1 years, Range Age: 9 days to 17 years) - If you exclude the infant with COVID, Average Age is 16.5 years. Patients have been intubated for 3 to 25 days.
The 18 ICU level admissions are considered to have respiratory failure but are being managed with high flow nasal cannula.
People, that's ONE hospital. Can we stop with the kids are fine load? They are only fine until it's yours and all 46 mentioned belong to someone.
See infectionags post. The numbers still show that covid is statistically harmless to children. We need to focus on the numbers here and not anecdotes.
Yes, I understand that statistically speaking COVID is not an issue for children; however, I don't know of 1 parent who sees their child their child as a number.
I provided this information to show that COVID is a burden on children as well, as their are utilizing the already limited hospital capacity which in turn affects all children.
I provided this information to show that COVID is a burden on children as well, as their are utilizing the already limited hospital capacity which in turn affects all children.
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mernaggie12 said:
Yes, I understand that statistically speaking COVID is not an issue for children; however, I don't know of 1 parent who sees their child their child as a number.
I provided this information to show that COVID is a burden on children as well, as their are utilizing the already limited hospital capacity which in turn affects all children.
I get that and your post is valuable. However some people, want to extrapolate that to make blanket statements that the numbers do not support.
If this is case, and of course its hindsight, would it have been more beneficial to expose the young to coronavirus in the earlier stages of the virus?Infection_Ag11 said:
The spike in younger patients in the hospital is just basic statistics. The delta variant is disproportionately causing symptomatic disease in the unvaccinated and those without prior infection, and that population HEAVILY skews towards younger demographics. If you have a lot more young people sick, you will have more young people in the hospital even if the percentages with severe disease haven't changed much (or even if they have decreased).
I'm seeing the same thing but I've seen nothing to suggest delta is more dangerous for the young on a case by case basis.
PJYoung said:cone said:
I know some people that got Moderna boosters last week fwiw
Yeah my 81 year old father got his Friday.
Younger healthy people will probably have to wait I think.
Two friends (mid-30's) in the medical field got their 3rd last week. CVS and others have more supply than demand so the question becomes who is it really harming to just get it now - personal ethics question more than anything. As of 9/20 seems like the spring time supply/demand issue could flare back up.
TheMasterplan said:If this is case, and of course its hindsight, would it have been more beneficial to expose the young to coronavirus in the earlier stages of the virus?Infection_Ag11 said:
The spike in younger patients in the hospital is just basic statistics. The delta variant is disproportionately causing symptomatic disease in the unvaccinated and those without prior infection, and that population HEAVILY skews towards younger demographics. If you have a lot more young people sick, you will have more young people in the hospital even if the percentages with severe disease haven't changed much (or even if they have decreased).
I'm seeing the same thing but I've seen nothing to suggest delta is more dangerous for the young on a case by case basis.
No, given they just have gotten sick earlier. Again this is a matter of percentages in a population level but it has little to do with the severity of disease in any individual. If any one person gets seriously ill with delta, they likely would have gotten seriously ill regardless of when they contracted the virus.
The only way to prevent this would have been for more young people to be vaccinated earlier in the year.
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